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coalman

coalman

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  On 24/10/2024 at 20:57, tdmickey3 said:

I would be willing to roll the dice, if we carry on as we are it will be death by a thousand cuts.

Truth is they should have let Martin go at end of season, it was obvious his “style “ wouldn’t work in this league 

The conceding of so many goals in the championship should have been the first red flag.

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He adapted during the playoffs to get us promoted. There was a tiny hope that he'd carry those lessons forward. He hasn't and seems only to be getting more entrenched.

There's also the concern that the next manager is going to be more Rasmus left field nonsense as well. But, agree there's no future in which I see Martin succeeding here and it's not easy watching it play out.

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Ekelund24

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  On 24/10/2024 at 20:58, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

I still can't believe SR gave RM a 3 year contract. In his position, he would have grasped a one year rolling contract. FFS, with four/five league games to go last year, we were looking all over the place. And he's not a footballer with a sell-on fee. Did we really think clubs would be clambering over themselves to get a piece of RM? 

If it costs half a Sulemana to replace him, it must make business sense to depart with him. I still think there's a lot of talent in our current squad and it's a squad capable of mid table anonymity with a half decent manager.

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Maybe we could offer him a whole Sulemana to leave, we have one doing fuck all! He could take him to his new club

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saintant

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  On 24/10/2024 at 22:03, ally_uk said:

Who here was excited when Sports Republic purchased us ? 

I certainly was thought it would be the start of us showing ambition and competing..... 

You got to admit it has been a cluster fuck of poor decision making one after the other.... 

It's embarrassing, Dragan needs to grow a set and kick some ass! Sack off Rasmus Sack off Martin 

Instill a experienced director of football. 

A Premiership capable manager who can steady the ship...

And whoever in handling scouting and player acquisition they can fk off aswell out recruitment recently has been absolutely shambolic......

 

 

 

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I had an expectation that they would be good for the club. I guess, like many, I was temporarily taken in by the usual bullshit being spouted by Rasmus.

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Roo1976

Roo1976

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  On 24/10/2024 at 17:44, Lee On Solent Saint said:

With Martin still in charge though? 

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Whos got the crystal ball?..................but no,time for a different approach and style. Whats happened to that Chelsea guy in midfield he looks different class and competent, and Cornet?,nah we dont need them, bring back Fraser and Smallbone,i know what im doing ,DO YOU FUCK .Give us some hope and believe in what your trying to formulate the team into doing,maybe just maybe start with DEFENDING?

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Midfield_General

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  On 25/10/2024 at 07:43, saintant said:

I had an expectation that they would be good for the club. I guess, like many, I was temporarily taken in by the usual bullshit being spouted by Rasmus.

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It’s an interesting question though - 

No-one could argue that they weren’t successful with Brentford, and from the perspective of a club the size of Brentford/Saints they’ve had perfectly adequate financial support from Dragan, so why have they not been able to replicate that approach and success here? 

coalman

coalman

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  On 25/10/2024 at 08:01, Midfield_General said:

It’s an interesting question though - 

No-one could argue that they weren’t successful with Brentford, and from the perspective of a club the size of Brentford/Saints they’ve had perfectly adequate financial support from Dragan, so why have they not been able to replicate that approach and success here? 

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No one can argue Brentford has been successful. It's arguable that their success was down to Rasmus or those who stayed behind. I would err towards the latter option.

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coalman

coalman

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  On 25/10/2024 at 07:41, Saint_clark said:

👀 If SR wanted to show ambition...

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Honestly, I'd be down for the utter shit housery a Mourinho appointment would bring. Better than watching spineless capitulation after capitulation every week.

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Dman

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  On 25/10/2024 at 08:07, coalman said:

No one can argue Brentford has been successful. It's arguable that their success was down to Rasmus or those who stayed behind. I would err towards the latter option.

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Pretty sure I saw that at the time. Brentford fans were basically saying we think we've got the brains behind the organisation... we hadn't. 

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 25/10/2024 at 08:09, Dman said:

Pretty sure I saw that at the time. Brentford fans were basically saying we think we've got the brains behind the organisation... we hadn't. 

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Wasn't Rasmus the ideas guy, the sort of guy who works in marketing drawing diagrams on a whiteboard thinking he's a genius, then there was another guy whose name i forgot was the one that dismissed 99% of them and actually made stuff happen?

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Rebel

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  On 25/10/2024 at 07:55, Roo1976 said:

Whos got the crystal ball?..................but no,time for a different approach and style. Whats happened to that Chelsea guy in midfield he looks different class and competent, and Cornet?,nah we dont need them, bring back Fraser and Smallbone,i know what im doing ,DO YOU FUCK .Give us some hope and believe in what your trying to formulate the team into doing,maybe just maybe start with DEFENDING?

