New manager

[Saint_clark]

People will laugh at this but I'd genuinely be over the moon with Roy Keane. He's a champion of discipline, keeping it simple, being adaptable and playing to your players strengths.

 

Looking at properly out there suggestions...do we think Ten Haags stock has fallen low enough that he'd take a punt on us? Xavi is still without a club? 

Edited 17 December, 2024 by Saint_clark

[ally_uk]

I still think we should try to bring in someone like Moyes or Rafa Benitez. Someone with a bit of experience in this league and can immediately instill a bit of bollocks and resilience.

[bangkoksaint]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

People will laugh at this but I'd genuinely be over the moon with Roy Keane. He's a champion of discipline, keeping it simple, being adaptable and playing to your players strengths.

 

Looking at properly out there suggestions...do we think Ten Haags stock has fallen low enough that he'd take a punt on us? Xavi is still without a club? 

You’ve had a late night…….get some sleep, you deserve it!!

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

People will laugh at this but I'd genuinely be over the moon with Roy Keane. He's a champion of discipline, keeping it simple, being adaptable and playing to your players strengths.

 

Looking at properly out there suggestions...do we think Ten Haags stock has fallen low enough that he'd take a punt on us? Xavi is still without a club? 

knows more about us due to THB marrying his daughter.

I think we have the makings of a rumour

[AlexLaw76]

The ex Denmark manager would be classic saints (ie, a no hoper who will do well to last 12 months)

[Give it to Ron]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The ex Denmark manager would be classic saints (ie, a no hoper who will do well to last 12 months)

It’s a bit much saying no hoper for someone who has managed his country and did well but I wouldn’t trust SR with my heating allowance 🙂

[ally_uk]

You gotta Rohl with it..... 

[Nolan]

I have to say appointing Hjulmand would very comparable to Stanimir Stoilov at Göztepe.

both former players with international Management pedigree with nothing to prove, just experience.

While no direct premiership experience managing Hojbjerg and Vestergaard, Schmeichal and lots of other Premier League players means he would have very good knowledge of the league.

Could be an interesting appointment if it happens. 

[SfcPhil]

Steve Cooper would be up there on my list, but I don't think he's who we'll ultimately go for, as SR will try to be clever.

From wiki:

"Cooper likes his teams to play with "good organisation and structure". He prefers his teams to control the game by being brave on the ball and confident when passing. Cooper coaches his teams to have tactical discipline; defensively, he prefers his players to regain possession through composure and aggression."

He's also got a lot of Championship experience, taking Swansea to the playoffs twice and also Forest, where he won promotion.

He's also out of a job, so that ticks another box.

Getting over 11 points and moulding this team into something that resembles competitive are the two targets until the end of the season, so we're not asking for much. 

[Master Bates]

4 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

People will laugh at this but I'd genuinely be over the moon with Roy Keane.

We're not laughing, we all accept your drug and alcohol issues. 

[eurosaint]

Rusk versus the Dippers 😁

There's gotta be a connection there, best response takes the biscuit 😉

[Mr X]

Seriously this next managerial appointment is last chance saloon for sports republic! They have been horrific at choosing managers... Get the right person in and we can eventually build towards being a stable premier league club in three years time.... Get the wrong person in... As I suspect they will and we won't just be playing in the championship! 

[Marsdinho]

Not sure if already mentioned. This would be typical Saints.....Rusk gets a bit of a new manager uplift and picks up a few results in the next few games. 

SR will then give him until the end of the season to prove himself. If he miraculously keeps us up, he gets a longer contract on better terms. If (when) we go down, we get rid and recruit someone better in the summer.

[AlexLaw76]

2 hours ago, Give it to Ron said:

It’s a bit much saying no hoper for someone who has managed his country and did well but I wouldn’t trust SR with my heating allowance 🙂

I believe Gareth Southgate would be a no hoper, and he is about to be Knighted

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

I have to say appointing Hjulmand would very comparable to Stanimir Stoilov at Göztepe.

both former players with international Management pedigree with nothing to prove, just experience.

While no direct premiership experience managing Hojbjerg and Vestergaard, Schmeichal and lots of other Premier League players means he would have very good knowledge of the league.

Could be an interesting appointment if it happens. 

Fair enough, but personally I think he’d likely be the final nail in the coffin for the Sport Republic Southampton experiment. Pretty much the polar opposite of what the club currently needs to stabilise and improve. 

