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Charlie Wayman

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11 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Rohl is seriously underwhelming as a candidate.

As is Corberan.

We should be aiming high and at least trying to pay someone a bit more with a staying up bonus to keep us in the Premier League.

Win three matches and we’re back into the thick of it.

… and we have 5 very winnable matches in a row coming up. Just saying!

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Nordic Saint

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8 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Knows the Championship is so funny. There's not many recent Championship winning managers who "knew" the league before they won it.

This is a very good point. When top teams recruit a manager, they scour the globe for the best; they don't think, he knows the Premier League, let alone, he knows the Championship. Guardiola, Klopp, Slot etc never managed one minute in the Premier League before they were appointed at Man City and Liverpool, and that was to their advantage because their tactics were not stale and predictable. In contrast, our approach seems to be, let's appoint another manager from a mid-table Championship team because "he knows the Championship", when in fact all he knows is how to be mediocre and predictable to other managers in that league. Our best years this century were when Pochettino and Koeman, who'd never managed in England before, were appointed. 

There is nothing sensible in appointing a third mid-table Championship manager in a row and expecting the results to be any different. 

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11 hours ago, Dr Who? said:

Going to be a hat-trick of championship managers, at best. We never learn from our mistakes, we need experience of the premier league or we might as well stuck to what we had. We need something to still believe we can make a fight of this, not like last time. 

Out of the 3 Jones was the best on paper with limited budget and in the playoff positions with an over achieving Luton Town side and he was crap. 

Really needs to be a much better appointment than this, or we will all be moaning come new year. 

It appears the starting gun has fired already.

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5 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

I really don't see SR paying out compensation to land an in-work manager, not with all the financial grief over sacking RM, or the impending loss of PL TV revenue next season

Theres already the impending loss pf PL TV revenue THIS season by playing so badly, and not being selected for anything in the most recent announcements.

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One man no one has mentioned. Duncan  Ferguson. Only every lost once as manager in the premier league. Failed at Forest Green, did well at Inverness Caledonian. Available so won’t cost anything in compo. Hugely experienced player who will sort out the slackers in our squad. Get Big Dunc In

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33 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

This is a very good point. When top teams recruit a manager, they scour the globe for the best; they don't think, he knows the Premier League, let alone, he knows the Championship. Guardiola, Klopp, Slot etc never managed one minute in the Premier League before they were appointed at Man City and Liverpool, and that was to their advantage because their tactics were not stale and predictable. In contrast, our approach seems to be, let's appoint another manager from a mid-table Championship team because "he knows the Championship", when in fact all he knows is how to be mediocre and predictable to other managers in that league. Our best years this century were when Pochettino and Koeman, who'd never managed in England before, were appointed. 

There is nothing sensible in appointing a third mid-table Championship manager in a row and expecting the results to be any different. 

Eddie Howe was a mediocre mid table championship manager not long ago and the fan base would cream themselves if we appointed him today!  Appointing overseas managers is no guarantee of success it’s easy to cherry pick both ways.  I loved watching Saints under Gordon Strachan and he was a failed premier league manager coaching in the championship when we signed him!

The trouble is nothing in football ball is guaranteed, I would be happy with either if the current championship manager contenders because they are successful and favour a style of football I like.  Equally I would be happy with a decent overseas appointment etc and then it will just been down to luck as is the case with all managerial appointments/transfers etc at our level.  Sadly we are not rich/big enough to attract anything close to guaranteed success.

 

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Convict Colony

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5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

One man no one has mentioned. Duncan  Ferguson. Only every lost once as manager in the premier league. Failed at Forest Green, did well at Inverness Caledonian. Available so won’t cost anything in compo. Hugely experienced player who will sort out the slackers in our squad. Get Big Dunc In

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I know we jest but after checking the record you have the JK Rowling approach to factual writing

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Convict Colony

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30 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

I really don't see SR paying out compensation to land an in-work manager, not with all the financial grief over sacking RM, or the impending loss of PL TV revenue next season

Honestly if they feel this is the long term solution the time to try and be cheap skates is not now and not with the manager.

Sell some more dross in Jan to cover his cost.

Whilst purely speculative i see high potential upside in Rohl as did the world class managers who picked him to join them, world class club that he worked for (not us)  and national team (ok its only germany).  The fact he has taken all that, landed in more of a crazy club than ours, kept them up when they were bottom and now this season got Weds up to 9th on a shoestring buget whilst significantly improving a player we know (charles or maybe he just plays him in the right role) are all positive points for me.