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Problem is Big Les (apart from his first 2 games) has looked off the pace and less than committed and Cornet has looked even worse.  If nothing changes hopefully we can send them both back in January.

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derry

derry

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  On 25/10/2024 at 06:11, Weston Super Saint said:

Presumably the 'performance bonus' for promotion was renegotiation of the terms given he would then be a PL manager.  Nothing unusual in that.

The whole 'it will cost £12m to get rid of him' bollocks is just that, bollocks.  No one knows the details of his contract.  For all we know there may be a 'break clause' after 10, 15, 20 games in charge depending on league position / points gained etc.  I'd take pretty much all contract 'knowledge' spouted on here with a huge sack full of salt.

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That hypothetical £12m estimate was all the costs plus the cost of employing a new team. (quoted in Daily Echo). If the present team was paid off over the term of their contracts until they are re-employed somewhere it's probably nowhere near that.

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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  On 25/10/2024 at 08:49, derry said:

That hypothetical £12m estimate was all the costs plus the cost of employing a new team. (quoted in Daily Echo). If the present team was paid off over the term of their contracts until they are re-employed somewhere it's probably nowhere near that.

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Just seems to be a new angle to justify his job.  Getting pretty desperate now.

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Whitey Grandad

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  On 25/10/2024 at 08:49, derry said:

That hypothetical £12m estimate was all the costs plus the cost of employing a new team. (quoted in Daily Echo). If the present team was paid off over the term of their contracts until they are re-employed somewhere it's probably nowhere near that.

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If we had the opportunity of buying a player who could transform our season for a total of £12m fee and salary then we’d jump at the chance and nobody would blink an eyelid.

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Farmer Saint

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  On 25/10/2024 at 09:44, Whitey Grandad said:

If we had the opportunity of buying a player who could transform our season for a total of £12m fee and salary then we’d jump at the chance and nobody would blink an eyelid.

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Not if we have no headroom due to PSR...we may well need to sell to sack.

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macca155

macca155

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Mourino now we're talking. Whilst he has zero experience of relegation fights, what a ride it would be.

Pretty much guarantee Taylor would play LB.

Jose's philosophy is first don't lose. Right now I can get behind that.

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skintsaint

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  On 25/10/2024 at 09:56, macca155 said:

Mourino now we're talking. Whilst he has zero experience of relegation fights, what a ride it would be.

Pretty much guarantee Taylor would play LB.

Jose's philosophy is first don't lose. Right now I can get behind that.

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Won't happen but we need to play his defensive structured counter attacking stuff, and we have the players for it.

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derry

derry

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  On 25/10/2024 at 09:58, skintsaint said:

Won't happen but we need to play his defensive structured counter attacking stuff, and we have the players for it.

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I've had too much of this progessive, slowmotion,passive, porous, process crap

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macca155

macca155

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  On 25/10/2024 at 09:58, skintsaint said:

Won't happen but we need to play his defensive structured counter attacking stuff, and we have the players for it.

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It would be interesting. I bet ABK would be straight in and Stephens on the bench. Jose loves a utility player.

Do we really have the players to adapt to that system.

I guess Archer, Dibling, Armstrong all have pace, but I worry counter attacking football has been coached out of them.

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skintsaint

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  On 25/10/2024 at 10:54, macca155 said:

It would be interesting. I bet ABK would be straight in and Stephens on the bench. Jose loves a utility player.

Do we really have the players to adapt to that system.

I guess Archer, Dibling, Armstrong all have pace, but I worry counter attacking football has been coached out of them.

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Cornet & Sulemana too.

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saint francis

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“If any club in England from the bottom of the table needs a coach in two years, I'm ready to go."

That's literally us.  We just need to stay on the bottom for the next two years without getting relegated. 

 

 
 
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saintant

saintant

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  On 25/10/2024 at 08:28, Turkish said:

Wasn't Rasmus the ideas guy, the sort of guy who works in marketing drawing diagrams on a whiteboard thinking he's a genius, then there was another guy whose name i forgot was the one that dismissed 99% of them and actually made stuff happen?

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Phil Giles was the brains behind Brentford and Rasmus continues to bask in his reflected glory. Rasmus probably made the tea and did a few meaningless excel charts.

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kitch

kitch

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  On 25/10/2024 at 12:25, saint francis said:

“If any club in England from the bottom of the table needs a coach in two years, I'm ready to go."

That's literally us.  We just need to stay on the bottom for the next two years without getting relegated. 

 

 
 
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Tenner says he's at Everton in the next 12 months.

