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1 minute ago, franniesTache said:

I have it on good authority the club do not think the rat faced little cunt is in anyway capable of being our manager, in fact the lack of options for interim managers was one of the reasons they held off on sacking Martin for so long (well that and money).

Personally i think - based on the press rather than people i know - that it'll be Rohl unless the compensation is too much.

No need for that sort of language re Lallana, I still hold him in high regard from his first spell with Saints where he never let us down, always gave 100% as I think he has (when he is fit) in his second stint.

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2 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

I have it on good authority the club do not think the rat faced little cunt is in anyway capable of being our manager, in fact the lack of options for interim managers was one of the reasons they held off on sacking Martin for so long (well that and money).

Personally i think - based on the press rather than people i know - that it'll be Rohl unless the compensation is too much.

I wonder if Rohls previous stint here will stop that before it even gets going. Whilst it was different owners, management and only a few players left it'll surely be on record somewhere. 

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42 minutes ago, aintforever said:

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Someone of his ilk would be great but I don’t think is around now.

Really wanted KK to be a Saints manager many years ago. Think it was during Lowe’s time after moving to St Mary’s, when other unlikely candidates included ‘Arry, and Ginanluca Vialli.

Not to be, Rupert knew best and I think we ended up with Stuart Gray (after Moyes turned us down).

Anyway, as far as Keegan is concerned the ship has well and truly sailed. Twenty years too late for him. 

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1 hour ago, Rohl With It said:

As a Wednesday fan we have feared Southampton looking for a new Manager as with Danny's previous links to your club thought there was a chance you would come calling what with his success over the last 12 Months.

Danny has done wonders at Wednesday and is hero worshipped but realistically the Club are built on quicksand under the ownership of Dejphon Chansiri and can certainly see even a relegation bound Saints as being a better more stable option for Danny to progress.    

What may put you off though is the compensation demands.  Rumour has it up to £10m.  If you are paying off RM at the same time could see you look at a free agent. 

Undoubtedly Danny is on the up and I reckon he will manage a Champions League Club at some point but just hoping he serves out his training at Wednesday for a while longer. 

Also clutching at straws but don't believe he would be in the running without the previous link.

 

Thanks for the insight, but I'm sorry, £10m compensation is wild and surely inaccurate. I can't see Rohl's agent agreeing to that figure

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10 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Thanks for the insight, but I'm sorry, £10m compensation is wild and surely inaccurate. I can't see Rohl's agent agreeing to that figure

It only took £4m to get the pound for pound best manager in Europe here, so £10m does seem far fetched.

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37 minutes ago, Badger said:

Someone of his ilk would be great but I don’t think is around now.

Really wanted KK to be a Saints manager many years ago. Think it was during Lowe’s time after moving to St Mary’s, when other unlikely candidates included ‘Arry, and Ginanluca Vialli.

Not to be, Rupert knew best and I think we ended up with Stuart Gray (after Moyes turned us down).

Anyway, as far as Keegan is concerned the ship has well and truly sailed. Twenty years too late for him. 

I think it was Lowe who turned Moyes down before he went to Everton 

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2 minutes ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

I think it was Lowe who turned Moyes down before he went to Everton 

Moyes wanted the job but Lowe insisted he couldn’t bring his back room team from PNE due to some shitty theory Rupert had in his head, being the ruddy faced dickhead that he is.

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Francis1947

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Reading all the posts on this thread ,I think there are two schools of thought in our strategy on who to replace Martin with.

The first is that we are already buggered so the search is on for the best bloke to manage us in the Championship next year with the aim of trying to get us ap again

I think the second is that we have a minuscule chance of still acquiring enough points to survive. Far fetched I know and it would have to break all records but I for one still have a little hope that it can be done.

Look I'm a Saints fan so forever the optimistic.

So if we still accept that it's not completely over  we need to appoint a man who knows how to eke out a draw or two and heaven forbid  maybe even a win.

Now if the new man can do this over say the next five games and the three or four sides above us are still struggling to acquire points we could start to put pressure on.

I do realise I'm grabbing at straws and we could and should have done this week's ago.

So for me, out of the possible available managers available it could be Moyes. He has experience of the Prem and has the nouse and savvyness of getting alot out of a mediocre set of players.

I wouldn't want it to be a long term appointment. Maybe just a one season one with a big bonus at the end if he succeeds.  Surely that would be worth it financially to our club.

We could then talk of ' projects ' and ' long term plans and goals '  later.