I'd be excited with this recruitment and I would assume he has a good network as well across those germany teams to hopefully also get us some bargains etc.

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Patrick Bateman

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22 minutes ago, Turkish said:

One man no one has mentioned. Duncan  Ferguson. Only every lost once as manager in the premier league. Failed at Forest Green, did well at Inverness Caledonian. Available so won’t cost anything in compo. Hugely experienced player who will sort out the slackers in our squad. Get Big Dunc In

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Top bloke - just watched back the video of Jimmy Bullard telling the story of when Duncan had walloped Paul Scharner and then he'd foolishly offered him out in the tunnel 😂 I think all THAT is now missing from football.

 

(Link: https://www.facebook.com/TubesAngeGolfLife/videos/when-jimmy-bullard-challenged-duncan-ferguson-to-a-fight/226840535908346/)

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Saint Fan CaM

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Think Rohl is the best we’re realistically going to be looking at. Yes he’s just another mid-table Championship manager, but one with a much better history and experience than the last two chancers. He also knows the club inside out, which come to think of it might be a reason he turns us down!

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22 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

I know we jest but after checking the record you have the JK Rowling approach to factual writing

Big Dunc has only ever lost one premier league game as manager. If he can get close to his record at Cally then we’ve got every chance of achieving our goal of not being the shittest top flight club ever. He’s also failed at Forest Green so Rasmus will love him. Although Big Dunc at a vegan club was never going to work. Maybe that’s the next stop for Rusty?

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21 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Top bloke - just watched back the video of Jimmy Bullard telling the story of when Duncan had walloped Paul Scharner and then he'd foolishly offered him out in the tunnel 😂 I think all THAT is now missing from football.

We need these sort of characters to galvanise the club, he has a philosophy I could get behind 

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26 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Top bloke - just watched back the video of Jimmy Bullard telling the story of when Duncan had walloped Paul Scharner and then he'd foolishly offered him out in the tunnel 😂 I think all THAT is now missing from football.

 

(Link: https://www.facebook.com/TubesAngeGolfLife/videos/when-jimmy-bullard-challenged-duncan-ferguson-to-a-fight/226840535908346/)

Love that! 

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Polaroid Saint

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Can we have No Manager, please?

Honestly can't see how that's worse;

Let a player committee sort it out week to week. By the end of the season there might even be a consensus (is it Lalana? would it be Jack? Ryan Manning tactical genius?).

Obviously, it's a terrible idea, I get that - but still no worse than any other options and would appeal to Sports Republic maverick management style. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Polaroid Saint said:

Can we have No Manager, please?

Honestly can't see how that's worse;

Let a player committee sort it out week to week. By the end of the season there might even be a consensus (is it Lalana? would it be Jack? Ryan Manning tactical genius?).

Obviously, it's a terrible idea, I get that - but still no worse than any other options and would appeal to Sports Republic maverick management style. 

 

 

Yeah we could organise a vote by text for each position. £1 per vote which would help pay off the `RM. Even add a vote for formation. Open it to ST and members only to stop the away sides supporters voting for mcCarthy in goal. We are golden.

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19 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

I do wonder if Rasmus has the capacity to self reflect or think how broken something needs to be before fixing it. 

What do you mean? Rasmus' whole mantra is "if it aint broke, consider breaking it"...

Rasmus Ankersen

Its right there... In red and white 🤣

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1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Honestly if they feel this is the long term solution the time to try and be cheap skates is not now and not with the manager.

Sell some more dross in Jan to cover his cost.

Whilst purely speculative i see high potential upside in Rohl as did the world class managers who picked him to join them, world class club that he worked for (not us)  and national team (ok its only germany).  The fact he has taken all that, landed in more of a crazy club than ours, kept them up when they were bottom and now this season got Weds up to 9th on a shoestring buget whilst significantly improving a player we know (charles or maybe he just plays him in the right role) are all positive points for me.

I'd be excited with this recruitment and I would assume he has a good network as well across those germany teams to hopefully also get us some bargains etc.

Not saying Rohl isn't a good choice, I actually think he is, just don't see SR being willing to pay the compensation

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I think we do need to push the boat out and find someone who we know can make a difference not speculate they might. Once again we are trying to be too clever or cheap again. The chat on here seems like we have all been slapped down so much lately we are talking ourselves into the mindset of he could do a job. I would like to understand why this time will be different from Jones, Selles and Martin. Moyes may not be certain success but at least you know he can do it. Someone like this even from overseas is what we need. Money talks. I’m sure we could get someone better than those suggested and available so far. I feel we are about to climb on the next rollercoaster. 

