New manager

[Appy]

28 minutes ago, Marching Halos said:

Just thought I mention the Martin's southampton beat rohl Sheffield 2-1 and then 4-0 the second game. Last season. 

The first game wasn’t Rohl and our squads are light years apart, what he’s done with them is remarkable, they were a rabble, I’m not completely sold on Rohl but he’s clearly an excellent coach. 

[OneMrsWallace]

I know very little about the names being mentioned and I feel a little bit panicked about the situation - so I'd argue I'm in the perfect position to sit on the recruitment panel 😂 

Edited Tuesday at 14:00 by OneMrsWallace

[trousers]

14 minutes ago, macca155 said:

I have more reservations about Rohl frankly but he was part of the best RH period, so there is that.

Actually, Rohl seemingly being in the frame is perplexing me somewhat. As you rightly say, he was part and parcel of the Ralph 'Gegenpress' era which, tactically, is the antithesis of the  possession based football that the club are supposedly wedded to now. What type of tactical approach has Rohl instilled at Sheff Wed? Has he changed his approach or is this a sign the club are u-turning on what they want to see on the pitch?

(Apologies if this has already been covered)

Edited Tuesday at 14:03 by trousers

[saintant]

if it is Rohl I wonder if we'll recall Shea Charles in January. He must be an improvement on our other defensive midfielders.

[saintant]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Actually, Rohl seemingly being in the frame is perplexing me somewhat. As you rightly say, he was part and parcel of the Ralph 'Gegenpress' era which, tactically, is the antithesis of the  possession based football that the club are supposedly wedded to now. What type of tactical approach has Rohl instilled at Sheff Wed? Has he changed his approach or is this a sign the club are u-turning on what they want to see on the pitch?

(Apologies if this has already been covered)

We live in hope.

[trousers]

Just now, saintant said:

if it is Rohl I wonder if we'll recall Shea Charles in January. He must be an improvement on our other defensive midfielders.

Almost inevitable I'd have thought 👍

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

He also got fired in the 1 non danish club he has managed at Mainz after winning 5 games in 24.

 

Fucking Lego would kill for a top flight record like that. 

[Toadhall Saint]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking Lego would kill for a top flight record like that. 

He’s gone now

[Dr. Kucho]

3 hours ago, CSA96 said:

Ivan Juric being linked again in Italy. Would make sense, as I'm sure he was supposedly on our wish-list in the Ralph/Jones/Selles season

I think talkSPORT initially said our shortlist was three managers, all foreign and two out of work

In which case would make sense if it is: Rohl, Hjumland, Juric

Don’t know much about Juric’s managerial skills and the football he sets his teams up to play, but read in an article he’s a metal fan and names Carcas and Napalm Death among his favourite bands. Music wise that’s a yes from me.

[Toadhall Saint]

37 minutes ago, trousers said:

Actually, Rohl seemingly being in the frame is perplexing me somewhat. As you rightly say, he was part and parcel of the Ralph 'Gegenpress' era which, tactically, is the antithesis of the  possession based football that the club are supposedly wedded to now. What type of tactical approach has Rohl instilled at Sheff Wed? Has he changed his approach or is this a sign the club are u-turning on what they want to see on the pitch?

(Apologies if this has already been covered)

Press when you don’t have the ball. Keep it when you have the ball. Not sure they are opposed from one another.

[jasonbenali]

36 minutes ago, trousers said:

Actually, Rohl seemingly being in the frame is perplexing me somewhat. As you rightly say, he was part and parcel of the Ralph 'Gegenpress' era which, tactically, is the antithesis of the  possession based football that the club are supposedly wedded to now. What type of tactical approach has Rohl instilled at Sheff Wed? Has he changed his approach or is this a sign the club are u-turning on what they want to see on the pitch?

(Apologies if this has already been covered)

If Rohl can bring back the Ralph Gengenpress, or even better the slightly more organised Slot version of it at Liverpool, then I'd be up for it. As Ralph showed, it can be effective against better teams whereas the possession at all costs just doesn't work when you have worse players. Whether we have the squad to implement it is another matter but we don't have the squad to play the way we do at the moment and it's a lot more entertaining to watch, so bring on the 4-5s.

[Toussaint]

44 minutes ago, trousers said:

Actually, Rohl seemingly being in the frame is perplexing me somewhat. As you rightly say, he was part and parcel of the Ralph 'Gegenpress' era which, tactically, is the antithesis of the  possession based football that the club are supposedly wedded to now. What type of tactical approach has Rohl instilled at Sheff Wed? Has he changed his approach or is this a sign the club are u-turning on what they want to see on the pitch?

