New manager

[benjii]

Just seen Arigo Sacchi in Thornhill Greggs.

[gio1saints]

On 21/10/2024 at 21:43, OneMrsWallace said:

Surely the players can't be happy losing every week? Can't believe away from the training ground they're still buying in to his crap, maybe apart from his favourites. Moving him on now makes sense before it gets even worse, as unimaginable as that is - or not 😅

You think they might be? Of course they are not. You believe it’s shit tactics that’s why we are second bottom. Fine. Not going to even try argue that with you as clearly you e convinced yourself that only sacking Russell will make us avoid relegation- or worse - what is “ worse” by the way? Going into liquidation? Getting best 9-0 every week? Being uncompetitive every single match? 

Moving RM before “ it gets even worse” … hahahaha 

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

[Whitey Grandad]

6 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

You think they might be? Of course they are not. You believe it’s shit tactics that’s why we are second bottom. Fine. Not going to even try argue that with you as clearly you e convinced yourself that only sacking Russell will make us avoid relegation- or worse - what is “ worse” by the way? Going into liquidation? Getting best 9-0 every week? Being uncompetitive every single match? 

Moving RM before “ it gets even worse” … hahahaha 

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

His style will never be successful. Removing Martin is unlikely to make us avoid relegation. But at least we would have a chance.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

59 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

You think they might be? Of course they are not. You believe it’s shit tactics that’s why we are second bottom. Fine. Not going to even try argue that with you as clearly you e convinced yourself that only sacking Russell will make us avoid relegation- or worse - what is “ worse” by the way? Going into liquidation? Getting best 9-0 every week? Being uncompetitive every single match? 

Moving RM before “ it gets even worse” … hahahaha 

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

If Martin is still in charge at the beginning of next season after a pathetic relegation, you can bet that St Mary's will be less than half empty. 

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

You think they might be? Of course they are not. You believe it’s shit tactics that’s why we are second bottom. Fine. Not going to even try argue that with you as clearly you e convinced yourself that only sacking Russell will make us avoid relegation- or worse - what is “ worse” by the way? Going into liquidation? Getting best 9-0 every week? Being uncompetitive every single match? 

Moving RM before “ it gets even worse” … hahahaha 

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

“Shit” substitutions are costing us points. 

[coalman]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

I'm not sure our current style of offering our opponents shooting practice is something we want to turn into a dynasty.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

You think they might be? Of course they are not. You believe it’s shit tactics that’s why we are second bottom. Fine. Not going to even try argue that with you as clearly you e convinced yourself that only sacking Russell will make us avoid relegation- or worse - what is “ worse” by the way? Going into liquidation? Getting best 9-0 every week? Being uncompetitive every single match? 

Moving RM before “ it gets even worse” … hahahaha 

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

I think Rasmus sits every night with the film Moneyball on repeat and is convincing himself the same eventual, massive turn around achieved by sticking to the process will happen to us. It wont.

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

You think they might be? Of course they are not. You believe it’s shit tactics that’s why we are second bottom. Fine. Not going to even try argue that with you as clearly you e convinced yourself that only sacking Russell will make us avoid relegation- or worse - what is “ worse” by the way? Going into liquidation? Getting best 9-0 every week? Being uncompetitive every single match? 

Moving RM before “ it gets even worse” … hahahaha 

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

Fuck me Gio, you do spout some shite.

[madge]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we went for Stephen schumaker. Tactically aware, young and did a proper job on us last season. 

[Suhari]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

His style will never be successful. Removing Martin is unlikely to make us avoid relegation. But at least we would have a chance.

Showing some defensive organisation, effort and determination is all I want to see from Saints now. That'll give us a chance at least.

RM is not able to deliver this.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, gio1saints said:

You think they might be? Of course they are not. You believe it’s shit tactics that’s why we are second bottom. Fine. Not going to even try argue that with you as clearly you e convinced yourself that only sacking Russell will make us avoid relegation- or worse - what is “ worse” by the way? Going into liquidation? Getting best 9-0 every week? Being uncompetitive every single match? 

