New manager

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Badger said:

Lineker, full of smug piety, as new Archbishop then. Sorted.

Or as new manager of Saints 😳

[Baird of the land]

When he goes I’m Still hoping for moyes or someone else similarly pragmatic.

 

[Charlie Wayman]

On 11/11/2024 at 13:07, Lord Duckhunter said:

That’s like staying married to a  4 Pinter, in case you pull a 9 Pinter next. It’s bizarre.

 

Are you really fron Earth or am I from Mars?

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 hour ago, Baird of the land said:

When he goes I’m Still hoping for moyes or someone else similarly pragmatic.

 

Am resigned to him staying now. If they were going to sack him, they would have done it Monday.

[Dellyears]

1 hour ago, Baird of the land said:

When he goes I’m Still hoping for moyes or someone else similarly pragmatic.

 

How is it that Brighton and Bournemouth have lost good managers and quickly find an even better one? They were not rich or powerful, they were not attractive high flyers yet they've left us behind

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, Dellyears said:

How is it that Brighton and Bournemouth have lost good managers and quickly find an even better one? They were not rich or powerful, they were not attractive high flyers yet they've left us behind

Because they are not being run by drooling morons.

[tdmickey3]

8 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Am resigned to him staying now. If they were going to sack him, they would have done it Monday.

Yep, that's how I see it we are going to drift to a pathetically low points score with this loser...

Deluded nut job employed by fools.

[S-Clarke]

13 hours ago, Dellyears said:

How is it that Brighton and Bournemouth have lost good managers and quickly find an even better one? They were not rich or powerful, they were not attractive high flyers yet they've left us behind

The fact that Bournemouth have surged in front of us is such a bad show for SR's tenure thus far.

Given our resources, reach, facilities etc there is no way a decent run club of our size should be allowing Bournemouth to move levels above us like they have. It's just rank poor management.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

11 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The fact that Bournemouth have surged in front of us is such a bad show for SR's tenure thus far.

Given our resources, reach, facilities etc there is no way a decent run club of our size should be allowing Bournemouth to move levels above us like they have. It's just rank poor management.

It's more than that. I'd call it shameful and embarrassing. The club's culture is just rotten from the top to the bottom. 

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

It's more than that. I'd call it shameful and embarrassing. The club's culture is just rotten from the top to the bottom. 

I don’t find it embarrassing to be honest but very disappointing.

[a1ex2001]

13 hours ago, Dellyears said:

How is it that Brighton and Bournemouth have lost good managers and quickly find an even better one? They were not rich or powerful, they were not attractive high flyers yet they've left us behind

Because they got lucky, we managed it for a while in the Adkins, Poch era eventually Brighton will get one wrong.

[S-Clarke]

15 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Because they got lucky, we managed it for a while in the Adkins, Poch era eventually Brighton will get one wrong.

Luck does come into it for sure, but there is also an element of having the right people in situ to identify the choices. 

We weren't unlucky that Jones or Selles didn't do well for us, they wouldn't have done well for anyone as they were shit picks. Ditto all of the transfers we've failed with recently. You'll have the odd bad pick for sure, but when all you have are bad picks then there's clearly something wrong somewhere.

[Saint Fan CaM]

10 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Luck does come into it for sure, but there is also an element of having the right people in situ to identify the choices. 

We weren't unlucky that Jones or Selles didn't do well for us, they wouldn't have done well for anyone as they were shit picks. Ditto all of the transfers we've failed with recently. You'll have the odd bad pick for sure, but when all you have are bad picks then there's clearly something wrong somewhere.

Absolutely this. Like any successful business operating at the highest level there needs to be a significant degree of competency in that particular arena. It’s been clear since the Kat L decided to sell off the lions share of her Fathers legacy, the clubs management team have stumbled from one fuck up to another piling dept upon dept leaving the finances in a terrible position.

It's little wonder there is no appetite to throw good money after bad sacking RM…they’re desperately clinging hold of the hope it will all come good in the end. I think now it’s most supporters opinion, based on the abject failures we’ve seen so far and his record with previous clubs, it won’t.

[Dellyears]

14 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Luck does come into it for sure, but there is also an element of having the right people in situ to identify the choices. 

