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trousers

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1 minute ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

If the players know he is leaving in May maybe they won't put in the graft needed for high pressing heavy metal footballTM

Knowing that he has 1.5 years with a 2 year option means they can just phone it in for the rest of the season.

Fair point 👍

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Just did a check on his assistants and saw that he had a Senior fitness assistant plus 3 other fitness assistants at Torino. Things at Staplewood are seemingly going to ramp up 🙂

Italian Matteo Paro seems to follow him around as his assistant.

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1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

A.I's summary of his coaching philosphy:

Ivan Jurić, known for his tactical acumen, has a distinctive style of management that has been demonstrated across his tenures at various clubs like Hellas Verona, Torino, and briefly at Roma. Here's a breakdown of his tactics based on available information:

Formation and Setup:

3-4-2-1 Formation: This is the most commonly associated formation with Jurić, although he has been known to adapt to a 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 depending on the team's needs and the opposition. The 3-4-2-1 allows for a strong defensive base with three central defenders, wing-backs who provide width, and two attacking midfielders supporting a lone striker.

Defensive Tactics:

High Pressing: Jurić's teams are known for applying intense pressure high up the pitch, aiming to win back the ball in the opponent's half. This high press is not just about chasing the ball but involves a coordinated effort to close down opponents and force errors.

Man-Marking: Instead of zonal marking, Jurić often opts for man-marking, where each player is responsible for marking an opponent player rather than a specific area. This approach can lead to a very aggressive and personal duel-oriented defense.

Compact Defensive Block: When not pressing, his teams tend to form a compact defensive shape that limits space in central areas, pushing opponents wide where they are less likely to create high-quality chances.

Attacking Tactics:

Vertical Transitions: Jurić's teams aim for quick transitions from defense to attack, utilizing the flanks with wing-backs pushing forward to deliver crosses into the box. This was particularly noted with Torino where full-backs averaged around five crosses per game.

Crosses and Set Pieces: The use of wing-backs for crosses is a significant part of his attacking strategy, especially to target tall strikers or players good in the air.

Aggressive and Vertical Play: The style is characterized by direct, vertical attacks rather than prolonged possession play, aiming to catch the opposition off guard with rapid movements from defense to attack.

Player Roles and Adaptability:

Wing-Backs: They are crucial in his system, often expected to contribute both defensively and offensively, providing width and delivering crosses.

Midfielders: Typically, Jurić uses a double pivot in midfield to offer balance, allowing the attacking midfielders to focus on creativity and support for the striker.

Striker: Often a tall, physical presence who can hold up play and be a target for crosses.

Challenges and Implementation:

Tactical Complexity: , which can be challenging to implement without a pre-season to drill the system into the team.

Player Fit: The success of his tactics heavily depends on having the right players who fit his system, particularly those who can adapt to the high intensity and specific roles within his formations.

Jurić's tactics reflect a blend of his experiences, notably influenced by his mentor Gian Piero Gasperini, but with his unique twists, especially in how he uses wing-backs and emphasizes man-marking. However, his short stint at Roma highlighted potential challenges in adapting his highly tactical style to a new squad mid-season.

I was fine with this until I got to the end where it says -  Jurić's style requires players to be tactically astute and disciplined !! 

Good luck with that mate. Still seems Tall Paul might get some more game time. A target for crosses eh? Who knew? 🤷‍♂️ 

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2 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Heavy metal football is preferable to the Coldplay we've been watching this season.

 

Anyone know if he speaks English?

Hopefully he will get this Motley Crue going and we Motor(a)head picking up many more points.

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Football Special

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7 minutes ago, saintant said:

Just did a check on his assistants and saw that he had a Senior fitness assistant plus 3 other fitness assistants at Torino. Things at Staplewood are seemingly going to ramp up 🙂

Italian Matteo Paro seems to follow him around as his assistant.

It's much much needed...but unfortunately takes time to build up the levels needed , makes a start at least, they're well out of shape compared to other sides. 