Moving RM before “ it gets even worse” … hahahaha 

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

It would be great if Martin turned it around, starting Saturday, and get enough points to keep us up.

If we were to narrowly miss out, there would at least be a decision to make.

As it stands, that single point isn't taking us past the record lowest total in the PL. It's fair to say that while  sticking with Martin might turn it round, so might bringing in a different manager capable of getting more than that. It's not as if Martin's point was the best anyone could do with those players. Martin's set up results in some of those unforced errors, the set up at corners and how we generate chances and defend. He is learning with the resources he has. But that simply might not be enough.

Lots of clubs want an identity and a distinctive style. But it's one built on success, in a results driven business. We may take a pragmatic approach as Brighton (who did stay up) or Norwich with Farke (moved him on in the end) did. But SR have shown with their changes, they won't do it indefinitely. The rat race is just where they want to be. Their budget means they have to look to do it differently. Relegation means another PSR hit, not to mention the other costs. Confidently thinking we'll come straight back is something a number of clubs in the Championship thought when they went down.

Edited October 24 by Holmes_and_Watson

[Doctoroncall]

3 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

True. Another way of looking at it is that as it stands we could get out of the bottom three by winning one game. That's how poor the four bottom teams are this season, not just us. 

Obviously we won't, but it's nice to dream. 

That is the only way we stay up, however, the other teams have something better than us so it would take a drastic shift away from what has happened so far to compete for 17th place. 

[Dman]

1 hour ago, madge said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if we went for Stephen schumaker. Tactically aware, young and did a proper job on us last season. 

Cheap, bog standard championship manager, massively uninspiring & not taking us to the next level (i.e completing to stay up)... yeah I wouldn't be surprised if the idiots running our clib went for him either. 

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, madge said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if we went for Stephen schumaker. Tactically aware, young and did a proper job on us last season. 

Wouldn’t be surprised either.  Would add to the line of shit managers appointed by SR.

[Dr. Kucho]

I can see SR going for Mitchell van der Gaag. Former assistant to Erik Ten Hag at MU, has coached at Ajax (youth) and has done a good job in the Netherlands at other clubs. Currently a free agent after leaving MU and wants to get back in to managing. 

And last but not least, he’s bald with a beard, so a resemblance to Pep.

[david in sweden]

53 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

I can see SR going for Mitchell van der Gaag. Former assistant to Erik Ten Hag at MU, has coached at Ajax (youth) and has done a good job in the Netherlands at other clubs. Currently a free agent after leaving MU and wants to get back in to managing. 

And last but not least, he’s bald with a beard, so a resemblance to Pep.

....... is that a recommendation, or a condemnation?...   Maybe he could get a job as Pep's doppelganger ...for the paparazzi's benefit .

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Fuck me Gio, you do spout some shite.

Indeed :

5 hours ago, gio1saints said:

You think they might be? Of course they are not. You believe it’s shit tactics that’s why we are second bottom.

'Second bottom' as if there is some kind of solace in us having let in 1 fewer goals than Wolves to avoid being bottom!  Somehow that makes us 'less shit' than them.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Indeed :

'Second bottom' as if there is some kind of solace in us having let in 1 fewer goals than Wolves to avoid being bottom!  Somehow that makes us 'less shit' than them.

Give it time. We haven’t played them yet.

[lhammondo]

I read that it'll cost ~£12m to get rid of RM? (Apologies if already posted). Now i see why SR are showing such 'loyalty', but it highlights again the stupidity of offering a new contract at the time.

[Doctoroncall]

12 minutes ago, lhammondo said:

I read that it'll cost ~£12m to get rid of RM? (Apologies if already posted). Now i see why SR are showing such 'loyalty', but it highlights again the stupidity of offering a new contract at the time.

A new contract is fine, it’s the terms of the contract that need scrutiny if that is true, especially in this results matter industry.  

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Indeed :

'Second bottom' as if there is some kind of solace in us having let in 1 fewer goals than Wolves to avoid being bottom!  Somehow that makes us 'less shit' than them.

I wish we were Wolves 

[Roo1976]

6 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If Martin is still in charge at the beginning of next season after a pathetic relegation, you can bet that St Mary's will be less than half empty. 