We weren't unlucky that Jones or Selles didn't do well for us, they wouldn't have done well for anyone as they were shit picks. Ditto all of the transfers we've failed with recently. You'll have the odd bad pick for sure, but when all you have are bad picks then there's clearly something wrong somewhere.

Agree the managers have been bad picks, unbelievably absurd picks but some of the player recruitment has been excellent..Ramsdale, Fernandes, Harwood Bellis and the Suga guy should be a good basis for a Premier lg team but with a manger who imposes his way and doesn't develop the players talent, we are in a mess.

[Midfield_General]

On 13/11/2024 at 12:57, a1ex2001 said:

Because they got lucky, we managed it for a while in the Adkins, Poch era eventually Brighton will get one wrong.

It's hardly luck at Brighton. Tony Bloom, Brighton's owner, created and owns his own data analytics company with proprietary software and algorithms which he has been using to create competitive advantage since 2006. He has gained access to a depth of data and analysis that no-one else has access to, to consistently make informed decisions around player and manager recruitment. 

"Bloom owns Starlizard, a company he started in 2006 to beat the bookies by using the latest data and analytics tools to understand the sport. Starlizard has grown in the subsequent years and currently has around 200 employees. According to a betting industry insider, Bloom was using the expected goal modeling system well before anyone knew what it was, and is probably a decade ahead in terms of technology used to understand and break down the sport. Tony Bloom brought his exceptional modeling skills and acumen to Brighton to unearth and identify undervalued players all around the world, and grow them at the club into superstars."

https://medium.com/@vishbs/from-extinction-to-excellence-brightons-data-driven-triumph-977abe738c1c

Edited 15 November, 2024 by Midfield_General

[Zorba]

48 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

It's hardly luck at Brighton. Tony Bloom, Brighton's owner, created and owns his own data analytics company with proprietary software and algorithms which he has been using to create competitive advantage since 2006. He uses a depth of data that no-one else has access to, to consistently make informed decisions around player and manager recruitment. 

"Bloom owns Starlizard, a company he started in 2006 to beat the bookies by using the latest data and analytics tools to understand the sport. Starlizard has grown in the subsequent years and currently has around 200 employees. According to a betting industry insider, Bloom was using the expected goal modeling system well before anyone knew what it was, and is probably a decade ahead in terms of technology used to understand and break down the sport. Tony Bloom brought his exceptional modeling skills and acumen to Brighton to unearth and identify undervalued players all around the world, and grow them at the club into superstars."

https://medium.com/@vishbs/from-extinction-to-excellence-brightons-data-driven-triumph-977abe738c1c

I reckon he just nicked our black box.

[Wade Garrett]

3 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Absolutely this. Like any successful business operating at the highest level there needs to be a significant degree of competency in that particular arena. It’s been clear since the Kat L decided to sell off the lions share of her Fathers legacy, the clubs management team have stumbled from one fuck up to another piling dept upon dept leaving the finances in a terrible position.

It's little wonder there is no appetite to throw good money after bad sacking RM…they’re desperately clinging hold of the hope it will all come good in the end. I think now it’s most supporters opinion, based on the abject failures we’ve seen so far and his record with previous clubs, it won’t.

I think there is a lot of truth in that.  The issue the club has by not throwing good money after bad is that the fanbase will not accept it.

Edited 13 November, 2024 by Wade Garrett

[Midfield_General]

2 hours ago, Zorba said:

I reckon he just nicked our black box.

Except in their case it’s actually a real suite of software and tools that Bloom has successfully created and used for almost 20 years to make himself personally worth over £1.3bn, whereas what Les Reed used to smugly boast about always just felt like a slightly above average scouting network, dressed up in bullshit, and which coincidentally stopped working once we stopped being able to recruit elite managers like Poch and Koeman who had exceptional personal networks of talent they could plug the club into for the duration of their stay. 

Edited 13 November, 2024 by Midfield_General

[Wade Garrett]

25 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Except in their case it’s actually a real suite of software and tools that Bloom has successfully used for almost 20 years to make him personally worth over £1.3bn, whereas what Les Reed used to smugly boast about always just felt like a slightly above average scouting network, dressed up in bullshit, and which coincidentally stopped working once we stopped being able to recruit elite managers like Poch and Koeman who had exceptional personal networks of talent they could plug the club into. 