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The one advantage SR have, is that they have been in a similar position previously two years ago...with an all but relegated side and half a season left in which to save yourself and/or prepare for next season in the championship. They totally fucked it last time, getting the wrong man in, signing a load of shit for far too much money and then having to find another manager to go through the motions of completing the season.  Hopefully they learned some valuable lessons.

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6 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Moyes wanted the job but Lowe insisted he couldn’t bring his back room team from PNE due to some shitty theory Rupert had in his head, being the ruddy faced dickhead that he is.

That's my recollection also.

In fairness to Rupert here though, the backroom staff (Gray, Wigley and whoever) had shown loyalty to the club by not following Hoddle when he went to spurs, so RL felt some duty to them. On that score I think Lowe's stance was commendable, though unrealistic.

What I didn't agree with him on though was that he later took the view that by keeping the backroom staff in place it wouldn't need a major upheaval every time a manager leaves. That was pretty naïve.

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3 minutes ago, Chez said:

The one advantage SR have, is that they have been in a similar position previously two years ago...with an all but relegated side and half a season left in which to save yourself and/or prepare for next season in the championship. They totally fucked it last time, getting the wrong man in, signing a load of shit for far too much money and then having to find another manager to go through the motions of completing the season.  Hopefully they learned some valuable lessons.

Mr Football doesn't need to 'learn' from anyone. He gives the lectures to spread the knowledge.

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1 hour ago, aintforever said:

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If we are after an ex saint, then Djamel Belmadi is no longer the Algerian manager. Plenty of experience, none of it in English football management mind you. Beyond that, there is Pahars of course, back as an assistant of the Latvian national side. I have always liked the cut of Paul Tisdale' jib, now head of football operations at Celtic and personal favourite, Kevin Phillips, manager at National league side AFC Fylde.  

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8 minutes ago, Badger said:

Mr Football doesn't need to 'learn' from anyone. He gives the lectures to spread the knowledge.

genuinely don't know the senior structure at the club, so who is/are the decision makers when it comes the next manager appointment?

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2 hours ago, Turkish said:

I wonder if Rohls previous stint here will stop that before it even gets going. Whilst it was different owners, management and only a few players left it'll surely be on record somewhere. 

What happened with Rohl last time? I seem to remember you saying he left under a cloud... 

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1 hour ago, Saint Scott said:

Thanks for the insight, but I'm sorry, £10m compensation is wild and surely inaccurate. I can't see Rohl's agent agreeing to that figure

Would we not just have to pay him out of his contract? 

If my math is correct, that works out about 64k a week over 3 years. Not wildly unrealistic...?

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Not overwhelmed by Rohl.

He has managed 25 games and achieved nothing of note. He has never managed or played in the Premiership (albeit I know we are likely going down!).  He is also not going to be cheap (presumably).  Coming into the group at this juncture to see out the campaign doesnt feel like the job for a young and inexperienced manager.

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16 minutes ago, Dman said:

What happened with Rohl last time? I seem to remember you saying he left under a cloud... 

I wont say on here mate but remember when he left he disappeared for a while and people were asking where he was, no announcement from the club no communication etc, then finally a while later the club announced his departure? There was a reason for that, he didn't leave on good terms put it that way. Might be water under the bridge now but then again maybe not.

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4 minutes ago, chownie20 said:

Not overwhelmed by Rohl.

He has managed 25 games and achieved nothing of note. He has ever managed or played in the Premiership (albeit I know we are likely going down!).  He is also not going to be cheap (presumably).  Coming into the group at this juncture to see out the campaign doesnt feel like the job for a young and inexperienced manager.

Young championship manager.  Why not?  It has worked spectacularly well for Rasmus with Jones and Martin.  
 

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5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I wont say on here mate but remember when he left he disappeared for a while and people were asking where he was, no announcement from the club no communication etc, then finally a while later the club announced his departure? There was a reason for that, he didn't leave on good terms put it that way. Might be water under the bridge now but then again maybe not.

I imagine what he really did was too awful to comprehend, so I assumed he was dismissed for something like doing a Poyet in the changing room. Heard Cortese did something similar to Benali's pool.

 

Most importantly though, he knows the club

 

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I've seen a few excuses of 'PSR' and that may hamper us getting in someone who will require compo.... Would it not be an idea, given were fucked anyway, to just breach it take the points deduction this season? or does it not really work like that?

