Baird of the land Posted Tuesday at 17:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:10 If it ends up being rohl, does anyone know is there an option to recall Charles in Jan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted Tuesday at 17:15 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:15 To be honest, if the board are looking at another championship manager after Martin and Jones you would ever-so-slightly be questioning their competence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted Tuesday at 17:18 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:18 Just now, Wade Garrett said: To be honest, if the board are looking at another championship manager after Martin and Jones you would ever-so-slightly be questioning their competence. I guess if managers with Prem experience are not interested in joining a sinking ship, not much the owners can do about it? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted Tuesday at 17:20 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:20 3 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: To be honest, if the board are looking at another championship manager after Martin and Jones you would ever-so-slightly be questioning their competence. Except not too many Championship managers have coached at Bayern Munich and been assistant manager for the German national team ! 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted Tuesday at 17:27 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:27 6 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: Except not too many Championship managers have coached at Bayern Munich and been assistant manager for the German national team ! Yeah he’s so great that’s why he’s at Sheffield Wednesday. Whatever next…Pep at Morecambe? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted Tuesday at 17:29 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:29 Just now, RedArmy said: Yeah he’s so great that’s why he’s at Sheffield Wednesday. Whatever next…Pep at Morecambe? It’s his first managerial role in his own right, where do you want him to start? Man City? 6 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted Tuesday at 17:30 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:30 4 hours ago, Marching Halos said: Just thought I mention the Martin's southampton beat rohl Sheffield 2-1 and then 4-0 the second game. Last season. Nathan Jones’s Saints team beat Man City two years. You saying you would rank Jones higher? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted Tuesday at 17:49 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:49 Carlos Corberan: Southampton considering approach for West Brom head coach to replace Russell Martin https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13275613/carlos-corberan-southampton-considering-approach-for-west-brom-head-coach-to-replace-russell-martin 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirkdiggler Posted Tuesday at 18:04 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:04 1 hour ago, VectisSaint said: Amusing really, how impressions change a year or so on. Charles was rubbished on here last season, though it was obvious to some that he is actually a very decent player. Almost no one here gave a toss about Rohl when he left, claiming he had no influence on Hassenhuttl. Yet here we are, bigging up both (not necessarily you Trousers). I actually don't think Rohl is what we need right now, and I also think it will take a miracle to turn our unfit mediocre squad into gangenpress (or whatever it's called) players. You can't instill fitness like that midseason. Basically we are f***** with the current squad who with a few notable exceptions are simply not good enough for the PL. You can install fitness any when. Poch did that when he took charge after Adkins. Double sessions, more running work during training etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted Tuesday at 18:08 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:08 (edited) 18 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Carlos Corberan: Southampton considering approach for West Brom head coach to replace Russell Martin https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13275613/carlos-corberan-southampton-considering-approach-for-west-brom-head-coach-to-replace-russell-martin Just Sky manipulating their betting market. Edited Tuesday at 18:08 by Wade Garrett 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirkdiggler Posted Tuesday at 18:08 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:08 If the new manager adopts a 4,2,3,1 I can’t see who would play In the 2 screening the defence? Maybe Downes as one of them but can’t think of any players we have who could do the, as we used to have, Wanyama/ Romeu role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted Tuesday at 18:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:10 49 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: Except not too many Championship managers have coached at Bayern Munich and been assistant manager for the German national team ! Put out a few cones and handed some bibs out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted Tuesday at 18:11 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:11 2 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said: If the new manager adopts a 4,2,3,1 I can’t see who would play In the 2 screening the defence? Maybe Downes as one of them but can’t think of any players we have who could do the, as we used to have, Wanyama/ Romeu role? Charles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Tuesday at 18:11 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:11 4 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said: You can install fitness any when. Poch did that when he took charge after Adkins. Double sessions, more running work during training etc etc Not sure you can because you'll be working the players so hard they'll not be match fit when games come along thick and fast. I would imagine Poch eased the double training session in gradually so they could probably do that. The hard yards should have been done pre-season and, if they weren't there's no excuse for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted Tuesday at 18:11 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:11 15 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Carlos Corberan: Southampton considering approach for West Brom head coach to replace Russell Martin https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13275613/carlos-corberan-southampton-considering-approach-for-west-brom-head-coach-to-replace-russell-martin I'm ambivalent about Corberan but what's more alarming in that story is this bit, if accurate: "Saints are still in the early stages of seeking a replacement for Russell Martin, who was sacked on Sunday after an emergency meeting of the board, in the wake of the 5-0 home defeat to Tottenham. That performance hastened a decision that the Southampton board were reluctant to take and, as such, the club had not been actively working on finding a successor." I know everyone thinks SR are a bit shit, but are we really to believe they hadn't even thought to start putting the feelers out until half-time on Sunday? 