Nope dont agree with that,sorry but id be going a few more times ,cheaper tickets for one. If the team can keep a good core of players that dont jump ship and we can make a good fist of it, the crowds will pick up accordingly.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

50 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

Nope dont agree with that,sorry but id be going a few more times ,cheaper tickets for one. If the team can keep a good core of players that dont jump ship and we can make a good fist of it, the crowds will pick up accordingly.

With Martin still in charge though? 

[CB Fry]

9 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

What a load of bollocks.

We conceded 63 goals last season with one of the most expensive squads/wage bills. Under a manager that always concedes 60 goals every bloody season at whatever club.

We're currently conceding 3 a game no bother every match.

There's no dynasty or style to embed because he's a fucking shit manager.

 

Edited October 24 by CB Fry

[lhammondo]

3 hours ago, Doctoroncall said:

A new contract is fine, it’s the terms of the contract that need scrutiny if that is true, especially in this results matter industry.  

Yep, but that for me goes without saying. He wasn't out of contact as far as i remember so surely it had a performance bonus for promotion - why the need to further reward him? If we had stayed up (deliberate use of tense) then we could have given him a new contract.

[CB Fry]

Honestly the "we're bloody awful but that just means we're innovative and we will prove everyone wrong" thing is just the laziest forum trope going.

Maybe we are bloody awful. Not everything is the start of a redemption story.

The "everyone said Sadio Mane was shit and he proved everyone wrong" myth.

Edited October 24 by CB Fry

[Badger]

8 hours ago, madge said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if we went for Stephen schumaker. Tactically aware, young and did a proper job on us last season. 

When ? The home game v Stoke was at the end of the season when we were already in the play offs, and going through the motions. One of our more lacklustre performances. 
 

We beat his Plymouth team down there early season. 
 

I suspect he’ll go down in the record books of ‘was highly rated once’ but no one knows why now, along with the Cowley Brothers, Danny Wilson etc. 

[Turkish]

[Chewy]

28 minutes ago, Badger said:

When ? The home game v Stoke was at the end of the season when we were already in the play offs, and going through the motions. One of our more lacklustre performances. 
 

We beat his Plymouth team down there early season. 
 

I suspect he’ll go down in the record books of ‘was highly rated once’ but no one knows why now, along with the Cowley Brothers, Danny Wilson etc. 

more importantly, he has a particularly strong variant of the accent. Not quite Carragher, but almost. I’d genuinely rather listen to either RM talk about bravery and scar tissue or Nathan Jones talk whatever lunacy he dreamt up as our boss than someone speaking that monstrosity of an accent.

I am fully aware that basically makes me a racist.

[derry]

Martin really messed up on Saturday, his substitutions, Smallbone, Fraser FFS. The marking at the final corner. The lack of organisation allowing nine outfield players on the 6 yd line marking nobody. 

Anybody that thinks the ace non contact smallbone is an answer has a screw loose. Anybody who thinks Fraser trying to run five yds away from Fatawu is marking is deluded.  Defensively he hasn't got a clue. We should have been tight on Fatawu, Winks and the two centre backs to disrupt them, instead we gave them the freedom of the park.

Patently he didn't leave any mark on the players after the Ipswich stupidity as they wouldn't have dared not mark the players on the edge of the penalty area. If it had been me, bottles, boots, kit, trays and crates would have been flying off the walls and nobody would ever forget.

Martin is deluded if he thinks his pedestrian possession football in our own half is brave, stupid it might be but brave FFS. Watch Man City, lightning transition and most of the football in the final third as different as chalk from cheese.

 

Edited October 24 by derry

[verlaine1979]

10 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

Out of curiousity, how many years have you been watching Saints for? The idea that this pound-shop version of total football is worth a club of our stature risking multiple relegations is, frankly, absolutely fucking mental. Unless, of course, you've only been watching for a few years, in which case your naivety is maybe a bit more understandable. 