Les Reed, Rasmus, it seems we are a magnet for bullshit chancers.

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Les Reed, Rasmus, it seems we are a magnet for bullshit chancers.

Quote

Mauricio believes with the quality we have we can play exciting, attacking football, taking the game to our opponents by playing a high-intensity game. He will continue to develop and introduce young players whilst building on the core of experience that we have in the squad.

During the recruitment process Mauricio quickly became our first choice and, while he had other options, we are delighted he feels that St Mary’s is the right place for him and we believe he is the right fit for us.

 

Edited 13 November, 2024 by AlexLaw76

[Football Special]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

You have to laugh don't you, what a clown. 

What's worse is then backing that manager with a club record buy of Guido Carillo followed by shortly afterwards sacking the manager then eventually having to pay Carillo to leave. 

Really really poor management 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

It's hardly luck at Brighton. Tony Bloom, Brighton's owner, created and owns his own data analytics company with proprietary software and algorithms which he has been using to create competitive advantage since 2006. He uses a depth of data that no-one else has access to, to consistently make informed decisions around player and manager recruitment. 

"Bloom owns Starlizard, a company he started in 2006 to beat the bookies by using the latest data and analytics tools to understand the sport. Starlizard has grown in the subsequent years and currently has around 200 employees. According to a betting industry insider, Bloom was using the expected goal modeling system well before anyone knew what it was, and is probably a decade ahead in terms of technology used to understand and break down the sport. Tony Bloom brought his exceptional modeling skills and acumen to Brighton to unearth and identify undervalued players all around the world, and grow them at the club into superstars."

https://medium.com/@vishbs/from-extinction-to-excellence-brightons-data-driven-triumph-977abe738c1c

Are you telling me he's smarter than Rasmus? I find that hard to believe.

[lambtiss]

18 hours ago, Dellyears said:

How is it that Brighton and Bournemouth have lost good managers and quickly find an even better one? They were not rich or powerful, they were not attractive high flyers yet they've left us behind

Because they are stable with good ownership

[Miltonaggro]

18 hours ago, Dellyears said:

How is it that Brighton and Bournemouth have lost good managers and quickly find an even better one? They were not rich or powerful, they were not attractive high flyers yet they've left us behind

They didn't think a good recruitment strategy was to trawl the bargain basement of the English Championship looking for over polished turds.

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

Are you telling me he's smarter than Rasmus? I find that hard to believe.

Bloom = 100% data-driven. Result - has made himself into a billionaire and has taken a club from the brink of extinction and established them as a consistent top 8 and European contender. 

Rasmus = 100% bullshit-driven. Result - has made himself and the club he claims to lead into a laughing stock. 

[6ft8saint]

You kind of wish that Brighton would have offered him their job when they interviewed him

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

A few years ago, we used to sing the anthem: Sali....Salisu...Sali...Salisuuu. Used to hate it because you could tell he was a journeyman.

But I reckon I'll enjoy singing Danny....Danny Rohl....Danny...Danny Rohl... a lot more 😉

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, Zorba said:

I reckon he just nicked our black box.

SR did replace the nicked Black Box. It plays Ride on Time, giving them something to listen to while they turn the decision making tombola.

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

SR did replace the nicked Black Box. It plays Ride on Time, giving them something to listen to while they turn the decision making tombola.

Give them some credit, they are going to upgrade to a decision making chimpanzee and a dart board. 

[Gloucester Saint]

5 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Except in their case it’s actually a real suite of software and tools that Bloom has successfully created and used for almost 20 years to make himself personally worth over £1.3bn, whereas what Les Reed used to smugly boast about always just felt like a slightly above average scouting network, dressed up in bullshit, and which coincidentally stopped working once we stopped being able to recruit elite managers like Poch and Koeman who had exceptional personal networks of talent they could plug the club into for the duration of their stay. 

About the same financial clout as Dragan. Shows what recruiting the likes of Paul Barber, Graham Potter and De Zerbi can do, allied to the type of data system that is Real Madrid to Rasmus’s Netley Central FC. Maybe Lallana player manager, see how he does, and if it doesn’t work, still have him on the staff and go high profile in the summer, relative to the Championship.

