New manager

[Matthew Le God]

8 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

So you have no opinions (as per).

Making claims without evidence isn't rational. Would you prefer to be irrational?

I have lots of opinions on Saints. There are more of my opinions on Saints publically available than probably any other person on the planet (that may sound like hyperbole but I can give justifying it a go). So to say "as per" is nonsense. 

[Wade Garrett]

Wolves knew straight away who they wanted as their new manager.

Meanwhile, at the circus……

[ErwinK1961]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Making claims without evidence isn't rational. Would you prefer to be irrational?

I have lots of opinions on Saints. There are more of my opinions on Saints publically available than probably any other person on the planet (that may sound like hyperbole but I can give justifying it a go). So to say "as per" is nonsense. 

“oohh look at me, I give my opinion to a computer game.”

[Appy]

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

Wolves knew straight away who they wanted as their new manager.

Meanwhile, at the circus……

We knew who we wanted when we sacked Ralph too and ended up with Jones, don’t mind if they take their time a bit if it avoids that. 

[lambtiss]

5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Making claims without evidence isn't rational. Would you prefer to be irrational?

I have lots of opinions on Saints. There are more of my opinions on Saints publically available than probably any other person on the planet (that may sound like hyperbole but I can give justifying it a go). So to say "as per" is nonsense. 

Are you unwell? 

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, ErwinK1961 said:

“oohh look at me, I give my opinion to a computer game.”

I do, which clearly counters the claim you made that I don't give my opinion on Saints.

Edited 19 December, 2024 by Matthew Le God

[Saints4Prem]

With the take over at Everton completed I wouldn't be surprised to see them sack Dyche and take Moyes back. I cannot see him coming to us.

[Appy]

Seems very odd that not a single journalist has a sniff of any of the names supposedly interviewed today. 

[Matthew Le God]

15 minutes ago, Appy said:

We knew who we wanted when we sacked Ralph too and ended up with Jones, don’t mind if they take their time a bit if it avoids that. 

They've had from August to mid December to come up with a succession plan. It wasn't working in August and didn't change through to December. Ideally they'd always have in mind some candidates if things go wrong, so should have had some ideas even before August.

Edited 19 December, 2024 by Matthew Le God

[BotleySaint]

1 hour ago, Chewy said:

Anyone else concerned that if it’s taking this long we might be appointing Rudi Skacel?

Has he even signed yet?

[Gingeletiss]

I see the forum bully’s are at it again.

[Appy]

6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

They've had from August to mid December to come up with a succession plan. It wasn't working in August and didn't change through to December. Ideally they'd always have in mind some candidates if things go wrong, so should have had some ideas even before August.

Yes, thank you for stating the obvious. 
 

I know what they could’ve done, merely pointing out a potential positive of not rushing it. 

[Wade Garrett]

23 minutes ago, Appy said:

We knew who we wanted when we sacked Ralph too and ended up with Jones, don’t mind if they take their time a bit if it avoids that. 

It won’t.  They’ll take their time and still appoint a ‘Jones’.

Mind you, Moyes price being slashed by the bookies.

 

[ErwinK1961]

24 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

I do, which clearly counters the claim you made that I don't give my opinion on Saints.

Massively overstating the ability of saints players on a make believe computer game isn’t something I’d be shouting about.

Going back to the original point, id be interested to know your opinion on;

- do you think someone, who has spent pretty much all their career in rugby performance, is suitable to be heading up football operations at a premier league football club?

- would you expect a head of football operations to be heavily involved in football decisions? E.g. picking and appointing a new manager?

- do you believe the current DOF has the credentials to successfully pick a manager?

- do you think the management at the top level of the club right now is acceptable? 

- what do you think about the SR ownership right now and do you think the club would benefit from having someone highly experienced in running a football club involved in day to day affairs at SFC?

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, SaintStinger said:

I'd rather take a punt on Röhl than Moyes if either were interested. Moyes has been mostly crap in the last decade, so the chance that he'll come good for us are slim. He'd be off once relegated too. Plus no one likes how his teams play either.

But Moyes is as pragmatic as fuck and that seems to carry weight with the Saintsweberatti. 