[tdmickey3]

10 hours ago, gio1saints said:

You think they might be? Of course they are not. You believe it’s shit tactics that’s why we are second bottom. Fine. Not going to even try argue that with you as clearly you e convinced yourself that only sacking Russell will make us avoid relegation- or worse - what is “ worse” by the way? Going into liquidation? Getting best 9-0 every week? Being uncompetitive every single match? 

Moving RM before “ it gets even worse” … hahahaha 

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

Fanboy in chief strikes again.
You are nearly as deluded as the man you here worship, your crazy defence of the indefensible is borderline madness.

Everyone and his dog can see this fiasco Martin is enforcing is never going to work , no matter how long you want to continue.

He needs to go, we know and if you take of your love of Martin blinkers for once you will see it.

He has to go before it’s too late to even have a chance

Sadly it seems that the club have the same view as you or are just utterly stupid, it’s beginning to look like the latter.

[Farmer Saint]

22 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Fanboy in chief strikes again.
You are nearly as deluded as the man you here worship, your crazy defence of the indefensible is borderline madness.

Everyone and his dog can see this fiasco Martin is enforcing is never going to work , no matter how long you want to continue.

He needs to go, we know and if you take of your love of Martin blinkers for once you will see it.

He has to go before it’s too late to even have a chance

Sadly it seems that the club have the same view as you or are just utterly stupid, it’s beginning to look like the latter.

Then why would you trust them to bring in a better alternative?

I think he should go IF we know we are going to be getting an upgrade.

Edited October 24 by Farmer Saint

[OneMrsWallace]

11 hours ago, gio1saints said:

You think they might be? Of course they are not. You believe it’s shit tactics that’s why we are second bottom. Fine. Not going to even try argue that with you as clearly you e convinced yourself that only sacking Russell will make us avoid relegation- or worse - what is “ worse” by the way? Going into liquidation? Getting best 9-0 every week? Being uncompetitive every single match? 

Moving RM before “ it gets even worse” … hahahaha 

Our best bet is to hope that this comes good eventually second half of season and a dynasty and style is irrevocably instilled into this club. If it takes a few relegation/promotion-relegations to do it better that than we join the rat race. 

So you're not going to argue with me and then you argue with me 🤣 If you honestly think a good business model is based on the hope we get promoted every time we get relegated, you have no understanding of the level of risk that involves. Good luck selling that financial model to the investors. However,you have inadvertently demonstrated that things could get worse. 

Edited October 24 by OneMrsWallace

[tdmickey3]

31 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Then why would you trust them to bring in a better alternative?

I think he should go IF we know we are going to be getting an upgrade.

I would be willing to roll the dice, if we carry on as we are it will be death by a thousand cuts.

Truth is they should have let Martin go at end of season, it was obvious his “style “ wouldn’t work in this league 

The conceding of so many goals in the championship should have been the first red flag.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

5 hours ago, lhammondo said:

I read that it'll cost ~£12m to get rid of RM? (Apologies if already posted). Now i see why SR are showing such 'loyalty', but it highlights again the stupidity of offering a new contract at the time.

I still can't believe SR gave RM a 3 year contract. In his position, he would have grasped a one year rolling contract. FFS, with four/five league games to go last year, we were looking all over the place. And he's not a footballer with a sell-on fee. Did we really think clubs would be clambering over themselves to get a piece of RM? 

If it costs half a Sulemana to replace him, it must make business sense to depart with him. I still think there's a lot of talent in our current squad and it's a squad capable of mid table anonymity with a half decent manager.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

I would be willing to roll the dice, if we carry on as we are it will be death by a thousand cuts.

Truth is they should have let Martin go at end of season, it was obvious his “style “ wouldn’t work in this league 

The conceding of so many goals in the championship should have been the first red flag.

I think getting us promoted gave him the right to try, but I do think he should go now.

[Wade Garrett]

57 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Then why would you trust them to bring in a better alternative?

I think he should go IF we know we are going to be getting an upgrade.

Who wouldn’t be an upgrade?  He’s fucking shite.

[Badger]

5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Who wouldn’t be an upgrade?  He’s fucking shite.

Let’s hope we’re not on a slippery slope to three managers again this season.

If anyone can appoint a downgrade, we can.