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7 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Ivan Juric to Southampton: Former Roma boss agrees deal to replace Russell Martin as head coach | Football News | Sky Sports

So this is complicated: 18 month contract, but with a break clause to be reviewed in the summer and if we stay up an automatic 2 year extension? So upon relegation we would be free to pay no compensation and make a new appointment, but the option would remain to continue together.

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26 minutes ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

"Juric, for what it’s worth, makes Conte look shy and retiring"

"Juric can come across as unreasonably demanding for someone who has never won anything. Yet he’s one of the best coaches in Italy"

Appolgies for The Pathetic link* but it does explain a bit more about him as a person: Clearly very passionate (like Ralph?) and gets pissed off when his best players are sold and not replaced.

That's great especially the video clip of the row (wish I could understand Italian) and I hope SR know what they are getting into with this guy because he certainly will not be a shrinking violet. Interesting six months coming up and, because of the position we're in, I guess we have little to lose and much to gain. Let's see which way it goes.

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1 minute ago, goodymatt said:

So this is complicated: 18 month contract, but with a break clause to be reviewed in the summer and if we stay up an automatic 2 year extension? So upon relegation we would be free to pay no compensation and make a new appointment, but the option would remain to continue together.

Ideal! 

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14 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

What difference do you think the one extra word makes? Lots of teams have DoFs but they don't all use the exact same job title wording.

DoF - covers player recruitment, transfers, contract negotiations, scouting and may influence playing style. All to ensure long term strategy align with club philosophy and goals. 
 

DofO - covers logistics, compliance with league regulations, overseeing support staff. All to ensure smooth running of club day to day operations and support football department. 
 

Hope that helps. 

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Didn't Martin pronounce that the club was committed to a possession based system regardless of who was manager?  Seem to recall him saying something along those lines.  Anyway, seems like he was wrong about that too.

Hopefully this fella is clever enough to realise he won't be able to implement massive changes overnight and it'll be more about getting the best out of what he's got to work with.  TBH I've had enough of philosophies and just want someone who will be a bit pragmatic and not a slave to ideology.

Anyway, good luck to the fella.  I'm doubtful he'll be able to keep us up but then I'm doubtful anyone could keep us up so no slight on him.  The six months is a good thing too.

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37 minutes ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

"Juric, for what it’s worth, makes Conte look shy and retiring"

"Juric can come across as unreasonably demanding for someone who has never won anything. Yet he’s one of the best coaches in Italy"

Appolgies for The Pathetic link* but it does explain a bit more about him as a person: Clearly very passionate (like Ralph?) and gets pissed off when his best players are sold and not replaced.

Into heavy metal music, starts fist fights with board members and happy to have a pop at the players, fans and media.

No idea what he's like as a manager but at least he'll be a laugh as a character.

To be honest whoever we get we're going down, so long as he doesn't play god awful sideways and backwards football i'm happy enough to give the fella a chance.

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Just now, Saint1963 said:

To quote my Torino friend 

you’ve gotta good guy well done 

 

3 minutes ago, the wedge said:

To quote my Roma supporting friend:

‘I’m so, so sorry.’

We're way more comparable with Torino than we are Roma. 

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I wonder how he'll do if he likes a target man and our only two are Stewart who has a default state of being injured, and Onuachu who may have already decided he's leaving in January. I guess we could buy one but Sport Republic may not be interested in spending in January.

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

I think if that were true we wouldn't have appointed him so quickly. I am not thrilled by this appointment but he clearly wasn't our only option. 

Fair enough,  I really don't know so happy to be more optimistic.

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Manager called Ivan, gulags round the ground, a red wall and flags that say Red Army.

What’s the odds any director of football has the nickname uncle Joe?

Maybe we should re-purpose the Red Flag for games?

Oh Ivan’s flag is deepest red
Soaked in the blood of influencer's dead

Football Martins flying high
We strung him up and watched him die

While Saint Rob shakes and hides in fear
We’ll keep football Martin hanging here!

