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2 hours ago, bpsaint said:

Unfortunately the whole time Rasmus is calling the shots I have zero faith in us making the right decision on who replaces Russ.

Maybe we’ll give Russ a few weeks to learn for his mistakes and then rehire him.

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Xai's answer - interesting that is also picked out Matos, will check out this Stephan guy as well

One's in green are ones we could get, expect the rest would either reject or their clubs wont let them leave mid season while they are in the hunt for promotion.

 

  • David Moyes: His extensive experience in the Premier League makes him an appealing choice for a team in immediate danger of relegation. His pragmatic approach could be beneficial for Southampton's current situation.
  • Michael Carrick: Currently at Middlesbrough, Carrick has shown promise in the Championship. If Southampton could secure his services, his tactical acumen and ability to implement an attractive style of play might be what they need to survive, despite the challenge of mid-season integration.
  • Carlos Corberan: Known for his work at West Bromwich Albion and previously at Huddersfield Town, Corberan has a reputation for tactical flexibility and improving teams. His experience could help Southampton navigate the remainder of the season.
  • Graham Potter: Although less likely due to his recent high-profile role at Chelsea and his current status as a free agent, Potter's philosophy and track record with Brighton suggest he could bring a fresh approach to Southampton's survival bid. However, his availability and willingness to take on a relegation fight are uncertain.
  • Danny Rohl: With connections to Southampton as Ralph Hasenhuttl's former assistant, Rohl's work at Sheffield Wednesday has shown promise. His familiarity with the club and the league might make him an interesting choice, though his experience as a head coach is still developing.
  • Mark Robins: His success with Coventry City in the Championship suggests he could adapt to the challenges of the Premier League. His teams are known for being well-organized and hard to beat, which are traits Southampton desperately need.
  • Julien Stephan and Vasco Matos: These are less known names in England but have been mentioned as potential candidates. Both are relatively inexperienced at the top level but have shown promise in France and Portugal, respectively, indicating Southampton might consider a long-term project with a younger manager if they're planning for beyond this season.
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16 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Xai's answer - interesting that is also picked out Matos, will check out this Stephan guy as well

One's in green are ones we could get, expect the rest would either reject or their clubs wont let them leave mid season while they are in the hunt for promotion.

 

  • David Moyes: His extensive experience in the Premier League makes him an appealing choice for a team in immediate danger of relegation. His pragmatic approach could be beneficial for Southampton's current situation.
  • Michael Carrick: Currently at Middlesbrough, Carrick has shown promise in the Championship. If Southampton could secure his services, his tactical acumen and ability to implement an attractive style of play might be what they need to survive, despite the challenge of mid-season integration.
  • Carlos Corberan: Known for his work at West Bromwich Albion and previously at Huddersfield Town, Corberan has a reputation for tactical flexibility and improving teams. His experience could help Southampton navigate the remainder of the season.
  • Graham Potter: Although less likely due to his recent high-profile role at Chelsea and his current status as a free agent, Potter's philosophy and track record with Brighton suggest he could bring a fresh approach to Southampton's survival bid. However, his availability and willingness to take on a relegation fight are uncertain.
  • Danny Rohl: With connections to Southampton as Ralph Hasenhuttl's former assistant, Rohl's work at Sheffield Wednesday has shown promise. His familiarity with the club and the league might make him an interesting choice, though his experience as a head coach is still developing.
  • Mark Robins: His success with Coventry City in the Championship suggests he could adapt to the challenges of the Premier League. His teams are known for being well-organized and hard to beat, which are traits Southampton desperately need.
  • Julien Stephan and Vasco Matos: These are less known names in England but have been mentioned as potential candidates. Both are relatively inexperienced at the top level but have shown promise in France and Portugal, respectively, indicating Southampton might consider a long-term project with a younger manager if they're planning for beyond this season.

The latter two some prat on social media suggested. No one had heard of them until they posted it last night.

May as well add Mr Blobby to the list.

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26 minutes ago, Marching Halos said:

Edin Terzic or Michel would be top of my list .

Terzic not in a job atm

 Michel harder to get but more our style

Michel is the favourite to take over from Pep at City (whenever that might be), he is well out of our league. So is Terzic in all honesty. 

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Chewy

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2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Rohl would be a mistake imo.  Too many parallels with Martin.  Currently sitting 9th in the Championship and conceded 6 at home v Watford.

If he hadn’t been an ex-employee nobody would be talking about him.

 

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Spot on. Never understood the love-in with Danny Rohl.

Not sure there’s a love-in, but there is an element of truth in that there’s be a lot less noise about him without his prior spell here. But that’s probably just because without it we wouldn’t know anything about him so he’d seem an odd choice.

Knowledge of him means some have watched how his career has developed and are so far impressed. His football style is mainly about aggressive pressing, a la Ralph - IMHO the best football period here since Koeman. And as a match-goer that’s important to me. He does, however, appear more flexible and pragmatic than Ralph, adapting his formation quite a lot. I like that too.

