OneMrsWallace Posted Tuesday at 19:32 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:32 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: If somebody wants to press with our walking footballers, we’re fucked. What’s the obsession with a managers style. I’d prefer a manager to come into the club assess the players and then work out the tactics from there. Especially for the remainder of this season. 😁 Edited Tuesday at 19:34 by OneMrsWallace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted Tuesday at 19:37 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:37 1 hour ago, saintwbu said: Shea Charles has become Kante since he got loaned out according to most on here. The drop in quality from Downes to him last season was astronomical. Loaning him out was absolutely the right thing to do, bringing in Les to replace him was not. Amen to that. It’s incredible how ‘good’ he’s become since he left! Genuine question to those saying he’s the solution, how much have you watched him this season? I’ve only seen the one game which was the derby with Utd which I watched in full. If he hadn’t been an ex-Saint I wouldn’t have known he was on the pitch. I get it that we seem somewhat short of DM’s if we’re going to be playing two and I appreciate my sample is only one game so what did I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted Tuesday at 19:41 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:41 I long for the days when other clubs want to poach our manager and pay us tens of millions. These days they just pat them on the head and say 'great job' as they walk off with a handful of points. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted Tuesday at 19:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:43 42 minutes ago, DT said: I’m wondering if we’re trying to force Wednesday’s hand into accepting a negotiated lower compensation fee for Rohl by having these other names still in the frame. Presumably they’re skint and we really want him but are valuing at the 10 mill or whatever it really is and he wants to come. Rest is smoke and mirrors. Just a left field stab in the air theory. Can’t get excited about a manager with no experience of the English leagues. I can’t imagine Rohl is on a 4 year contract at Sheffield Weds, which is about what £10m would equate too….! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted Tuesday at 19:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:43 1 hour ago, saintwbu said: Shea Charles has become Kante since he got loaned out according to most on here. The drop in quality from Downes to him last season was astronomical. Loaning him out was absolutely the right thing to do, bringing in Les to replace him was not. He’s actually a pretty good player and could have made a difference if he was here. Downes has been hung out to dry on his own. Loaning him out was a good move, if we had replaced him. Instead we had a moron in charge asking Downes to be Rodri. Downes needs help. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted Tuesday at 19:44 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:44 1 hour ago, saintant said: Not sure you can because you'll be working the players so hard they'll not be match fit when games come along thick and fast. I would imagine Poch eased the double training session in gradually so they could probably do that. The hard yards should have been done pre-season and, if they weren't there's no excuse for that. Logic would suggest you can't fix fitness during a season. However, they are elite athletes (believe it or not) and people have already brought the Adkins to Poch example. While, we've also seen the transition from Hughes to Hasenhuttl mid-season. It was well reported that training got a bit lax under Hughes and you could see it in the players on the pitch. I think there was a bit of noise around Ings at the time who went from Klopp's intense training sessions, to our relaxed version. Then Hasenhuttl came in and we went from 1 win 16 to beating Arsenal 3-2 in 11 days following his takeover. On the manager front, I shouldn't be surprised but still am that Sky are reporting that we weren't actively looking for a manager before Tottenham smashed us to bits. It shouldn't be true, but considering Wolves, who sacked O'Neil on the same day have all but confirmed their new manager, while there isn't anything really concrete for us yet suggests that it is. This is another slight on SR. We had 1 win in 15 before Sunday and had been thrashed by Chelsea they week before. They should have at least had a contingency plan. We used to be ahead of the game. Whether that was just Les Reed blowing smoke up his arse, I don't know. But he did run a very successful Southampton side for a handful of years. Meanwhile, under SR. We've seen no replacement for Nathan Jones, we saw Ankersen need to step in when Shields got picked up by Chelsea and had to wait for the following summer for Wilcox to takeover. Then, again, Wilcox' departure wasn't a surprise and we replaced him from within and it's now showing poorly. Still haven't replaced the set-piece coach. They thought they could go into a season with Alex McCarthy as number one, and then it became apparent after Newcastle, the first game that we couldn't and the January before last we really needed Onuachu and Sulemana in before the deadline day, if they were going to be any good. SR just always seem two steps too slow. On the names linked today, I'm not too thrilled with Corberan. Generally, I want us to avoid another Championship manager after the last two and go a bit more adventurous. Unearthing another Pochettino, or Iraola from Europe. Although, SR probably don't have the resources to identify one of those and we'll end up with another Pellegrino. But, I'm just not wowed by Corberan. A choice out of Corberan or Rohl and I'd go with Rohl because he's worked at bigger club sides and national sides than us previously. Similar to McKenna at Ipswich and got a Sheffield Wednesday side, who had the worst start to a season in Championship history to survival and now 9th in the league. While, Corberan has West Brom in 8th now and in the play-offs last season, they have only won two of our their last 14 in the league. He also flopped at Olympiakos after walking out on Huddersfield. How do you only win 2 out of 11 matches at Olympiakos? 