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4 hours ago, Galway saint said:

I’m expecting the new manager to be :

1. currently out of work;

2. someone we’ve never heard of;

3.has had at least one disastrous prior managerial appointment;

4. someone who has never won anything as a coach; and

5 prepared to toe the line with the current board and not seek to stamp his own identity on the club

and will leave in no more than 18 months. 

 

 

You sure you're not ITK?!?!

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2 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

If this new manager is only given a 6 month contract it says to me neither side is particularly confident in the other and we will therefore probably be in for another summer of upheaval and looking for a new manager.

I think it's actually a very sensible move. If he works out, great, we extend. If it doesn't, thanks very much and we can start afresh in the summer. Win/Win

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2 minutes ago, Viking Saint said:

I think it's actually a very sensible move. If he works out, great, we extend. If it doesn't, thanks very much and we can start afresh in the summer. Win/Win

Tend to agree with this. If he does well great, if not we can bring in a new guy in the summer how can start a fresh without relegation on his CV and the fans already on his back come the start of the Championship campaign.

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I’m on board with this now. We are suited to a high press and this appointment matches. His attacking style will suit our forward line and he’ll hopefully shore up the defence. Also like that it sounds like he takes no prisoners and is hot on fitness. 
 

If we can get 30 points from the next 22 games then maybe, who knows. At least we can have a go now. 

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Pretty happy with this. Like the sound of him not taking any shit, focus on running, pressing, solidity etc. Not an impulse appointment as someone SR has tracked for a while. 

If it goes well then we have our guy either in the Prem or the Championship (if he improves us but too much to do in the time) and if not we get a Rohl or Corberan in the summer. 
 

It’s a fairly unenviable situation here so fair play to him for agreeing to take it on. Best of luck. 

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1 hour ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

If the players know he is leaving in May maybe they won't put in the graft needed for high pressing heavy metal footballTM

Knowing that he has 1.5 years with a 2 year option means they can't just phone it in for the rest of the season.

I imagine if we just miss out on staying up, he(Juric) will want a break clause. He will have plenty of other suitors if that’s the case……

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1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Because we would have to pay compensation to Wednesday and pay Rohl’s wages and pay him compensation if we wanted to sack him.

Maybe DR's new contract is a large compensation payable if he is poached by a Prem club but less for a champo club as they feel that is less of a risk. If we are relegated by the summer it may costs less, allow Rohl to finish the seasons attempt at promotion and also mean if we did get him he would start with a clean slate in preseason without the toxic fallout of relegation. 

So to make sure SW dont go up we should take back Charles in January regardless.

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I asked AI to predict his lineup and how each players fits into his usual system. And no matter how many times I tried to manipilute it, it still wouldn't pick Jack Stephens

 

Goalkeeper
Aaron Ramsdale (30)
Fit in Jurić's System: Ramsdale’s ability to play out from the back is essential for initiating attacks under Jurić’s system, which demands quick transitions from defense to offense. His vocal leadership helps organize the high defensive line.
Challenges: Must maintain composure under pressure, as Jurić’s style often invites aggressive opposition pressing.
Back Three
Jan Bednarek (35) (Central)
Fit in Jurić's System: As the central defender, Bednarek is the defensive anchor. His aerial strength and positional awareness are key for repelling crosses and organizing the backline.
Challenges: Needs to manage a high defensive line, which could expose him against faster attackers.

Nathan Wood (15) (Right Center-Back)
Fit in Jurić's System: Wood brings composure, agility, and defensive intelligence, which suit Jurić’s pressing system. His ability to read the game and intercept passes is valuable for covering spaces behind the wing-back.
Challenges: Still gaining top-flight experience and could struggle against high-pressure situations or physical strikers.