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted Tuesday at 18:11 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:11 1 minute ago, Dirkdiggler said: If the new manager adopts a 4,2,3,1 I can’t see who would play In the 2 screening the defence? Maybe Downes as one of them but can’t think of any players we have who could do the, as we used to have, Wanyama/ Romeu role? Lesley is the only other player that makes sense there and he looks to be going back to Chelsea. Charles will be recalled or we will recruit another you’d think. Lallana and Aribo have been deep at times but it’s not really their game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted Tuesday at 18:12 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:12 1 hour ago, derry said: What we don't need is another smartass. Forget all the attendant crap, inverted fullbacks etc leaving acres of space for op[ponents to exploit. Basic football, full backs and centre backs that defend, holding midfielders that hold, attacking midfielders that attack, strikers that score goals, wingers that cross. Forget all the reest of the crap, keep it simple stupid. Jumpers for goalposts, isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted Tuesday at 18:12 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:12 2 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said: If the new manager adopts a 4,2,3,1 I can’t see who would play In the 2 screening the defence? Maybe Downes as one of them but can’t think of any players we have who could do the, as we used to have, Wanyama/ Romeu role? Hopefully Rohl ( forgive my tomfoolery ), if he gets the job, will play Downes and Shea Charles there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted Tuesday at 18:13 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:13 Just now, Wade Garrett said: Hopefully Rohl ( forgive my tomfoolery ), if he gets the job, will play Downes and Shea Charles there. Agreed, just imagine if we could have that option from the start of the season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted Tuesday at 18:14 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:14 5 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said: If the new manager adopts a 4,2,3,1 I can’t see who would play In the 2 screening the defence? Maybe Downes as one of them but can’t think of any players we have who could do the, as we used to have, Wanyama/ Romeu role? Captain Jack, obviously. When he gets back from suspension, of course. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted Tuesday at 18:14 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:14 5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: Just Sky manipulating their betting market. Sky TV hasn't had any connection with Sky Bet since 2018. They sold their remaining stake six years ago and now they're completely separate companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted Tuesday at 18:14 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:14 Just now, lambtiss said: Agreed, just imagine if we could have that option from the start of the season... In hindsight it does look, like with Tella, that we loaned out our own player and brought in worse. At the time both made sense though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted Tuesday at 18:19 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:19 3 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: Sky TV hasn't had any connection with Sky Bet since 2018. They sold their remaining stake six years ago and now they're completely separate companies. This is true but like any useful idiot I am sure the worlds largest bookmaker (flutter entertainment) places stories across the press to manage risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nieldy Posted Tuesday at 18:20 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:20 im just glad Frank lampard got another club a few weeks ago.😁 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted Tuesday at 18:25 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:25 Shea Charles has become Kante since he got loaned out according to most on here. The drop in quality from Downes to him last season was astronomical. Loaning him out was absolutely the right thing to do, bringing in Les to replace him was not. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirkdiggler Posted Tuesday at 18:28 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:28 16 minutes ago, saintant said: Not sure you can because you'll be working the players so hard they'll not be match fit when games come along thick and fast. I would imagine Poch eased the double training session in gradually so they could probably do that. The hard yards should have been done pre-season and, if they weren't there's no excuse for that. “During Mauricio Pochettino's time at Southampton, his training methods were known for their intensity and mental toughness. Players would engage in grueling sessions even shortly after matches, such as the "horseshoe runs" on Mondays, which involved high-endurance drills. When striker Rickie Lambert approached Pochettino to request lighter sessions, the manager responded by doubling the workload the following week, aiming to push his players to their physical and mental limits. These demanding routines built resilience but were also mentally challenging for the squad” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted Tuesday at 18:29 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:29 4 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Shea Charles has become Kante since he got loaned out according to most on here. The drop in quality from Downes to him last season was astronomical. Loaning him out was absolutely the right thing to do, bringing in Les to replace him was not. You make a valid point. To be fair, he was used more as a defender than a midfielder last season, and was ill-suited to our ultra-possession style. He is playing out of his skin this season by all accounts and suits 4-2-3-1 with his strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Tuesday at 18:42 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:42 29 