(Apologies if this has already been covered)

Are the club wedded to it or was it just the Wilcox / Martin  thing? I don't know who, currently at the club, would know enough about football to be wedded to any ideology other tan arresting the terminal decline.  

[Chewy]

My understanding is that Rohl likes to press as a rule; tactically he tends to set up 4231 as well. But he’s been flexible on both, playing 343 often, and playing a low block when needed.

It’s exactly this sort of flexibility and pragmatism that I’m more interested in than a ‘philosophy’. Any philosophy becomes an issue when it’s fixated on - Ralph’s preference for Moi because he was good off the ball is as ludicrous to me as RMs preference for Bazunu in goal because he can pass. They were both sh1t at the bits of play I cared about.

As a rule I prefer the press over possession-for-the-sake-of it football, so preferred Ralph to RM when it was going well, but I don’t want someone wedded to a philosophy whatever it might be. 

[Strangely Brown]

59 minutes ago, saintant said:

We live in hope.

I live in expectation, we must be neighbours 😊

[OttawaSaint]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

So after having a go at the board for their poor choices, you suggest we go for…….. Mark Robbins 😂

I'd prefer Tim Robbins. Already got a big escape in his CV.

[Rohl With It]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Actually, Rohl seemingly being in the frame is perplexing me somewhat. As you rightly say, he was part and parcel of the Ralph 'Gegenpress' era which, tactically, is the antithesis of the  possession based football that the club are supposedly wedded to now. What type of tactical approach has Rohl instilled at Sheff Wed? Has he changed his approach or is this a sign the club are u-turning on what they want to see on the pitch?

(Apologies if this has already been covered)

As a Wednesday fan I would say our current style falls between the two.  Realistically I don't think we have the players to truly play the way Danny would like hence we are a bit of a hybrid.  

Strat of the season we were pressing high and harrying big style but that has dropped off.  We do change formations a lot during games and he generally uses all his subs. 

As our record shows we are a better away side than home as really struggle put sustained attacking impetus together and better on the counter really hence the recent away results.  We have won 1 in 7 at home and the football has been pretty drab. 

I have no doubt Danny will go very high in the game but in reality without your previous link you would not be looking at him as an option.

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Hjulmand for me would be the obvious choice. Similar to Russell in terms of style of play but just a bit better and more refined.

Why the obvious choice?  Failed the only time he ventured outside the shit Danish leagues.

[saintant]

18 minutes ago, Chewy said:

My understanding is that Rohl likes to press as a rule; tactically he tends to set up 4231 as well. But he’s been flexible on both, playing 343 often, and playing a low block when needed.

It’s exactly this sort of flexibility and pragmatism that I’m more interested in than a ‘philosophy’. Any philosophy becomes an issue when it’s fixated on - Ralph’s preference for Moi because he was good off the ball is as ludicrous to me as RMs preference for Bazunu in goal because he can pass. They were both sh1t at the bits of play I cared about.

As a rule I prefer the press over possession-for-the-sake-of it football, so preferred Ralph to RM when it was going well, but I don’t want someone wedded to a philosophy whatever it might be. 

That's a big plus as far as I'm concerned.

[Lighthouse]

11 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

I'd prefer Tim Robbins. Already got a big escape in his CV.

I think crawling through 500 yards of sh*t smelling foulness is a great metaphor for this season.

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking Lego would kill for a top flight record like that. 

you are going to need to change your avatar now bro.

If its Rohl can I suggest, same high hair and germans love walking in the woods on weekends

Edited Tuesday at 15:36 by Convict Colony

[CSA96]

 

[Midfield_General]

35 minutes ago, Chewy said:

My understanding is that Rohl likes to press as a rule ✅

tactically he tends to set up 4231 as well ✅

But he’s been flexible on both ✅

playing 343 often ✅

and playing a low block when needed ✅

If that’s accurate then I’m sold. Get him in. 

(Apparently this sort of simple competence is the depressingly basic level to which my standards have been lowered)

[Convict Colony]

46 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Are the club wedded to it or was it just the Wilcox / Martin  thing? I don't know who, currently at the club, would know enough about football to be wedded to any ideology other tan arresting the terminal decline.  

Yeah I dont think they are.

We've gone from the following under their guidance and i think Rasmus's input maybe a little bit tarnish with Dragan.