[CSA96]

Ivan Juric being linked again in Italy. Would make sense, as I'm sure he was supposedly on our wish-list in the Ralph/Jones/Selles season

I think talkSPORT initially said our shortlist was three managers, all foreign and two out of work

In which case would make sense if it is: Rohl, Hjumland, Juric

[iansums]

21 minutes ago, Marsdinho said:

Not sure if already mentioned. This would be typical Saints.....Rusk gets a bit of a new manager uplift and picks up a few results in the next few games. 

SR will then give him until the end of the season to prove himself. If he miraculously keeps us up, he gets a longer contract on better terms. If (when) we go down, we get rid and recruit someone better in the summer.

But that never happens to us does it?

[64saint]

I see John Terry has been thrown into the frame for the vacant Oxford job, just waiting now for him to be linked to us, if he hasn't already !! 

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, 64saint said:

I see John Terry has been thrown into the frame for the vacant Oxford job, just waiting now for him to be linked to us, if he hasn't already !! 

Even Sport Republic wouldn't be that stupid.... ah... hang on....

[Dusic]

Hjulmand comes across very well as an Intl manager. Would that translate to club?

 

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Ivan Juric being linked again in Italy. Would make sense, as I'm sure he was supposedly on our wish-list in the Ralph/Jones/Selles season

I think talkSPORT initially said our shortlist was three managers, all foreign and two out of work

In which case would make sense if it is: Rohl, Hjumland, Juric

Did pretty well at a few smaller Italian clubs, weird going on at Genoa where we was appointed and sacked 3 times by them in two years. Most recently sacked by Roma after taking them over when they were bottom of Serie A, sacked after 12 games, winning 4 and drawing 3. Got a few failures under his belt so all good.

[Chewy]

I don’t know enough about the potential candidates to get too emotionally involved about whoever they decide on, but I sincerely hope they don’t let money be the deciding factor (within reason of course!).

This appointment needs to be right with the aim of starting season 26/27 back promoted with a good squad, good coach, sound tactics and a fair chance of re-establishing ourselves in this league.

We tried cheap with Selles and he was a lamb to the slaughter.

And for the sake of SR it needs to be a PR success. You can never guarantee any manager will be the right choice, but if they don’t make an appointment that has us on side they’re on a hiding to nothing.
They’ve not received a fraction of the fans’ ire they truly deserve. Come up with a meh appointment, or one who’s too arrogant or too mental like some of the recent attempts and when it goes wrong there will be no patience and little holding back I suspect.

Hjulmand to me looks pretty meh and cheap. I doubt I’m alone in that assessment.

We’ve had a Wednesday supporter on here telling us Rohl will manage in the Champions League - we had Swansea supporters on here when RM was appointed telling us he was tactically inflexible and defensively terrible. Chalk and cheese in the feedback.

Please can we just go and get the one who is more likely to be good, one we can get excited and positive about immediately? I know it’s comparing apples and pears, but 10 million v the millions wasted on player recruitment is surely doable for the most important position at the club?

 

 

PS on another angle, is it worth doing a poll on who we want?

[trousers]

12 minutes ago, Chewy said:

I know it’s comparing apples and pears, but 10 million v the millions wasted on player recruitment is surely doable for the most important position at the club?

 

This is what I'll never get when it comes to manager recruitment... As you say, we'll merrily throw £10m here and £10m there at various bang average players who end up having zero impact on our destiny, yet we seemingly baulk at the notion of spending £10m on recruiting a 'higher level' manager. 

(Caveat: yes, I know it'll take more than money to persuade such a manager to come here, but surely it's better to try and fail than not try at all...)

Edited 17 December, 2024 by trousers

[CSA96]

 

[Hamwic]

The Times reporting this morning that Saints are considering Rohl but have yet to contact Sheffield Wednesday. 

[trousers]

Just now, Hamwic said:

The Times reporting this morning that Saints are considering Rohl but have yet to contact Sheffield Wednesday. 

Not surprising given it's only Tuesday 

[Hamwic]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Not surprising given it's only Tuesday 

Sorry, getting ahead of myself. 

[DT]

The real problem is Ankersen and this dallying with the thought of Mr ex-Demmark but no experience in the Prem is yet another indication that he is the turd we cannot flush. Dyche was the obvious best choice last time but oh no, Ankersen’s huge brain and bollocks algorithm knew better. Cue two disastrous appointments we are only now recovering from. Now his vanity seems to point to trying desperately to redo the fluke he managed with Thomas Frank with Hjulmand now. So sick of his shitness infecting the club. Swallow the pain, appoint Moyes. And give him cash. Or if you must, go for Rohl. If we go for Rusk or Lallana it’s all over. 