Edited 19 December, 2024 by notnowcato

[Lee On Solent Saint]

44 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Wolves knew straight away who they wanted as their new manager.

Meanwhile, at the circus……

I think that should read the Portuguese agent that they use knew straight away who Wolves wanted as their new manager.

[LeG]

Hjulmand makes sense. Not ITK.

[Baird of the land]

I’d be delighted if it was moyes. More concerned that a good manager like him won’t be interested in our situation.

[OneMrsWallace]

I have it on good authority the candidates today were:

Gregg Wallace, Harry Potter, Ted Lasso, Father Christmas (can you imagine singing 'Father Christmas red and white army' - and the Ted Bates statue. Tough choice. I'm going to lie down. 

Edited 19 December, 2024 by OneMrsWallace

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

38 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

But Moyes is as pragmatic as fuck and that seems to carry weight with the Saintsweberatti. 

You sound bitter.

Who would you like as our next manager?

[CB Fry]

40 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

But Moyes is as pragmatic as fuck and that seems to carry weight with the Saintsweberatti. 

You're not taking it well, are you?

[Saint86]

3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not true 🤨

Southampton fc doesn't have a formal director of football in place. 

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/meet-the-saints-leadership-team

 

 

[Give it to Ron]

3 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

You sound bitter.

Who would you like as our next manager?

Russel Martin?

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Just now, Give it to Ron said:

Russel Martin?

That's what I'm thinking 🙂

 

[ally_uk]

I'd take Moyes all day long. 

He knows the league, will get the team organised and install a bit of pride, bollocks and grit. 

Stability is what we need right now and someone who can offer qualities of leadership and experience. 

Possibly the best hope we have of remaining in the Premier league what isn't to like about it? Even if it's a short term contract until the end of season and review...... 

What's the alternative try to be clever and appointment a unknown entity at this level? We can't afford to continue to fuck around.... 

[Matthew Le God]

18 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Southampton fc doesn't have a formal director of football in place. 

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/meet-the-saints-leadership-team

Yes, it does.

Bitcon's job title is Director of football operations. Not only on his LinkedIn but a title that is also used on the club website for him.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-bitcon-444a753b?originalSubdomain=uk

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/2024-25-bbc-radio-solent-fans-forum?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=organic&utm_c

 

 

Edited 19 December, 2024 by Matthew Le God

[Saint86]

16 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Yes, it does.

Bitcon's job title is Director of football operations. Not only on his LinkedIn but a title that is also used on the club website for him.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-bitcon-444a753b?originalSubdomain=uk

 

The only evidence I can find for bitcon is that he was promoted from director of performance, to the title of "Head of Football Operations", nothing seemingly from the club indicates he is director of football and they consciously do not include him on their leadership page listing.

By the accounts I can find, the club chose not to hire a DoF and instead split wilcox's duties between Parsons, Mowbray, Martin, and Bitcon. With remaining influence from rasmus. 

Which to me means that we don't have anyone calling the shots directly, certainly not with a demonstrable good track record, and that we are basically relying on Mowbray's experience and ability (diluted down to a quarter / fifth - subject to rasmus) to chose the next manager.

 

Edited 19 December, 2024 by Saint86

[Master Bates]

20 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Yes, it does.

Bitcon's job title is Director of football operations. Not only on his LinkedIn but a title that is also used on the club website for him.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-bitcon-444a753b?originalSubdomain=uk

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/2024-25-bbc-radio-solent-fans-forum?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=organic&utm_c

 

 

Director of Football 'Operations' and Director of Football are 2 difference things.

Edited 19 December, 2024 by Master Bates

[Wiggles31]

Let’s be honest David Moyes is not coming here in a million years. He said the relegation with Sunderland was a career low. 
 

I still think Rohl is the most sensible choice. 

[Matthew Le God]

15 minutes ago, Master Bates said:

Director of Football 'Operations' and Director of Football are 2 difference things.

What difference do you think the one extra word makes? Lots of teams have DoFs but they don't all use the exact same job title wording.

[Appy]

5 minutes ago, Wiggles31 said:

Let’s be honest David Moyes is not coming here in a million years. He said the relegation with Sunderland was a career low. 
 