High Press - ralph

Long ball - best manager in europe

High Press - Selles

Posession - Lego

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Actually, Rohl seemingly being in the frame is perplexing me somewhat. As you rightly say, he was part and parcel of the Ralph 'Gegenpress' era which, tactically, is the antithesis of the  possession based football that the club are supposedly wedded to now. What type of tactical approach has Rohl instilled at Sheff Wed? Has he changed his approach or is this a sign the club are u-turning on what they want to see on the pitch?

(Apologies if this has already been covered)

This is what Co-Pilot has spewed out in answer to that question...

Quote

 

Danny Rohl's tactical approach at Sheffield Wednesday is characterized by a few key elements:

1. High Pressing and Intensity: Rohl has instilled a high work rate and unit cohesion in his team, focusing on pressing the opposition effectively. His players close down opponents at the right moments, often using a narrow pressing group to disrupt the opposition's play.

2. Positional Play: Rohl emphasizes the importance of positioning, ensuring that players occupy specific areas on the pitch to make it difficult for opponents to press them. This approach involves players recognizing and filling unoccupied positions, which helps in maintaining possession and creating attacking opportunities.

3. Inverted Wing-Backs: One of the noticeable tactical tweaks under Rohl is the use of full-backs in more central positions ahead of the centre-halves. This strategy aims to make the team harder to break down and forces the opposition to think more about their approach.

4. Adaptability and Flexibility: Rohl's tactics are adaptable, allowing the team to play through the centre, around the opposition, or exploit spaces between the lines depending on the situation. This flexibility makes it challenging for opponents to predict and counter Sheffield Wednesday's play.

5. Building a Clear Identity: Despite some criticism of naivety, Rohl is committed to building a clear identity for the team. He focuses on a positive, attacking style of play, even against stronger opponents, to develop a consistent and recognizable approach.

Overall, Rohl's tactical approach combines high pressing, intelligent positioning, and adaptability, aiming to create a cohesive and dynamic team capable of competing effectively in the Championship.

 

Point 2 appears to fulfil the possession requirement, but point 3 worries me because we've shown we really don't have the players to play inverted full backs. Or perhaps we do, it's just that Russ didn't actually know how to implement it properly.

[Wade Garrett]

5 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Yeah I dont think they are.

We've gone from the following under their guidance and i think Rasmus's input maybe a little bit tarnish with Dragan.

High Press - ralph

Long ball - best manager in europe

High Press - Selles

Posession - Lego

Didn’t see much high press under Selles.  Saw loads of slow crab football but that was about it.

[Convict Colony]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Didn’t see much high press under Selles.  Saw loads of slow crab football but that was about it.

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/selles-rues-pressing-and-possession

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23353298.selles-drawn-hasenhuttl-principles-aims-improve-attack/

[saintant]

6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

This is what Co-Pilot has spewed out in answer to that question...

Point 2 appears to fulfil the possession requirement, but point 3 worries me because we've shown we really don't have the players to play inverted full backs. Or perhaps we do, it's just that Russ didn't actually know how to implement it properly.

This is known as hitting the nail on the head.

[BERMUDASAINT]

Ralf and Russ, both extreames in terms of thier football philosophy.

Ralf was press at all cost, even wanting players to hoof the ball forward, giving up possesion  so we could press high up and win the ball in the oponents danger area to create chances.

He was tactically too obsessed with this, and we continually got caught with player out of position high up and leaving our defence too exposed.

I remember after a few seasons,  Tella told us how the team spent all summer working on the Ralf press even harder. Press was THE thing, blind to the exposure it left our defense!

I had trouble understanding his extreme press philosophy, but did see results as it did provided us with a fit, agressive team that could compete with the big teams with an inferior sqaud to them. 

Russ was the complete opposite, possesion at all cost. The very first game was the introduction to Russ style, we were a far better team but happy to keep possesion and not attack a team that was there for the taking?

Russ possesion based obsession was a other extreame i had to try to undestand, as it seemed to inflict unnessesary pressure on our defense, especially when teams pressed us agressivly.

He did not waiver and coached possesion as a possesed man. Another inflexible coach inflicting unnessary defeats.

SR, PLEASE pick a coach that can adapt to the opponents, who are not a one trick pony. 🙏🙏🙏🙏

 

[Appy]

2 hours ago, macca155 said:

Tad harsh your Lordship. Robins was very well regarded at Coventry, and their fans are pretty bemused as to why he was sacked.

Obviously an appointment for the Championship, where we are almost certainly heading, but I like his style of football and he wouldn't be the worst appointment.