Taylor Harwood-Bellis (6) (Left Center-Back)
Fit in Jurić's System: As a left-sided ball-playing defender, Harwood-Bellis aids in building attacks from the back and switches play effectively. His composure suits Jurić's possession-oriented defensive setup.
Challenges: Needs to adapt to the physical demands of covering for an advanced left wing-back.

Wing-Backs
Kyle Walker-Peters (2) (Right Wing-Back)
Fit in Jurić's System: A dynamic presence on the right, Walker-Peters provides width in attack while maintaining defensive solidity. His versatility supports quick transitions and overloads in wide areas.
Challenges: Balancing offensive contributions with defensive duties in a system that relies heavily on wing-backs.

Ryan Manning (3) (Left Wing-Back)
Fit in Jurić's System: Manning’s crossing ability and overlapping runs are crucial for creating width on the left and delivering balls into the box.
Challenges: Needs to remain disciplined defensively, especially against counter-attacks targeting his flank.

Central Midfielders
Flynn Downes (4)
Fit in Jurić's System: Downes acts as the primary ball-winner in midfield, breaking up opposition play and protecting the backline. His high work rate and tactical intelligence are vital for maintaining balance.
Challenges: Limited creativity may reduce his impact in attacking transitions.

Mateus Fernandes (18)
Fit in Jurić's System: Fernandes offers a more technical and creative presence in midfield. His composure and vision enable him to link defense and attack effectively, playing progressive passes and controlling the tempo.
Challenges: Lacks physicality compared to Ugochukwu, so he’ll need to adapt to the physical demands of Jurić’s high-intensity system.

Attacking Midfielders
Tyler Dibling (33)
Fit in Jurić's System: Dibling is the creative hub, operating between the lines to unlock defenses with incisive passes and intelligent movement. His technical skills and ability to exploit spaces are pivotal.
Challenges: His lack of physicality might make it challenging to deal with aggressive marking.

Kamaldeen Sulemana (20)
Fit in Jurić's System: Sulemana’s pace and dribbling provide a direct attacking outlet, stretching defenses and creating space for others. He thrives in a system that prioritizes quick transitions.
Challenges: Needs to improve his decision-making in the final third to maximize his impact.

Striker
Adam Armstrong (9)
Fit in Jurić's System: Armstrong’s relentless pressing and pace make him ideal for leading the line in a high-intensity setup. He’s crucial for initiating the press and exploiting defensive errors.
Challenges: His lack of physical presence may limit his effectiveness against deep-lying defenses.


Summary of Tactical Fit
Defensive Cohesion: The back three, anchored by Bednarek and supported by the wing-backs, provides solidity while enabling progressive play from the back.
Midfield Dynamism: Downes provides the defensive cover, while Fernandes adds creativity and composure, ensuring balance during counter-pressing and possession phases.
Attacking Fluidity: Dibling’s creativity and Sulemana’s explosiveness offer variety in attack, while Armstrong’s pressing ensures high energy and defensive contributions.

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4 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I dont get the impression he will be mates with any of the players, not many "beautiful person, incredible man" quotes re Capt Shoehorn and co !!

 

Will probably spend part of the season watching from the stands! I do like the idea of someone not afraid to do hurty feelings. 

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1 hour ago, saintant said:

That's great especially the video clip of the row (wish I could understand Italian) and I hope SR know what they are getting into with this guy because he certainly will not be a shrinking violet. Interesting six months coming up and, because of the position we're in, I guess we have little to lose and much to gain. Let's see which way it goes.

Well, difficult to give a transcript but the words 'cagare', 'coglione' 'testa di cazzo' all feature heavily. Also 'go away, disappear' and 'don't raise your voice to me'! 🙂

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1 hour ago, Tom57 said:

I wonder how he'll do if he likes a target man and our only two are Stewart who has a default state of being injured, and Onuachu who may have already decided he's leaving in January. I guess we could buy one but Sport Republic may not be interested in spending in January.

Hopefully he puts his foot down and says onachu is going nowhere in jan.

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