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted Tuesday at 19:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:45 2 hours ago, VectisSaint said: Amusing really, how impressions change a year or so on. Charles was rubbished on here last season, though it was obvious to some that he is actually a very decent player. Almost no one here gave a toss about Rohl when he left, claiming he had no influence on Hassenhuttl. This is a garbled nonsense version of what people were actually saying. Charles was not good enough last season, highly likely not good enough for the Prem now. When he came in as cover for Downes it didn't work. It was clearly the correct decision to loan him out 100% correct, hope he completes the season and cones back as a player we can use, like Smallbone last year. What you're saying about Rohl is equally twisted. People here started myth making, pretending Ralph was only good because of Rohl. This is despite us having our best seasons after he'd gone. Rohl only really got talked on here about because of that myth that people who didn't like Ralph wanted to be true. Bizarre you've tried to twist it the other way. Otherwise everything you say is spot on. Jesus wept 🙄 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted Tuesday at 20:02 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:02 Rohl is seriously underwhelming as a candidate. As is Corberan. We should be aiming high and at least trying to pay someone a bit more with a staying up bonus to keep us in the Premier League. Win three matches and we’re back into the thick of it. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted Tuesday at 20:05 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:05 Rohl is a great choice. I have enjoyed the recent years the most when we played with an aggressive press (Poch and Ralph). We also need someone the fans can get behind and Rohl seems to tick those boxes. We can go into the rest of the season recognising we are underdogs and try to go down with some dignity and start a promotion campaign next year. Get it done Saints. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted Tuesday at 20:06 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:06 19 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: He’s actually a pretty good player and could have made a difference if he was here. Downes has been hung out to dry on his own. Loaning him out was a good move, if we had replaced him. Instead we had a moron in charge asking Downes to be Rodri. Downes needs help. Exactly. It’s no shock that Downes has looked exposed given lack of any defensive qualities of Lallana, Aribo, big Les or even Manning helping him out in the middle. He’s been thrown under the bus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chownie20 Posted Tuesday at 20:07 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:07 (edited) Corberan and Rohl really don't float my boat. What's the point. They're not going to keep us up and will have half a season of scar tissue to recover from before they start the job they're capable / intended to do which is compete in the championship. Neither of them have any credentials in terms of getting out of the championship either. Not saying I have the answer but these two feel lazy and underwhelming- it's like confirming relegation acceptance and then going again in the champ with someone unqualified in securing promotion Edited Tuesday at 20:09 by chownie20 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted Tuesday at 20:08 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:08 4 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Rohl is seriously underwhelming as a candidate. As is Corberan. We should be aiming high and at least trying to pay someone a bit more with a staying up bonus to keep us in the Premier League. Win three matches and we’re back into the thick of it. You think an expensive journeyman would instantly find 3 wins and get us right back in it? I think it’d be just as likely from the likes of Rohl 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted Tuesday at 20:16 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:16 Not a fan of Corberan. WBA were dreadful and overly defensive in the playoffs. RM I'm pretty sure is unbeaten in 5 or 6 vs him incidentally. Rohl feels like he has a bit more about him but all indications are we haven't made an approach and don't want to pay compo. That makes sense if its a short term thing but if not then its pretty worrying. Surely you get the person you really want seeingnas they become the most important person at the club? Hjulmand seems most likely IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted Tuesday at 20:21 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:21 Rohl spoke very well when he was a pundit during the Euros. Seems a nice guy. Think our lot could do with a Ferguson style hairdryer manager for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted Tuesday at 20:22 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:22 4 minutes ago, Dusic said: Not a fan of Corberan. WBA were dreadful and overly defensive in the playoffs. Martin had better players at his disposal. Makes things easier for him. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted Tuesday at 20:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:33 48 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: He’s actually a pretty good player and could have made a difference if he was here. Downes has been hung out to dry on his own. Loaning him out was a good move, if we had replaced him. Instead we had a moron in charge asking Downes to be Rodri. Downes needs help. Yeah completely agree. If there is a recall option I'd like to see Downes and Charles playing together as DMs with Fernandes as an 8/10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chownie20 Posted Tuesday at 20:35 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:35 1 minute ago, Saint Scott said: Yeah completely agree. If there is a recall option I'd like to see Downes and Charles playing together as DMs with Fernandes as an 8/10 Yep, Lesley < Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted Tuesday at 20:36 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:36 Going to be a hat-trick of championship managers, at best. We never learn from our mistakes, we need experience of the premier league or we might as well stuck to what we had. We need something to still believe we can make a fight of this, not like last time. Out of the 3 Jones was the best on paper with limited budget and in the playoff positions with an over achieving Luton Town side and he was crap. Really needs to be a much better appointment than this, or we will all be moaning come new year. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted Tuesday at 20:42 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:42 37 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Rohl is seriously underwhelming as a candidate. 34 minutes ago, Wiggles31 said: Rohl is a great choice. Glad that’s cleared up then lads. Appreciate the effort 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted Tuesday at 20:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:43 25 minutes ago, Dusic said: Not a fan of Corberan. WBA were dreadful and overly defensive in the playoffs. Wasn’t that because they had no strikers available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted Tuesday at 20:44 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:44 (edited) Graham Potter was a Championship manager who hadn’t achieved half of what Russell Martin has, but he did alright at Brighton and people would wet themselves if he got appointed here. Getting a Championship manager in is not a problem, getting a shit one is. Jones was never ever going to work, we still had something to play for and that appointment killed us. This time it’s different, most know we’re done, the expectations are very low and so is the pressure - Danny Rohl for me, personally, I like Corberan a lot but i’m not sure i’d want to watch his teams every week. Edited Tuesday at 20:45 by saintwbu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted Tuesday at 20:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:45 8 minutes ago, Saint Scott said: Yeah completely agree. If there is a recall option I'd like to see Downes and Charles playing together as DMs with Fernandes as an 8/10 I don’t particularly want to see 2 dm. I don’t think that makes use of Charles box to box strengths. Much prefer to see him and fernandes either side with Downes freed to focus solely on being a defensive shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted Tuesday at 20:51 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:51 2 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Graham Potter was a Championship manager who hadn’t achieved half of what Russell Martin has Stopped reading there... Potter took a club from the 4th tier of the Swedish leagues all the way to title contenders, won a national cup, then took the same team through several rounds of the Europa League, beating teams from much higher ranked leagues, only losing to Arsenal on aggregate (they won one of their games). Please could you elaborate on how Martin's achievements of taking both MK Dons & Swansea to mid table of their respective leagues is much greater an achievement than what Potter achieved? 11 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted Tuesday at 20:58 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:58 6 minutes ago, Barsiem said: Stopped reading there... Potter took a club from the 4th tier of the Swedish leagues all the way to title contenders, won a national cup, then took the same team through several rounds of the Europa League, beating teams from much higher ranked leagues, only losing to Arsenal on aggregate (they won one of their games). Please could you elaborate on how Martin's achievements of taking both MK Dons & Swansea to mid table of their respective leagues is much greater an achievement than what Potter achieved? Sorry I didn’t realise i’d have to specify ‘what he had achieved in the Championship’ when referring to why taking a manager out of the Championship wasn’t necessarily a bad thing… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted Tuesday at 21:05 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:05 