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gio1saints

gio1saints

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  On 24/10/2024 at 19:43, verlaine1979 said:

Out of curiousity, how many years have you been watching Saints for? The idea that this pound-shop version of total football is worth a club of our stature risking multiple relegations is, frankly, absolutely fucking mental. Unless, of course, you've only been watching for a few years, in which case your naivety is maybe a bit more understandable. 

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Just supporting saints the odd 52 years or so been to one or two matches in that time only been ejected once and never involved in any reported disorder offences as far as I know, apart from invading the pitch at Elfsborg I think it was on a preseason tour once. Think the site owner was with us on that little Scandinavian away trip matter of fact. 
Perhaps my naivety is not so much naive as someone who does not consider our style as “pound shop total football” and someone who recognises that in the absence of being able to helicopter in the best players in the world this attempt to persevere at getting better at this style making average players better as a team than the sum of their parts is pretty much our only route to long term success. Oh, and that much derided term “ courage” - it’s effing courageous to keep on trying in the face of the amount of shit he and team gets from our own fans. If he was chicken shit cowardly he would be long gone. Long may he stay. The longer he is here the more likely we are to break the code to winning games. That’s my view not yours and many here stm. I hope I’m right you are wrong but I accept maybe I’m just hopelessly positive. Naive even. Always will support saints whatever position whatever league though. 

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Midfield_General

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  On 25/10/2024 at 16:06, Lord Duckhunter said:

Hollowhead did a better job with Blackpool than Lego head has with us. 

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His Blackpool side beat Liverpool home and away, went to Newcastle and beat them, beat Spurs, went away to a Wigan side who were decent at the time and beat them 4-0, and also beat Wolves, West Brom, Sunderland and Stoke. They went down, but got 39 points which would have kept you up by a mile in any recent season. 

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Tommy Mulgrew

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  On 25/10/2024 at 17:30, gio1saints said:

getting better at this style making average players better as a team than the sum of their parts

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Really?  I have to say that from what I have seen so far the reverse is true.  And we are much, much better at this style than when we started.  The problem is that the style is shite.

And you mention courage.  I rather think that doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result is insanity.

And the longer he is here, the less likely we are to win a game.  IMO, of course.  (I’m now half expecting us to beat Citeh.)

Good try, though, Gio.

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Viking Saint

Viking Saint

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  On 25/10/2024 at 13:06, Midfield_General said:

FFS. One less top replacement option now available: 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c98dyp82n3zo

11 Premier League victories under his belt. I reckon he could have been tempted. WAKE UP SR. 

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Bumped into him at Dunelm Mill in Truro a while back and had a chat. Thoroughly nice fella. Not sure I'd want him as manager though....

verlaine1979

verlaine1979

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  On 25/10/2024 at 17:30, gio1saints said:

Just supporting saints the odd 52 years or so been to one or two matches in that time only been ejected once and never involved in any reported disorder offences as far as I know, apart from invading the pitch at Elfsborg I think it was on a preseason tour once. Think the site owner was with us on that little Scandinavian away trip matter of fact. 
Perhaps my naivety is not so much naive as someone who does not consider our style as “pound shop total football” and someone who recognises that in the absence of being able to helicopter in the best players in the world this attempt to persevere at getting better at this style making average players better as a team than the sum of their parts is pretty much our only route to long term success. Oh, and that much derided term “ courage” - it’s effing courageous to keep on trying in the face of the amount of shit he and team gets from our own fans. If he was chicken shit cowardly he would be long gone. Long may he stay. The longer he is here the more likely we are to break the code to winning games. That’s my view not yours and many here stm. I hope I’m right you are wrong but I accept maybe I’m just hopelessly positive. Naive even. Always will support saints whatever position whatever league though. 

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I almost admire your optimism, but do you really believe a strategy that gives Jan Bednarek more touches than any other player on the pitch is eventually going to click? There's nothing courageous about shining a spotlight on your players' deficiencies and expecting the opposition not to notice. Teams become more than the sum of their parts when the strategy succeeds in amplifying strengths and minimizing weaknesses. I see no signs that this approach is ever going to achieve that goal - its flaws are too fundamental.

As for the "code to winning games". Criticism of Martin's approach is almost universal, from the fans in the terraces to the pundits on TV. Are you saying that it's simply enough for you that he's unorthodox? Because there are a million ways to break football orthodoxy, and almost all of them are going to be shite. What has Martin done to earn your trust that he's the man to rethink a sport that has evolved over more than a century and millions of professional games?