When Rasmus  unveils a 64 year old chain smoking Bulgarian manager with an average  record in their Second Division you might be looking back to RM’s time as a golden era. 
 

(Agree though - he’s out of his depth) 

Edited October 24 by Badger

[Farmer Saint]

29 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Who wouldn’t be an upgrade?  He’s fucking shite.

Why you don't you tell me who would be, that is attainable?

[Colinjb]

6 hours ago, lhammondo said:

I read that it'll cost ~£12m to get rid of RM? (Apologies if already posted). Now i see why SR are showing such 'loyalty', but it highlights again the stupidity of offering a new contract at the time.

I know that the financial implications are stopping us getting rid of him. This is one of the rarest of rare situations where I know something useful, and no, I cannot say how I know it. 

Sorry to be a tease.

Edited October 24 by Colinjb

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

I know that the financial implications are stopping us getting rid of him. This is one of the rarest of rare situations where I know something useful, and no, I cannot say how I know it. 

Sorry to be a tease.

Of course no fucker saw this coming on agreeing a new contract.
Perhaps we should pray for a Burley moment. The SFA get rid of Clark and pay some compensation to take him. 

[ally_uk]

Who here was excited when Sports Republic purchased us ? 

I certainly was thought it would be the start of us showing ambition and competing..... 

You got to admit it has been a cluster fuck of poor decision making one after the other.... 

It's embarrassing, Dragan needs to grow a set and kick some ass! Sack off Rasmus Sack off Martin 

Instill a experienced director of football. 

A Premiership capable manager who can steady the ship...

And whoever in handling scouting and player acquisition they can fk off aswell out recruitment recently has been absolutely shambolic......

 

 

 

[gurru991]

7 hours ago, lhammondo said:

I read that it'll cost ~£12m to get rid of RM? (Apologies if already posted). Now i see why SR are showing such 'loyalty', but it highlights again the stupidity of offering a new contract at the time.

Why would any freshly promoted team agree to that kind of contract, it's just ridiculous !!!

[lhammondo]

26 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

Why would any freshly promoted team agree to that kind of contract, it's just ridiculous !!!

Amen to that...

[SteveGc]

Moirinho issuing a come and get me plea to Southampton 😂

[Saint Fan CaM]

RM’s going nowhere. SR have and the club bigwigs have backed us into a corner so that financially it’s nigh on impossible to sack him. Not only that, I’m actually starting to believe that relegation is something they don’t fear with RM at the helm. I’m almost at a point of not caring now…the optimism has been drained from me since the Wembley day out…I watch games with little to no expectation of a win or even a draw. I really do think we’ll go down with the lowest points and worst GD in EPL history - we’re Saints, we love the infamy!

[Wade Garrett]

6 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why you don't you tell me who would be, that is attainable?

I’ve already given you the link to available managers.  Attainable depends on the terms offered.

[david in sweden]

9 hours ago, Badger said:

When ? The home game v Stoke was at the end of the season when we were already in the play offs, and going through the motions. One of our more lacklustre performances. 
 

We beat his Plymouth team down there early season. 
 

 

I watched that game and as I recall.....we made pretty hard work of that win  ( 94th minute goal by Adams  2-1 ). 

Didn't think Argyle were that convincing and we were still learning " Russball " and made it hard work for ourselves.

The rest of that season showed just how good Schumarker really was .   Martin still had the better side by end of season. 

[Weston Super Saint]

11 hours ago, lhammondo said:

Yep, but that for me goes without saying. He wasn't out of contact as far as i remember so surely it had a performance bonus for promotion - why the need to further reward him? If we had stayed up (deliberate use of tense) then we could have given him a new contract.

Presumably the 'performance bonus' for promotion was renegotiation of the terms given he would then be a PL manager.  Nothing unusual in that.

The whole 'it will cost £12m to get rid of him' bollocks is just that, bollocks.  No one knows the details of his contract.  For all we know there may be a 'break clause' after 10, 15, 20 games in charge depending on league position / points gained etc.  I'd take pretty much all contract 'knowledge' spouted on here with a huge sack full of salt.