He took over a virtually relegated Sheff Wed and saved them last year with no funds and turned that around quickly without months of blaming scar tissue, refs, fans or the lack of funds. Ok, nobody is saving us from relegation but stopping the rot quickly would be good.

He’s continued over-performing this season; by rights they should be struggling again but are currently on the fringes of the play-offs, despite being skint.

He coaches well (Shea Charles looks like player of the season material, seemingly not good enough for our team last year), organizes well, plays decent football, is flexible and as I have a link to Wednesday I follow them a bit - their fans are seriously impressed.

He’s got the right sort of profile for SR (that doesn’t bother me but it’s a factor in judging what’s realistic).

And finally I think he’s attainable. We are down. We won’t be offering a manager the chance to show off their credentials as a premier league manager for 18 months (discounting 6 months in the league overseeing our relegation). But if managed remotely well, we should be promoted next season. Our squad and budget will make us a strong contender next year. 
Experienced people will know we’re down and will know it’s a long project. Just think how many better premier league jobs will become available in the next 18 months. There’s already one more attractive position today so no one with a big name is coming here now - maybe if we’d acted after the Bournemouth result but not now.

Someone however will fancy using us as the route to being a premier league manager in 18 months time. Someone young, confident and someone who would enjoy having cash to spend on it too. Rohl is approaching this January having to make an extra push for the play-offs by selling and loaning in - his club are skint and he’s over achieving. They have virtually no chance of offering him a crack at the premier league and we do.

 

Id be a lot less aware of some of this if he hadn’t coached here before but I think the points are still very valid. It’s also fair to say there may be a few others equally plausible who I know nothing about so he’s not my “only him” candidate. But I think he’s an attractive, attainable and plausible option given our predicament and his circumstances 

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Fabrice29

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It won’t be Rohl for a variety of reasons. Maybe sadly.

I’m enjoying the ‘build for next season’ brigade. As if we didn’t go through 3 managers and still appoint a new one for the Championship last time we were in the PL. Either you believe we’re relegated now and we appoint for short term damage management or you believe it’s still doable and we appoint someone crazy enough to believe that too. Nobody is coming in here to lose lots of games only to remind people in the interviews ‘yes I know we lost again but can you remember it’s about next season please?’

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38 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Julien Stephan and Vasco Matos: These are less known names in England but have been mentioned as potential candidates. Both are relatively inexperienced at the top level but have shown promise in France and Portugal, respectively, indicating Southampton might consider a long-term project with a younger manager if they're planning for beyond this season.

Stephan would be consistent with the possession based style of play SR want to pursue.

 

Other then the usual suspect, Niko Kovac, Roger Schmidt, Rudi Garcia, my money is on Mark van Bommel, it feels very SR-y (and not in a good way)

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To counter my Corberan point earlier, the more I think about it, the more I believe it SR won't want to pay a release clause/compensation again.

Terzic would have been a good option (still would be) if we had a better chance of survival. Plays 4-3-3 (IMO our best formation) and is available. Can't se eit happening though.

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16 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

It won’t be Rohl for a variety of reasons. Maybe sadly.

I’m enjoying the ‘build for next season’ brigade. As if we didn’t go through 3 managers and still appoint a new one for the Championship last time we were in the PL. Either you believe we’re relegated now and we appoint for short term damage management or you believe it’s still doable and we appoint someone crazy enough to believe that too. Nobody is coming in here to lose lots of games only to remind people in the interviews ‘yes I know we lost again but can you remember it’s about next season please?’

If your employers had any interest in trying to stay up this season they’d have acted weeks ago. We are done. We hopefully won’t lose every week but we are not winning enough games to amass the required number of points to survive. Not unless 3 clubs get docked 50 points.

Doing that as a planned damage limitation will waste 6 months - unless it is purely to tide us over because our preferred option would be interested in the summer but not now. If we’re down, IMHO we are better off using the time on the future.

Disappointing if Rohl isn’t an option but let’s hope Rasmus is nowhere near the recruitment process and we can find someone decent, with a full quota of marbles and absolutely no ingrained footballing philosophy 

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6 minutes ago, Chewy said:

If your employers had any interest in trying to stay up this season they’d have acted weeks ago. We are done. We hopefully won’t lose every week but we are not winning enough games to amass the required number of points to survive. Not unless 3 clubs get docked 50 points.

Doing that as a planned damage limitation will waste 6 months - unless it is purely to tide us over because our preferred option would be interested in the summer but not now. If we’re down, IMHO we are better off using the time on the future.

Disappointing if Rohl isn’t an option but let’s hope Rasmus is nowhere near the recruitment process and we can find someone decent, with a full quota of marbles and absolutely no ingrained footballing philosophy 

I have come round to the Rohl idea but my suspicions are mainly based on the more money it would cost. They haven’t been shy of paying what they need to on managers in the past to be fair, Ralph, Jones x 2, Martin x 2, but  do they keep doing that? Also don’t know enough about Rohls in possession style to know if it really suits the way the whole club is set up. 