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6 minutes ago, Dman said:

I've seen a few excuses of 'PSR' and that may hamper us getting in someone who will require compo.... Would it not be an idea, given were fucked anyway, to just breach it take the points deduction this season? or does it not really work like that?

Obviously it doesn't work like that but if it did I'm incredibly intrigued to know your reasoning for breaching the rules to change a manager who isn't getting any points only to be deducted points?

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2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Obviously it doesn't work like that but if it did I'm incredibly intrigued to know your reasoning for breaching the rules to change a manager who isn't getting any points only to be deducted points?

hey Fabrice, did you get the stuff to Russ's house okay this morning?

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1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Moyes wanted the job but Lowe insisted he couldn’t bring his back room team from PNE due to some shitty theory Rupert had in his head, being the ruddy faced dickhead that he is.

Lowe thought that appointing football managers was like appointing managers in business.  You make appointments individually, not buy in a team.  This was why Moyes didnt come.  Lowe also believed in promoting through the ranks - hence Steve Wigley and Stuart Gray.  Again, common in business but very unusual in the world of football. 

I think that this season is gone.  Whoever we bring in has to be building for next season and try to move some of the deadwood on in January.  I just want to see a team that it well organised, playing to a sensible system and players giving their best.  Not much to ask really.  And enjoy a few games.

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13 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Obviously it doesn't work like that but if it did I'm incredibly intrigued to know your reasoning for breaching the rules to change a manager who isn't getting any points only to be deducted points?

eh? you've massively missed the point I was making. 

If we have to shop in bargain basket for his replacement, due to PSR rules, then would it not be better to take the hit (points) this season to get our desired option in - rather than someone because they're free. 

There are many, many reason why we were right to sack old lego head. 

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4 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

https://x.com/asmarcatr/status/1868689603395530821?t=JFMjj4w86OIjFoXQmh2-YA&s=19

Jesus, surely this isn't true. If it is, it's got Ankersen written all over it 😂

I live a short distance from Cardiff and know a few fans. His tenure in South Wales is about as appreciated by City fans to Nathan Jones time with us.

That said, they also like the prospect of Jones becoming their new manager. So I'm not sure their opinions are valid

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2 hours ago, Francis1947 said:

Reading all the posts on this thread ,I think there are two schools of thought in our strategy on who to replace Martin with.

The first is that we are already buggered so the search is on for the best bloke to manage us in the Championship next year with the aim of trying to get us ap again

I think the second is that we have a minuscule chance of still acquiring enough points to survive. Far fetched I know and it would have to break all records but I for one still have a little hope that it can be done.

Look I'm a Saints fan so forever the optimistic.

So if we still accept that it's not completely over  we need to appoint a man who knows how to eke out a draw or two and heaven forbid  maybe even a win.

Now if the new man can do this over say the next five games and the three or four sides above us are still struggling to acquire points we could start to put pressure on.

I do realise I'm grabbing at straws and we could and should have done this week's ago.

So for me, out of the possible available managers available it could be Moyes. He has experience of the Prem and has the nouse and savvyness of getting alot out of a mediocre set of players.

I wouldn't want it to be a long term appointment. Maybe just a one season one with a big bonus at the end if he succeeds.  Surely that would be worth it financially to our club.

We could then talk of ' projects ' and ' long term plans and goals '  later.

Eking out a draw or two and the odd win won't be enough

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17 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

https://x.com/asmarcatr/status/1868689603395530821?t=JFMjj4w86OIjFoXQmh2-YA&s=19

Jesus, surely this isn't true. If it is, it's got Ankersen written all over it 😂

this guy will be a fantastic appointment. I watch a lot of Turkish football. He Did really well at Fenerbache and alanyasor, plays a more aggressive, direct style of play than Russball. He took Cardiff to midtable last season and got sacked this season so although he failed in his only managerial job outside Turkey as we know failing is a GREAT thing. Im excited. 

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I’ve got my heart set on Rohl if I’m honest. I think he’s done a great job at Wednesday, the reaction of thier fans says it all. 
 

he’ll have us playing a much more entertaining (imo), direct style And I’d like to see what he can do with the tools he’d have at his disposal with us. 
 

I don’t think it’ll happen though, unfortunately. 

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OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

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3 hours ago, Turkish said:

I wonder if Rohls previous stint here will stop that before it even gets going. Whilst it was different owners, management and only a few players left it'll surely be on record somewhere. 

That's what concerns me. He's also probably still in contact with Ralph and I'm not sure Ralph will speak too highly of SR.

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