[Sarnia Cherie]

12 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

If Ankerson is involved then we are totally screwed,if we had got Shaun Dyche on board instead of Jones,we would probably not be in this mess now. Personally I hope that we go for Mark Robins, a manager who knows the championship inside out. Unfortunately no one currently at the club has the ability to make a decent call, I might opine. 

Personally I want a manager who knows the Premier League inside out. That's what we haven't had with any of SR's appointments. Things don't look good, I will grant you, but I for one am trying to think positive and hope that an experienced manager may just save us. 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

5 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

Personally I want a manager who knows the Premier League inside out. That's what we haven't had with any of SR's appointments. Things don't look good, I will grant you, but I for one am trying to think positive and hope that an experienced manager may just save us. 

As it stands we're on course to break Derby's points record.  I'd be pretty happy with a manager who comes in and brings some respectability to the season and sets us up for being competitive in the championship next season. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

53 minutes ago, Chewy said:

I don’t know enough about the potential candidates to get too emotionally involved about whoever they decide on, but I sincerely hope they don’t let money be the deciding factor (within reason of course!).

This appointment needs to be right with the aim of starting season 26/27 back promoted with a good squad, good coach, sound tactics and a fair chance of re-establishing ourselves in this league.

We tried cheap with Selles and he was a lamb to the slaughter.

And for the sake of SR it needs to be a PR success. You can never guarantee any manager will be the right choice, but if they don’t make an appointment that has us on side they’re on a hiding to nothing.
They’ve not received a fraction of the fans’ ire they truly deserve. Come up with a meh appointment, or one who’s too arrogant or too mental like some of the recent attempts and when it goes wrong there will be no patience and little holding back I suspect.

Hjulmand to me looks pretty meh and cheap. I doubt I’m alone in that assessment.

We’ve had a Wednesday supporter on here telling us Rohl will manage in the Champions League - we had Swansea supporters on here when RM was appointed telling us he was tactically inflexible and defensively terrible. Chalk and cheese in the feedback.

Please can we just go and get the one who is more likely to be good, one we can get excited and positive about immediately? I know it’s comparing apples and pears, but 10 million v the millions wasted on player recruitment is surely doable for the most important position at the club?

 

 

PS on another angle, is it worth doing a poll on who we want?

I gotta disagree .. rohl seems very much in the style of our last two appointments .. just cos he’s doing a Decentidh job at Wednesday who have very little expectations anyway doesn’t really count for any more then Jones did at Luton..  as we saw with Jones and Martin they both where miles away from making the step up ..

at least hjulmund has gotten Denmark to a semi final at a much higher level that alone is surely more impressive then what Rohl has achieved ?

[Lord Duckhunter]

13 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

If Ankerson is involved then we are totally screwed,if we had got Shaun Dyche on board instead of Jones,we would probably not be in this mess now. Personally I hope that we go for Mark Robins, a manager who knows the championship inside out. Unfortunately no one currently at the club has the ability to make a decent call, I might opine. 

So after having a go at the board for their poor choices, you suggest we go for…….. Mark Robbins 😂

[Dr. Kucho]

Don’t know if we were linked, but just popped up on LiveScore that Wolves are to hire Vitor Pereira from Al Shabab. 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Marsdinho said:

Not sure if already mentioned. This would be typical Saints.....Rusk gets a bit of a new manager uplift and picks up a few results in the next few games. 

SR will then give him until the end of the season to prove himself. If he miraculously keeps us up, he gets a longer contract on better terms. If (when) we go down, we get rid and recruit someone better in the summer.

Listen, if Rusk gets to the end of the season and keeps us up he will have proved beyond all doubt he has something about him and that will not suddenly vanish so he'll fully deserve a longer contract. The reality is this scenario is unlikely to happen but wouldn't it be fantastic if it did.

[saintant]

44 minutes ago, DT said:

The real problem is Ankersen and this dallying with the thought of Mr ex-Demmark but no experience in the Prem is yet another indication that he is the turd we cannot flush. Dyche was the obvious best choice last time but oh no, Ankersen’s huge brain and bollocks algorithm knew better. Cue two disastrous appointments we are only now recovering from. Now his vanity seems to point to trying desperately to redo the fluke he managed with Thomas Frank with Hjulmand now. So sick of his shitness infecting the club. Swallow the pain, appoint Moyes. And give him cash. Or if you must, go for Rohl. If we go for Rusk or Lallana it’s all over. 