I believe Sheffield Wednesday were also having the worst start in Championship history before Rohl came in last year. He's doing a brilliant job there to have kept them up and now have them in play-off contention. It's also quite a nice feeling to be after a manager where the fans of the club are desperate for him to stay. There is not a perfect appointment available to a club with a record-low points total approaching January. I'm very happy for us to bring somebody in who is young and has experience of the Championship, who has the 0.1% chance of keeping us up if we hit a crazy bit of form. I wouldn't be devastated if we gave Corberan a shot either. However, if SSN are saying (not that they're too reliable these days) that £2m is being considered too steep for Corberan, let alone Rohl, then it looks like it's probably going to be Hjumland to avoid paying any extra. Absolutely no clue what to make of that appointment other than pure speculation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Tuesday at 21:11 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:11 2 hours ago, Toussaint said: I’m not saying we shouldn’t have loaned him out, that’s exactly what we should have done. My point is as a lightweight 19 year old with very little experience it isn’t fair to compare him to Downes. He did start off well but got worse, it appeared his confidence dropped badly. My impression was he would become a very good player, which is why it doesn’t surprise me he is getting good reviews. He's being better coached now so no surprise that he is improving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Tuesday at 21:15 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:15 1 hour ago, West end Saints said: To be fair, Downes has looked nowhere near ready to play in the premier league all season He's been asked to do too much which is not his fault. Downes should have been played in a double pivot in front of the back four. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted Tuesday at 21:17 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:17 1 minute ago, saintant said: He's been asked to do too much which is not his fault. Downes should have been played in a double pivot in front of the back four. Yep, I certainly wouldn't want to be playing as a DM in a Russell Martin side. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted Tuesday at 21:21 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:21 (edited) 8 minutes ago, saintant said: Downes should have been played in a double pivot in front of the back four. Are you just making crap up? WTF is this word spaghetti I know I’m getting old, but… Edited Tuesday at 21:24 by Raging Bull 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted Tuesday at 21:27 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:27 4 minutes ago, Raging Bull said: Are you just making crap up? WTF is this word spaghetti A double pivot is a pretty common term in football in the last 10 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted Tuesday at 21:31 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:31 3 minutes ago, Saint Scott said: A double pivot is a pretty common term in football in the last 10 years. Woke nonsense. 6 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chivvy Posted Tuesday at 21:41 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:41 Lets not forget Charles is looking good in the championship. Plenty of our current squad look good in that division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted Tuesday at 21:56 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:56 (edited) 2 hours ago, Greenridge said: Amen to that. It’s incredible how ‘good’ he’s become since he left! Genuine question to those saying he’s the solution, how much have you watched him this season? I’ve only seen the one game which was the derby with Utd which I watched in full. If he hadn’t been an ex-Saint I wouldn’t have known he was on the pitch. I get it that we seem somewhat short of DM’s if we’re going to be playing two and I appreciate my sample is only one game so what did I miss? I live in Sheffield and Wednesday fans absolutely love both him and Rohl and will be gutted to see either leave in January. They rate Charles one of the best players they’ve seen at the club in donkeys years. I’d take Rohl simply because he shows a bit of passion and knows how to get good results from a below average group, Wednesday looked as good as relegated when he took over last season but he turned them round and and then this year has them well up the table and I would say punching above their weight given spend. Edited Tuesday at 21:58 by a1ex2001 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted Tuesday at 22:08 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:08 We are down so Rohl seems a good choice as he knows the club and the championship 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted Tuesday at 22:23 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:23 1 hour ago, saintwbu said: Graham Potter was a Championship manager who hadn’t achieved half of what Russell Martin has Is this a wind up 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted Tuesday at 22:25 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:25 Can't believe people are writing the season off. Get Fat Sam in and sign a couple of big buggers to play CB and CM in Jan, Tall Paul up front with Armstrong or Archer alongside him.... To live is to dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted Tuesday at 22:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:33 8 minutes ago, danjosaint said: Is this a wind up Graham Potter Championship achievements: 10th place with Swansea. Russell Martin Championship achievements: 10th place with Swansea. Promotion with Southampton. I stand corrected, Graham Potter achieved exactly half of what Russell Martin achieved. 