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: I'm ambivalent about Corberan but what's more alarming in that story is this bit, if accurate: "Saints are still in the early stages of seeking a replacement for Russell Martin, who was sacked on Sunday after an emergency meeting of the board, in the wake of the 5-0 home defeat to Tottenham. That performance hastened a decision that the Southampton board were reluctant to take and, as such, the club had not been actively working on finding a successor." I know everyone thinks SR are a bit shit, but are we really to believe they hadn't even thought to start putting the feelers out until half-time on Sunday? If true it's just another example of how useless they are - SR seems to be in a constant shambles. RM maybe gone but we probably aren't going to improve much until this shower are out of the door too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted Tuesday at 18:44 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:44 31 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: I'm ambivalent about Corberan but what's more alarming in that story is this bit, if accurate: "Saints are still in the early stages of seeking a replacement for Russell Martin, who was sacked on Sunday after an emergency meeting of the board, in the wake of the 5-0 home defeat to Tottenham. That performance hastened a decision that the Southampton board were reluctant to take and, as such, the club had not been actively working on finding a successor." I know everyone thinks SR are a bit shit, but are we really to believe they hadn't even thought to start putting the feelers out until half-time on Sunday? Yes, without any effort whatsoever I can believe that they are that shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted Tuesday at 18:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:45 16 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said: “During Mauricio Pochettino's time at Southampton, his training methods were known for their intensity and mental toughness. Players would engage in grueling sessions even shortly after matches, such as the "horseshoe runs" on Mondays, which involved high-endurance drills. When striker Rickie Lambert approached Pochettino to request lighter sessions, the manager responded by doubling the workload the following week, aiming to push his players to their physical and mental limits. These demanding routines built resilience but were also mentally challenging for the squad” To be fair, I think Russ brought some of the players back for extra hugging practice. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Tuesday at 18:46 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:46 15 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said: “During Mauricio Pochettino's time at Southampton, his training methods were known for their intensity and mental toughness. Players would engage in grueling sessions even shortly after matches, such as the "horseshoe runs" on Mondays, which involved high-endurance drills. When striker Rickie Lambert approached Pochettino to request lighter sessions, the manager responded by doubling the workload the following week, aiming to push his players to their physical and mental limits. These demanding routines built resilience but were also mentally challenging for the squad” That's the way it should be - these guys are paid astronomical amounts and should be made to go through the pain barrier to get them in tip top condition. We are clearly way below fitness levels of our opponents and that's yet another example of the bunch of misfits and amateurs who are running our club. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted Tuesday at 18:47 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:47 Our lot seamed to get tired running out of the tunnel, 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted Tuesday at 18:47 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:47 57 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Carlos Corberan: Southampton considering approach for West Brom head coach to replace Russell Martin https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13275613/carlos-corberan-southampton-considering-approach-for-west-brom-head-coach-to-replace-russell-martin Why are we allegedly so interested in Corberan, I don’t understand the attraction. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Tuesday at 18:52 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:52 1 minute ago, Sevvy said: Our lot seamed to get tired running out of the tunnel, Hopefully whoever takes over will make their first job assessing fitness levels - I reckon they'll be in for a rude awakening. It's all been far too pally pally and not treated with the professionalism needed judging by the way we run out of steam. As someone else pointed out Bmuff players run and chase for the whole game and are still going strong until the final whistle - they put us to shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted Tuesday at 18:52 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:52 27 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Shea Charles has become Kante since he got loaned out according to most on here. The drop in quality from Downes to him last season was astronomical. Loaning him out was absolutely the right thing to do, bringing in Les to replace him was not. He’s a kid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 18:53 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:53 I must admit Corberan is my least favoured choice. Not convinced he's markedly better than Martin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted Tuesday at 18:53 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:53 27 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Shea Charles has become Kante since he got loaned out according to most on here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted Tuesday at 18:55 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:55 2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said: It is Eustace we are chasing not Rohl. He’s doing a good job at Blackburn and did well at Birmingham. I wouldn’t be excited by his appointment but could see some sense in it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted Tuesday at 18:57 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:57 1 minute ago, UpweySaint said: He’s doing a good job at Blackburn and did well at Birmingham. I wouldn’t be excited by his appointment but could see some sense in it. I agree, he was sacked at Birmingham when they were doing well as they wanted to bring in Rooney (did SR advise them)? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted Tuesday at 18:58 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:58 I’m wondering if we’re trying to force Wednesday’s hand into accepting a negotiated lower compensation fee for Rohl by having these other names still in the frame. Presumably they’re skint and we really want him but are valuing at the 10 mill or whatever it really is and he wants to come. Rest is smoke and mirrors. Just a left field stab in the air theory. Can’t get excited about a manager with no experience of the English leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted Tuesday at 19:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:01 7 minutes ago, Toussaint said: He’s a kid Does that mean we should’ve kept him and played him? It’s exactly why he needed loaning out, he’s nowhere near ready to play in the Premier League, last year he wasn’t ready to play in the Championship. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted Tuesday at 19:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:01 7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I must admit Corberan is my least favoured choice. Not convinced he's markedly better than Martin. Why do you say that, I don’t know too much about him. He didn’t have the same level of resources that Martin enjoyed in the championship, but still gave it a go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted Tuesday at 19:04 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:04 (edited) 4 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Does that mean we should’ve kept him and played him? It’s exactly why he needed loaning out, he’s nowhere near ready to play in the Premier League, last year he wasn’t ready to play in the Championship. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have loaned him out, that’s exactly what we should have done. My point is as a lightweight 19 year old with very little experience it isn’t fair to compare him to Downes. He did start off well but got worse, it appeared his confidence dropped badly. My impression was he would become a very good player, which is why it doesn’t surprise me he is getting good reviews. Edited Tuesday at 19:06 by Toussaint Further context Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted Tuesday at 19:07 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:07 1 minute ago, Toussaint said: I’m not saying we shouldn’t have loaned him out, that’s exactly what we should have done. My point is as a lightweight 19 year old with very little experience it isn’t fair to compare him to Downes. He did start off well but got worse, it appeared his confidence dropped badly. It’s not comparing him to Downes, it’s just pointing out that when Downes was missing and he played instead the drop off was enormous. But numerous people on here are suggesting Russ was stupid to let him go on loan. Given that he wasn’t good enough in the Championship, i’m not sure why people think he’d have been good in the Premier League. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted Tuesday at 19:14 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:14 25 minutes ago, lambtiss said: Why are we allegedly so interested in Corberan, I don’t understand the attraction. Beard. Hipster choice MkII. Plus Spanish. And skinny jeans. (Extra points on the Rasmus hipster spectrum). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted Tuesday at 19:18 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:18 7 minutes ago, Toussaint said: I’m not saying we shouldn’t have loaned him out, that’s exactly what we should have done. My point is as a lightweight 19 year old with very little experience it isn’t fair to compare him to Downes. He did start off well but got worse, it appeared his confidence dropped badly. My impression was he would become a very good player, which is why it doesn’t surprise me he is getting good reviews. I agree Toussaint, I thought his natural role was as a strong, athletic, primarily defensive midfielder. I thought his confidence dipped when he was asked to play a different role I.e. ball retention which was not his natural strength. I think his defensive skills would have suited the PL better than the Championship,ironically. He certainly would have been a better opinion than Big Les who has done nothing after a few early cameos. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted Tuesday at 19:23 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:23 4 minutes ago, lambtiss said: I agree Toussaint, I thought his natural role was as a strong, athletic, primarily defensive midfielder. I thought his confidence dipped when he was asked to play a different role I.e. ball retention which was not his natural strength. I think his defensive skills would have suited the PL better than the Championship,ironically. He certainly would have been a better opinion than Big Les who has done nothing after a few early cameos. He also hardly got a run in his favoured position. It’s hard to come in and out of the team, playing in various positions (CB, RB, CM). I think there’s a very good player in there and his loan will have done him the world of good. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurru991 Posted Tuesday at 19:28 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:28 2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: To be honest, if the board are looking at another championship manager after Martin and Jones you would ever-so-slightly be questioning their competence. Lots of good young managers have come through the Championship !! It's all about picking the right one ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West end Saints Posted Tuesday at 19:30 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:30 28 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Does that mean we should’ve kept him and played him? It’s exactly why he needed loaning out, he’s nowhere near ready to play in the Premier League, last year he wasn’t ready to play in the Championship. To be fair, Downes has looked nowhere near ready to play in the premier league all season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted Tuesday at 19:30 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:30 2 hours ago, derry said: What we don't need is another smartass. Forget all the attendant crap, inverted fullbacks etc leaving acres of space for opponents to exploit. Basic football, full backs and centre backs that defend, holding midfielders that hold, attacking midfielders that attack, strikers that score goals, wingers that cross. Forget all the reest of the crap, keep it simple stupid. We haven't had any of that this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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