I have more reservations about Rohl frankly but he was part of the best RH period, so there is that.

Him being part of the best Ralph period is a myth isn’t it? The best Ralph periods were from November 2019 to around February 2020, then during project restart, Rohl was long gone. 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

I guess Wed fans will be a bit narked if this is true so will likely set up a feisty fixture in the Championship next season.

[east-stand-nic]

It is Eustace we are chasing not Rohl. 

[Saint86]

Ralph was quality and struggled with a lack of backing and fundamentally a decent striker. Form with ings was basically top 4 over 38 games. Form without ings and with broja (or worse without even him) was poor... But anyone would have struggled with that team.

Ralph got the most out of the players we had (see ings, jwp, kwp stu etc. ) and he and semmens spent fairly wisely (even with both hands tied behind their backs financially) - tino, kwp, and the groundwork on the lavia signing stand out in particular). Rohl was a part of that earlier on, so I would be fairly welcoming to reverting back to it and bringing him in.

The biggest shame in all this is that SR sacked the best manager of their tenure when he has us in touching distance of staying up and that was deapite long running injuries to many of his key players (kwp, tino, lavia, abk, salisu etc) in our relegation season. They spent £160M whilst undermining Ralph's squad and coaching setup, then binned him off to give Jones a crack. What a joke of mismanagement.

Ralph really was playing with the bare bones that year...  Or maybe that's disengenuous? We did spend 160M to give him the likes of Sulemana and Mara... No replacement for romeu or ings though... What's worse is lego head has binned of alcaraz for archer and BBD. Just unreal 😩

Edited Tuesday at 16:03 by Saint86

[trousers]

7 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

It is Eustace we are chasing not Rohl. 

Source?

[saintwbu]

6 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Ralph was quality and struggled with a lack of backing and fundamentally a decent striker. Form with ings was basically top 4 over 38 games. Form without ings and with broja (or worse without even him) was poor... But anyone would have struggled with that team.

Ralph got the most out of the players we had (see ings, jwp, kwp stu etc. ) and he and semmens spent fairly wisely (even with both hands tied behind their backs financially) - tino, kwp, and the groundwork on the lavia signing stand out in particular). Rohl was a part of that earlier on, so I would be fairly welcoming to reverting back to it and bringing him in.

The biggest shame in all this is that SR sacked the best manager of their tenure when he has us in touching distance of staying up and that was deapite long running injuries to many of his key players (kwp, tino, lavia, abk, salisu etc) in our relegation season. They spent £160M whilst undermining Ralph's squad and coaching setup, then binned him off to give Jones a crack. What a joke of mismanagement.

Ralph really was playing with the bare bones that year...  Or maybe that's disengenuous? We did spend 160M to give him the likes of Sulemana and Mara... No replacement for romeu or ings though... What's worse is lego head has binned of alcaraz for archer and BBD. Just unreal 😩

Sulemana came after Ralph had gone. Ralph got Edozie and Mara as attacking options that summer if I remember rightly. SR have picked up some great talent since their arrival, but they’ve got a complete blind spot when it comes to forwards it seems - Mara, Edozie, Sulemana, Tall Paul, Brereton-Diaz, Ross Stewart, Cameron Archer all making little to no impact since their arrival.

 

Also to add Alcaraz was replaced by Fernandes really, which I think most would agree is a substantial upgrade.

Edited Tuesday at 16:08 by saintwbu

[WALK DMC]

A Portuguese colleague has just messaged me to tell me that Vasco Matos the Santa Clara manager has been linked to us in the Portuguese sports pages this afternoon. I know that he has been mentioned here by 1-2 people as a possible replacement for RM. Nothing more than a rumour at this stage. 

[Sheaf Saint]

17 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

I guess Wed fans will be a bit narked if this is true so will likely set up a feisty fixture in the Championship next season.

Just got this from a Wendy fan friend of mine...

[capitalsaint]

The various claims on owlstalk:

“My god will everyone chill

 

Danny is not going anywhere 

 

An enquiry was made about the fee needed to talk to him 

 

Southampton said NO

 

They are now trying to get him to do a Bruce and he is refusing to do so

 

 

He took training I am told and was asked by players what's going on 

 

He told them he is committed to seeing the season out”

 

They claim that we’re going with Hjulmand, based on a “Well placed source who works in Media relations for Southampton”

 

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/335365-russel-martin-sacked-we-should-be-worried/page/30/#comments

[Pamplemousse]

38 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

 

I've got that account blocked so presumably is one of those click batty accounts

[Appy]

Is Tartan Owl around? 