But all contingent on Solak pulling his finger out and restructuring SR to get those two halfwits out of it. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Give them some credit, they are going to upgrade to a decision making chimpanzee and a dart board. 

Noone can accuse SR of not proactively responding to Tony Bloom's refinement of the Brighton scouting set up.

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, Football Special said:

You have to laugh don't you, what a clown. 

What's worse is then backing that manager with a club record buy of Guido Carillo followed by shortly afterwards sacking the manager then eventually having to pay Carillo to leave. 

Really really poor management 

You can only think there was a serious issue somewhere with him or Wilson, because nobody sane or sober is listening to an interview by Pellegrino and thinking we are getting up-tempo pressing football. More likely to ask all sharp objects in the vicinity at a safe distance. Carrillo was a dreadful mistake yet the Danish dunce makes the exact same mistake four years later with Jones and Onachu.

They won’t spend over £20m on a striker but they’ll piss away £40m combined on those two. Add in Sulemana at £22m, Ely at £17m, BBD £7m, Archer £14m (who I think will be alright actually). Quality over quantity has to be the learning. Mane, Tadic, they are £30-35m now at their 2014 development. 

Edited 13 November, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[richardc]

2 hours ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

A few years ago, we used to sing the anthem: Sali....Salisu...Sali...Salisuuu. Used to hate it because you could tell he was a journeyman.

But I reckon I'll enjoy singing Danny....Danny Rohl....Danny...Danny Rohl... a lot more 😉

ITK?

[coalman]

10 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Give them some credit, they are going to upgrade to a decision making chimpanzee and a dart board. 

I have it on good authority that the chimpanzee just accepted an offer from Jim Radcliffe to join Man Utds back room staff. It also had an offer from Todd Boehly to join Chelsea but thought there were too many monkeys there already.

[Osvaldorama]

15 hours ago, Football Special said:

You have to laugh don't you, what a clown. 

What's worse is then backing that manager with a club record buy of Guido Carillo followed by shortly afterwards sacking the manager then eventually having to pay Carillo to leave. 

Really really poor management 

Worst part is, he is still Albert Einstein compared to Rasmus at picking managers 

[Doctoroncall]

19 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Because they got lucky, we managed it for a while in the Adkins, Poch era eventually Brighton will get one wrong.

Why? Because a stopped clock is right twice a day?

it’s time to realise that there are smart owners around that will do well and create a platform to go to the next level. They reduce the risk of a bad outcome/mistake in the future. And I bet they learn from any mistakes whereas we have those that repeat them. 
 

how else is bloom able to grow his various businesses into a billion pounds? No idea of the Bournemouth owner, but he seems to have the ability to spot people that can excel. 

[Roo1976]

21 hours ago, Football Special said:

You have to laugh don't you, what a clown. 

What's worse is then backing that manager with a club record buy of Guido Carillo followed by shortly afterwards sacking the manager then eventually having to pay Carillo to leave. 

Really really poor management 

and it hasnt really improved since then has it,yes maybe some better times ,but quite often especially now not.

[Wade Garrett]

5 hours ago, Doctoroncall said:

Why? Because a stopped clock is right twice a day?

it’s time to realise that there are smart owners around that will do well and create a platform to go to the next level. They reduce the risk of a bad outcome/mistake in the future. And I bet they learn from any mistakes whereas we have those that repeat them. 
 

how else is bloom able to grow his various businesses into a billion pounds? No idea of the Bournemouth owner, but he seems to have the ability to spot people that can excel. 

We piss all over Bournemouth and Brighton for possession.

And we’re fucking brave as well.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

8 hours ago, coalman said:

I have it on good authority that the chimpanzee just accepted an offer from Jim Radcliffe to join Man Utds back room staff. It also had an offer from Todd Boehly to join Chelsea but thought there were too many monkeys there already.

There's a vacancy on the club website for someone who knows how to put up a dart board.