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted Tuesday at 22:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:45 11 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Graham Potter Championship achievements: 10th place with Swansea. Russell Martin Championship achievements: 10th place with Swansea. Promotion with Southampton. I stand corrected, Graham Potter achieved exactly half of what Russell Martin achieved. I don't think anyone gives a flying fuck. Now do Premier League. Let us know when you've finished up adding up all Russell Martin's league wins. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted Tuesday at 22:55 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:55 (edited) 10 minutes ago, CB Fry said: I don't think anyone gives a flying fuck. Now do Premier League. Let us know when you've finished up adding up all Russell Martin's league wins. I think the point being made is at the point Potter became a premier league manager he hadn’t achieved a great deal in the championship but it worked out! Not all managers in the championship is Jones or Martin! Edited Tuesday at 22:56 by a1ex2001 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted Tuesday at 22:57 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:57 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Galway saint said: We are down so Rohl seems a good choice as he knows the club and the championship Knows the Championship is so funny. There's not many recent Championship winning managers who "knew" the league before they won it. Edited Tuesday at 22:58 by Fabrice29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted Tuesday at 23:27 Share Posted Tuesday at 23:27 1 hour ago, RedArmy said: Woke nonsense. He pivots both ways 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 23:35 Share Posted Tuesday at 23:35 36 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: Knows the Championship is so funny. There's not many recent Championship winning managers who "knew" the league before they won it. Indeed. Using that logic, no one would have wanted naresca before he walked the league with Leicester and is now a big success at Chelsea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted Tuesday at 23:59 Share Posted Tuesday at 23:59 5 hours ago, saintwbu said: Shea Charles has become Kante since he got loaned out according to most on here. He's been playing regularly.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted Wednesday at 06:09 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:09 Whoever it is, if we can’t afford £2M compensation for what is arguably one of our most important appointments then we’ve some serious issues going forward 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted Wednesday at 06:14 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:14 3 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said: Whoever it is, if we can’t afford £2M compensation for what is arguably one of our most important appointments then we’ve some serious issues going forward Don’t be silly.. if we spend money on compensation that will only eat into the funds of another pointless wide player 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted Wednesday at 06:53 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:53 38 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Don’t be silly.. if we spend money on compensation that will only eat into the funds of another pointless wide player You never know, the new manager may get a tune out of some of our pointless wide players. That’s what I’m hoping for. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted Wednesday at 06:57 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:57 finding it really difficult to get excited about a new manager, none of the names mentioned excite me in the slightest. It kinda sums up my whole feeling about Saints and football right now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted Wednesday at 07:12 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:12 8 hours ago, a1ex2001 said: I think the point being made is at the point Potter became a premier league manager he hadn’t achieved a great deal in the championship but it worked out! Not all managers in the championship is Jones or Martin! Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted Wednesday at 07:25 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:25 31 minutes ago, Toussaint said: You never know, the new manager may get a tune out of some of our pointless wide players. That’s what I’m hoping for. You mean by getting the ball quickly to them and encouraging them to get down the line? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted Wednesday at 07:34 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:34 39 minutes ago, Toussaint said: You never know, the new manager may get a tune out of some of our pointless wide players. That’s what I’m hoping for. Is like to see Sulemana given a run of a few games where he is encouraged to run with the ball and use his pace. Might be useless but I haven't seen much of him in a team that plays to his strengths. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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