[Costa del Solent]

1 minute ago, Pamplemousse said:

I've got that account blocked so presumably is one of those click batty accounts

Click batty? Sign me up. 

[Saint86]

13 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Sulemana came after Ralph had gone. Ralph got Edozie and Mara as attacking options that summer if I remember rightly. SR have picked up some great talent since their arrival, but they’ve got a complete blind spot when it comes to forwards it seems - Mara, Edozie, Sulemana, Tall Paul, Brereton-Diaz, Ross Stewart, Cameron Archer all making little to no impact since their arrival.

 

Also to add Alcaraz was replaced by Fernandes really, which I think most would agree is a substantial upgrade.

Fair point on sulemana. All the meh attacking talent kind of blurs into one at this point.

I'd far rather have alcaraz, dibling, and fernandes truthfully. That is a tasty set of creative midfielders for most prem sides. Especially if you give them 2 solid defensive mids behind (even Downes and Charles would work reasonably well). Sadly we've wasted so much money on fluff, and lack the quality needed... I would personally have loved to have seen charly and dibling playing together. Up until fernandes, I would argue alcaraz was the most talented and useful attacking player SR purchased (the only one of any merit actually), and he was criminally under used. I guess edozie might still come good at prem level, but honestly though... What was ralph meant to do with that team 😂🤣😭

 

Edited Tuesday at 16:20 by Saint86

[skintsaint]

5 minutes ago, capitalsaint said:

 

 

An enquiry was made about the fee needed to talk to him 

 

Southampton said NO

 

I'm pretty sure there is no fee to 'talk' to him.

[Lord Duckhunter]

If somebody wants to press with our walking footballers, we’re fucked. 
 

What’s the obsession with a managers style. I’d prefer a manager to come into the club assess the players and then work out the tactics from there. 
 

 

[Harry_SFC]

25 minutes ago, capitalsaint said:

The various claims on owlstalk:

“My god will everyone chill

 

Danny is not going anywhere 

 

An enquiry was made about the fee needed to talk to him 

 

Southampton said NO

 

They are now trying to get him to do a Bruce and he is refusing to do so

 

 

He took training I am told and was asked by players what's going on 

 

He told them he is committed to seeing the season out”

 

They claim that we’re going with Hjulmand, based on a “Well placed source who works in Media relations for Southampton”

 

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/335365-russel-martin-sacked-we-should-be-worried/page/30/#comments

Trying the same thing with Rohl as they did with Martin then and that ended up being pretty messy! 

[Wade Garrett]

53 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/selles-rues-pressing-and-possession

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23353298.selles-drawn-hasenhuttl-principles-aims-improve-attack/

He might have said it, but I didn’t see it.  To be honest, it looks like he has swallowed a book on bullshit.

[VectisSaint]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

Almost inevitable I'd have thought 👍

Amusing really, how impressions change a year or so on. Charles was rubbished on here last season, though it was obvious to some that he is actually a very decent player. Almost no one here gave a toss about Rohl when he left, claiming he had no influence on Hassenhuttl. Yet here we are, bigging up both (not necessarily you Trousers). I actually don't think Rohl is what we need right now, and I also think it will take a miracle to turn our unfit mediocre squad into gangenpress (or whatever it's called) players. You can't instill fitness like that midseason. Basically we are f***** with the current squad who with a few notable exceptions are simply not good enough for the PL.

[beatlesaint]

10 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

If somebody wants to press with our walking footballers, we’re fucked. 
 

 

This is what annoys me, RM has overseen probably the unfittest squad in the league with his pitty patty getting nowhere slowly football.

His admirers tend to overlook that.

[notnowcato]

3 hours ago, Saintinnot said:

Rohl in talks 

 

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/danny-rohl-sheffield-wednesday-boss-in-ongoing-talks-with-southampton-about-replacing-russell-martin-4912319

Disappointed site is not called “T’ Yorkshire Post”

[SaintsFan86]

https://twitter.com/markmcadamtv/status/1869065085093822801?t=Js2U1v9I6EkZ6IJzUCCzSw&s=19

 

[derry]

What we don't need is another smartass. Forget all the attendant crap, inverted fullbacks etc leaving acres of space for opponents to exploit. Basic football, full backs and centre backs that defend, holding midfielders that hold, attacking midfielders that attack, strikers that score goals, wingers that cross. Forget all the reest of the crap, keep it simple stupid.

Edited Tuesday at 18:50 by derry