[DT]

We can go and get Carsley now, can’t we? 😉

[Wade Garrett]

42 minutes ago, DT said:

We can go and get Carsley now, can’t we? 😉

That’s why he picked Bellis 😉

[Miltonaggro]

11 hours ago, DT said:

We can go and get Carsley now, can’t we? 😉

That's a genuinely interesting proposition.  Ankersen and Phil Giles at Brentford promoted Carsley from development squad coach to first team manager in 2015, with Paul Williams (ex SFC) as his assistant. Acting as caretaker whilst Dean Smith finalised his move.  My work colleague who is a Bees nut reckons this was a massive error as Carsley was a clear revelation and Brentford should have stuck with him - 10 games - 5W 2D 3L (50% win rate).  Other club roles only as caretaker but 80% win rate for England U21s.   Not sure if the Ankersen / Brentford connection means much or whether a positive or negative seeing as what a terminal bell-end Ankersen is, but Carsley seems to have something about him as a football manager.  Wish to fuck SFC would try it.     

[Give it to Ron]

12 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

That's a genuinely interesting proposition.  Ankersen and Phil Giles at Brentford promoted Carsley from development squad coach to first team manager in 2015, with Paul Williams (ex SFC) as his assistant. Acting as caretaker whilst Dean Smith finalised his move.  My work colleague who is a Bees nut reckons this was a massive error as Carsley was a clear revelation and Brentford should have stuck with him - 10 games - 5W 2D 3L (50% win rate).  Other club roles only as caretaker but 80% win rate for England U21s.   Not sure if the Ankersen / Brentford connection means much or whether a positive or negative seeing as what a terminal bell-end Ankersen is, but Carsley seems to have something about him as a football manager.  Wish to fuck SFC would try it.     

Last night was one of the best England performances for years for me. 
Brave selection, reigns off , freedom to express and forward at pace.

[Weston Super Saint]

13 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

That's a genuinely interesting proposition.  Ankersen and Phil Giles at Brentford promoted Carsley from development squad coach to first team manager in 2015, with Paul Williams (ex SFC) as his assistant. Acting as caretaker whilst Dean Smith finalised his move.  My work colleague who is a Bees nut reckons this was a massive error as Carsley was a clear revelation and Brentford should have stuck with him - 10 games - 5W 2D 3L (50% win rate).  Other club roles only as caretaker but 80% win rate for England U21s.   Not sure if the Ankersen / Brentford connection means much or whether a positive or negative seeing as what a terminal bell-end Ankersen is, but Carsley seems to have something about him as a football manager.  Wish to fuck SFC would try it.     

No hair.

No beard.

Wears tracksuits.

Doesn't vape like a cunt.

I'm out.

[Miltonaggro]

8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

No hair.

No beard.

Wears tracksuits.

Doesn't vape like a cunt.

I'm out.

Wade's 'vape like a cunt' criteria which underwrites the internal recruitment policy is really starting to hurt us.  This is why we need a proper Director of Football.

[Ted Bates Statue]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

That's a genuinely interesting proposition.  Ankersen and Phil Giles at Brentford promoted Carsley from development squad coach to first team manager in 2015, with Paul Williams (ex SFC) as his assistant. Acting as caretaker whilst Dean Smith finalised his move.  My work colleague who is a Bees nut reckons this was a massive error as Carsley was a clear revelation and Brentford should have stuck with him - 10 games - 5W 2D 3L (50% win rate).  Other club roles only as caretaker but 80% win rate for England U21s.   Not sure if the Ankersen / Brentford connection means much or whether a positive or negative seeing as what a terminal bell-end Ankersen is, but Carsley seems to have something about him as a football manager.  Wish to fuck SFC would try it.     

He turned down Brentford, not the other way around. Really doesn't seem to care for the limelight.

[Convict Colony]

41 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

He turned down Brentford, not the other way around. Really doesn't seem to care for the limelight.

we are perfect then 

[Badger]

I thought Carsley was rumoured to be going to Coventry (if he doesn’t return to the U21’s)

[skintsaint]

16 minutes ago, Badger said:

I thought Carsley was rumoured to be going to Coventry (if he doesn’t return to the U21’s)

Fat Frank the favourite...

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

26 minutes ago, Badger said:

I thought Carsley was rumoured to be going to Coventry (if he doesn’t return to the U21’s)

I would imagine Wolves are keeping an eye on him, he's from the midlands, would probably have some appeal. If you don't have to live there...