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

One man no one has mentioned. Duncan  Ferguson. Only every lost once as manager in the premier league. Failed at Forest Green, did well at Inverness Caledonian. Available so won’t cost anything in compo. Hugely experienced player who will sort out the slackers in our squad. Get Big Dunc In

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Don't think it would all be so pally pally at training.

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22 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

What do you mean? Rasmus' whole mantra is "if it aint broke, consider breaking it"...

Rasmus Ankersen

Its right there... In red and white 🤣

That might be his mantra, but his application of it is “if it’s broke, fuck it up even more” 

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Convict Colony

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5 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Can someone clarify who the owner of the club is I thought dragan was? But daily echo are reporting this and it scares me 😂

"The search is likely to be conducted by co-owners Rasmus Ankersen and Henrik Kraft"

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24802809.southampton-manager-news-know-next-boss-hunt/

Minority shareholders in the american paralance, Dragan has a proper business to run

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2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Also with regards to Rohl if he does have a large compensation clause at Weds I assume we could offer him a 5yr contract (3 +2 based on performaces) and amortise it over 5yrs to reduce PSR impact ?

The average wage for a manager in that league I think was £800k a year (but might of been 3/4 years ago). So even if risen to £1m (remembering Sheff Weds are skint), I can't see it being that large a compo.

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17 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Can someone clarify who the owner of the club is I thought dragan was? But daily echo are reporting this and it scares me 😂

"The search is likely to be conducted by co-owners Rasmus Ankersen and Henrik Kraft"

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24802809.southampton-manager-news-know-next-boss-hunt/

Remember how he boasted that he was personally taking control of the transfer window Jan 22 and we ended up with Sully, Tall Paul, Orsic and the rest of the gang. Everything he touches turns to shit. He is King Midus in reverse isn't he.

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24 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Can someone clarify who the owner of the club is I thought dragan was? But daily echo are reporting this and it scares me 😂

"The search is likely to be conducted by co-owners Rasmus Ankersen and Henrik Kraft"

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24802809.southampton-manager-news-know-next-boss-hunt/

I share your concerns but who else at the club did you expect would be tasked with sourcing our next manager? There is not one person currently working for the club with a shred of credibility when it comes to handling this very important decision. We should probably be appointing an experienced Director of Football and leaving him to come up with a list of candidates. There is no rush because we are going to be relegated whichever way you cut it. Do the job properly and you might not be doing it again in another 9 months 😞 

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2 hours ago, Turkish said:

One man no one has mentioned. Duncan  Ferguson. Only every lost once as manager in the premier league. Failed at Forest Green, did well at Inverness Caledonian. Available so won’t cost anything in compo. Hugely experienced player who will sort out the slackers in our squad. Get Big Dunc In

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He'll be fucking useless, but I'll leave it to someone else to tell him.

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12 hours ago, benjii said:

Can't believe people are writing the season off. 

Get Fat Sam in and sign a couple of big buggers to play CB and CM in Jan, Tall Paul up front with Armstrong or Archer alongside him....

To live is to dream.

Mate, I was writing the season off before it had even started.

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3 hours ago, Turkish said:

One man no one has mentioned. Duncan  Ferguson. Only every lost once as manager in the premier league. Failed at Forest Green, did well at Inverness Caledonian. Available so won’t cost anything in compo. Hugely experienced player who will sort out the slackers in our squad. Get Big Dunc In

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From Russy cuddles to big Dunc’s Glasgow kisses, gets my vote. 

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Lord Duckhunter

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40 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

What's Jesse Marsch's contract like with the Canadian's? Wonder if he's back on the radar?

When he spoke to Simon Jordan’s podcast he said it was the disconnect at the top of the club that put him off. Jordan has mentioned that he was friendly with Martin Semmens and Semmens thought highly of him as a manager.
 

I took that to mean that Semmens wanted him but SR weren’t so sure. 

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Convict Colony

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32 minutes ago, Tom & Gerry said:

If we can't afford a Championship manager how about we look a little lower. Kelvin your time has come ( again). Or how about Jimmy  Ball , fighting relegation would be in his DNA, and we know the tactics- just give it to Tyler at every opportunity. 

Check Wycombe Wanderers manager out, he's balling.

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