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3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Rohl would be a mistake imo.  Too many parallels with Martin.  Currently sitting 9th in the Championship and conceded 6 at home v Watford.

If he hadn’t been an ex-employee nobody would be talking about him.

9th in the championship, with that Sheff Weds side is an incredible achievement. They're a basket case.. even worse than us. 

Martin was having sides who should have been challenging for promotion mid-table, this is absolutely not the same. 

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2 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Spot on. Never understood the love-in with Danny Rohl.

 

3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Rohl would be a mistake imo.  Too many parallels with Martin.  Currently sitting 9th in the Championship and conceded 6 at home v Watford.

If he hadn’t been an ex-employee nobody would be talking about him.

Agree with Chewy on this. Rohls experience in fighting relegations and galvanising teams both here and at Sheffield Wednesday could be useful but even if you took those experiences away a German assistant with big club, big manager experiences and an analyst background is a lot of boxes a club like ours would want to tick if it’s looking for an unknown but potentially quality manager.

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1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

The latter two some prat on social media suggested. No one had heard of them until they posted it last night.

May as well add Mr Blobby to the list.

Vasco Matos has been mentioned before and would be an excellent choice though probably neither available or on the radar of the clowns at SR.

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I imagine the posts after the next pretty random appointment will be along the lines of...

''We have to give him a chance''  ''Can't write him off straight away'' ''Let's see what he can do here, better squad than he had at x''

I couldn't even hazard a guess at who it will be, but it will be a name to unite the fan base in pure WTFness I'm sure.

I wouldn't trust SR to run a bath.

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11 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Vasco Matos or Danny Rohl would be exciting additions.

The hipsters choice. Almost as exciting as  when we HAD TO GET Paco Jemez despite the fact no one had heard of him or linked with the job he had a half decent record at a couple of tiny clubs in Spain. He had everything. Vasco Matos is this years version, a quick google search reveals a manager who ticks every hipster box. 

Portugese (or south European) ✅ (managers from here are cool again)

Success at a very small south European club ✅

An article analysing his tactics on the first page on google ✅

Desribed as a tactical genius in said article ✅

Handsome ✅

He is 100% the man for us. 

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Lets face it whoever comes in its a pretty low bar to be an improvement.

We are boring to watch, slow, not fit, bottom with 5 points after 16 games, ship goals for a past time, cant hit a barn door with a banjo and have a captain who hasnt got a brain but apparently has to play whenever available.

Bloody hell, my Gran could do better and she's been gone since 2006 !

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12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

The hipsters choice. Almost as exciting as  when we HAD TO GET Paco Jemez despite the fact no one had heard of him or linked with the job he had a half decent record at a couple of tiny clubs in Spain. He had everything. Vasco Matos is this years version, a quick google search reveals a manager who ticks every hipster box. 

Portugese (or south European) ✅ (managers from here are cool again)

Success at a very small south European club ✅

An article analysing his tactics on the first page on google ✅

Desribed as a tactical genius in said article ✅

Handsome ✅

He is 100% the man for us. 


read this and you know he'll gel with Sport Republic. 


Vasco Matos Promises Santa Clara Will Stay True to Their Identity at Alvalade - azscore.com

 

NB Santa Clara went on the beat Sporting 1-0 

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3 minutes ago, Nolan said:


read this and you know he'll gel with Sport Republic. 


Vasco Matos Promises Santa Clara Will Stay True to Their Identity at Alvalade - azscore.com

 

NB Santa Clara went on the beat Sporting 1-0 

No disrespect to Santa Clara but we should be able to offer him a massive pay rise. That should be enough for any decent manager, even if our chances of staying up are slim.

Maybe SR will promise a new manager transfer funds as well, we can dream.

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37 minutes ago, Turkish said:

The hipsters choice. Almost as exciting as  when we HAD TO GET Paco Jemez despite the fact no one had heard of him or linked with the job he had a half decent record at a couple of tiny clubs in Spain. He had everything. Vasco Matos is this years version, a quick google search reveals a manager who ticks every hipster box.

This argument is pointless—"nobody had heard of them until yesterday" is irrelevant. When booking a hotel for a holiday, do you always know the name beforehand? Of course not. You research based on your needs, budget, and preferences, then make a decision. Sometimes it’s a recommendation, and sometimes it’s a new discovery. This feels like being argumentative just for the sake of it. Idiotic. 

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1 minute ago, SaintLondon said:

This argument is pointless—"nobody had heard of them until yesterday" is irrelevant. When booking a hotel for a holiday, do you always know the name beforehand? Of course not. You research based on your needs, budget, and preferences, then make a decision. Sometimes it’s a recommendation, and sometimes it’s a new discovery. This feels like being argumentative just for the sake of it. Idiotic. 

What about if you suggested a hotel to a group of friends and immediately loads of them knew everything about it, had followed the hotel on trip advisor, knew everything about the level of service, standard of rooms, great quality of food, knew it was a brilliant hotel which was going to be perfect for you despite never staying in it themselves or knowing anyone who had until you mentioned you might book there?

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