He had little or no part in Brentford's rise under Thomas Frank because the brains doing all the heavy lifting belonged to Phil Giles. Ankersen is happy to let people believe he played a major role but he is just basking in reflected glory which should surprise nobody given how poorly he has done for our football club. He's part of our problem not the solution.

[saintant]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

Don’t know if we were linked, but just popped up on LiveScore that Wolves are to hire Vitor Pereira from Al Shabab. 

He's been appointed and fired at many clubs, like a lot of managers I guess. No surprise to see Wolves opt for a Portuguese coach.

[Football Special]

26 minutes ago, saintant said:

Listen, if Rusk gets to the end of the season and keeps us up he will have proved beyond all doubt he has something about him and that will not suddenly vanish so he'll fully deserve a longer contract. The reality is this scenario is unlikely to happen but wouldn't it be fantastic if it did.

If Rusk gets to end of the season and keeps us up then 3 other teams must have had 30 point + deductions , there's no other plausible scenario 

[Convict Colony]

26 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I gotta disagree .. rohl seems very much in the style of our last two appointments .. just cos he’s doing a Decentidh job at Wednesday who have very little expectations anyway doesn’t really count for any more then Jones did at Luton..  as we saw with Jones and Martin they both where miles away from making the step up ..

at least hjulmund has gotten Denmark to a semi final at a much higher level that alone is surely more impressive then what Rohl has achieved ?

He also got fired in the 1 non danish club he has managed at Mainz after winning 5 games in 24.

 

[Badger]

4 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

He also got fired in the 1 non danish club he has managed at Mainz after winning 5 games in 24.

 

if he wins 5 games with us at least it'll take us above the Derby record.

[Pamplemousse]

Hjulmand for me would be the obvious choice. Similar to Russell in terms of style of play but just a bit better and more refined.

[Oldandtired]

3 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Hjulmand for me would be the obvious choice. Similar to Russell in terms of style of play but just a bit better and more refined.

Is that really what we want? This season has completely alienated me from anything to do with Russball.

[Nolan]

4 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

Is that really what we want? This season has completely alienated me from anything to do with Russball.

We cant re-invent the wheel. we need to oil it and make sure it turns.

[Saintinnot]

Rohl in talks 

 

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/danny-rohl-sheffield-wednesday-boss-in-ongoing-talks-with-southampton-about-replacing-russell-martin-4912319

[Forester]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

This is what I'll never get when it comes to manager recruitment... As you say, we'll merrily throw £10m here and £10m there at various bang average players who end up having zero impact on our destiny, yet we seemingly baulk at the notion of spending £10m on recruiting a 'higher level' manager. 

(Caveat: yes, I know it'll take more than money to persuade such a manager to come here, but surely it's better to try and fail than not try at all...)

I take your point and agree, but the narrow answer to your question is “resale value” or “asset appreciation”

[Saint Scott]

It will be Hjulmand. Simply down to the Danish link with Wankerson and we won't have to pay out any compensation

[Marching Halos]

Just thought I mention the Martin's southampton beat rohl Sheffield 2-1 and then 4-0 the second game. Last season. 

[saintwbu]

2 minutes ago, Marching Halos said:

Just thought I mention the Martin's southampton beat rohl Sheffield 2-1 and then 4-0 the second game. Last season. 

Rohl was only in charge for the 4-0. Given we sent Shea Charles to him on loan i’d imagine it suggests we like him/the way he sets his teams up as seems Charles had more than one option. 

[macca155]

43 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Hjulmand for me would be the obvious choice. Similar to Russell in terms of style of play but just a bit better and more refined.

A lot of shuddering at the word similar but a point well made. Has international experience which will also help.

I'm still not sure though.

[beatlesaint]

43 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

Is that really what we want? This season has completely alienated me from anything to do with Russball.

To be honest Russball played at a much higher pace and with less fucking about in or on the edge of your own penalty area can be quite effective and dare say enjoyable. Unfortunately RM was not for budging even a little bit and more than contributed to his own downfall.

Edited 17 December, 2024 by beatlesaint

[macca155]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

So after having a go at the board for their poor choices, you suggest we go for…….. Mark Robbins 😂

Tad harsh your Lordship. Robins was very well regarded at Coventry, and their fans are pretty bemused as to why he was sacked.

Obviously an appointment for the Championship, where we are almost certainly heading, but I like his style of football and he wouldn't be the worst appointment.

I have more reservations about Rohl frankly but he was part of the best RH period, so there is that.