I still think Rohl is the most sensible choice. 

In fairness, if he came here, that relegation wouldn’t be his career low anymore, something to aim at. 

[Cascadia Saint]

11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

What difference do you think the one extra word makes? Lots of teams have DoFs but they don't all use the exact same job title wording.

 

Edited 19 December, 2024 by Cascadia Saint

[ErwinK1961]

10 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

What difference do you think the one extra word makes? Lots of teams have DoFs but they don't all use the exact same job title wording.

The irony of this is fantastic.

[Cascadia Saint]

11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

What difference do you think the one extra word makes? Lots of teams have DoFs but they don't all use the exact same job title wording.

Director of Football 'Operations' probably implies that he helps out with achilles tendon repairs and ACL reconstructions in-house rather than outsource to hospitals etc. Exactly the kind of forward thinking modern leadership a Prem club needs to be fair.

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

You sound bitter.

Who would you like as our next manager?

Nothing to be bitter about.  
None of the candidates fill me with any joy at all. 

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

The irony of this is fantastic.

How does that meet a definition of irony?

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

You're not taking it well, are you?

Not at all, I look forward to whatever lies ahead. 

[UpweySaint]

21 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

What difference do you think the one extra word makes? Lots of teams have DoFs but they don't all use the exact same job title wording.

I don’t like the pile on you often receive but I think you know you’re being pedantic here for the sake of being ‘right’. 
 

The sentiment is we had a director of football model similar to many clubs both nationally and internationally. We lost the person in post and did not fill the post. We have somebody in a post with a similar name but I don’t believe you genuinely believe the two are comparable in terms of relevant experience and responsibilities.

The remit of a DOF would have included overseeing recruitment of playing staff and a head coach. I would have expected that were a DOF such as Wilcox (or a viable replacement) in post we would have had robust contingency planning in the event Martin lost his job. They may have also acted as a critical friend while Martin was here and offered professional challenge that arguably Martin would have benefited from.

 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

15 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Nothing to be bitter about.  
None of the candidates fill me with any joy at all. 

But all would be a better bet than the constricting shite Martin had the team playing right?

[Osvaldorama]

It’s obvious we don’t have a proper DOF in place.

 

There is no coherent strategy in anything the club does. 

[saints-til-i-die]

Shambolic owners. It’s really poor. Little football experience. It’s either pure madness or arrogance.

[ErwinK1961]

15 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

How does that meet a definition of irony?

Cyborgs can’t compute irony, so appreciate it must be tough for you.

Incidentally, I notice you still haven’t responded to my questions on the running of the club, any thoughts / opinions on that? 

[Matthew Le God]

14 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

The remit of a DOF would have included overseeing recruitment of playing staff

'Head of recruitment' Darren Mowbray

[Matthew Le God]

7 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Cyborgs can’t compute irony, so appreciate it must be tough for you.

My suggestion was you don't understand the definition of irony, like the lyrics of the Alanis Morissette song where nothing she sings about is actually ironic!

Edited 19 December, 2024 by Matthew Le God

[Saint-Reece]

Really glad I read the last page or so of this thread. I was thinking something may have have happened this evening (that wasn’t MLG being MLG)🤣😂

[Wade Garrett]

I hope they’re not seriously considering Corberan.  We beat them 3 out of 4 last season and drew the other.  They’re not even in the play-off places at the moment and there is plenty of discontent towards the manager from the fans.

Wouldn’t touch him with the proverbial barge pole.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

In other news Corberan has come in to 2/1 favourite

[West end Saints]

8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

My suggestion was you don't understand the definition of irony, like the lyrics of the Alanis Morissette song where nothing she sings about is actually ironic!

Suggestion...

Rather than your current debate...

Of all of the linked potential managers , as you are into research, what are their pros and cons, who do you feel are likely and who would you want?

[ErwinK1961]

13 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

My suggestion was you don't understand the definition of irony, like the lyrics of the Alanis Morissette song where nothing she sings about is actually ironic!

Still ignoring the question then?

[Appy]

4 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

In other news Corberan has come in to 2/1 favourite