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CB Fry

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  On 25/10/2024 at 17:30, gio1saints said:

Just supporting saints the odd 52 years or so been to one or two matches in that time only been ejected once and never involved in any reported disorder offences as far as I know, apart from invading the pitch at Elfsborg I think it was on a preseason tour once. Think the site owner was with us on that little Scandinavian away trip matter of fact. 
Perhaps my naivety is not so much naive as someone who does not consider our style as “pound shop total football” and someone who recognises that in the absence of being able to helicopter in the best players in the world this attempt to persevere at getting better at this style making average players better as a team than the sum of their parts is pretty much our only route to long term success. Oh, and that much derided term “ courage” - it’s effing courageous to keep on trying in the face of the amount of shit he and team gets from our own fans. If he was chicken shit cowardly he would be long gone. Long may he stay. The longer he is here the more likely we are to break the code to winning games. That’s my view not yours and many here stm. I hope I’m right you are wrong but I accept maybe I’m just hopelessly positive. Naive even. Always will support saints whatever position whatever league though. 

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This manager, this style, this "making average players better", this "courage", all of it exists entirely in your imagination.

Russell Martin is not "our only route to success". 

I'm pretty certain you are on a wind-up.

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saintant

saintant

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  On 25/10/2024 at 17:30, gio1saints said:

Just supporting saints the odd 52 years or so been to one or two matches in that time only been ejected once and never involved in any reported disorder offences as far as I know, apart from invading the pitch at Elfsborg I think it was on a preseason tour once. Think the site owner was with us on that little Scandinavian away trip matter of fact. 
Perhaps my naivety is not so much naive as someone who does not consider our style as “pound shop total football” and someone who recognises that in the absence of being able to helicopter in the best players in the world this attempt to persevere at getting better at this style making average players better as a team than the sum of their parts is pretty much our only route to long term success. Oh, and that much derided term “ courage” - it’s effing courageous to keep on trying in the face of the amount of shit he and team gets from our own fans. If he was chicken shit cowardly he would be long gone. Long may he stay. The longer he is here the more likely we are to break the code to winning games. That’s my view not yours and many here stm. I hope I’m right you are wrong but I accept maybe I’m just hopelessly positive. Naive even. Always will support saints whatever position whatever league though. 

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Doubt it - not on the money he's earning.

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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  On 25/10/2024 at 17:30, gio1saints said:

Perhaps my naivety is not so much naive as someone who does not consider our style as “pound shop total football” and someone who recognises that in the absence of being able to helicopter in the best players in the world this attempt to persevere at getting better at this style making average players better as a team than the sum of their parts 

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One fucking point in eight matches.

No one is 'getting better at this style'.

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egg

egg

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  On 25/10/2024 at 17:30, gio1saints said:

Just supporting saints the odd 52 years or so been to one or two matches in that time only been ejected once and never involved in any reported disorder offences as far as I know, apart from invading the pitch at Elfsborg I think it was on a preseason tour once. Think the site owner was with us on that little Scandinavian away trip matter of fact. 
Perhaps my naivety is not so much naive as someone who does not consider our style as “pound shop total football” and someone who recognises that in the absence of being able to helicopter in the best players in the world this attempt to persevere at getting better at this style making average players better as a team than the sum of their parts is pretty much our only route to long term success. Oh, and that much derided term “ courage” - it’s effing courageous to keep on trying in the face of the amount of shit he and team gets from our own fans. If he was chicken shit cowardly he would be long gone. Long may he stay. The longer he is here the more likely we are to break the code to winning games. That’s my view not yours and many here stm. I hope I’m right you are wrong but I accept maybe I’m just hopelessly positive. Naive even. Always will support saints whatever position whatever league though. 

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The thing you're missing in all of your posts is the simple point that RM isn't playing in a way that gives our players the best chance. Managers must manage according to what they have at their disposable, not their idealism. It's a really simple concept. Other managers - Moyes, for example - would be much more pragmatic with these players, and play in a way that suits them not his beliefs. 

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Wade Garrett

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  On 25/10/2024 at 17:30, gio1saints said:

Just supporting saints the odd 52 years or so been to one or two matches in that time only been ejected once and never involved in any reported disorder offences as far as I know, apart from invading the pitch at Elfsborg I think it was on a preseason tour once. Think the site owner was with us on that little Scandinavian away trip matter of fact. 
Perhaps my naivety is not so much naive as someone who does not consider our style as “pound shop total football” and someone who recognises that in the absence of being able to helicopter in the best players in the world this attempt to persevere at getting better at this style making average players better as a team than the sum of their parts is pretty much our only route to long term success. Oh, and that much derided term “ courage” - it’s effing courageous to keep on trying in the face of the amount of shit he and team gets from our own fans. If he was chicken shit cowardly he would be long gone. Long may he stay. The longer he is here the more likely we are to break the code to winning games. That’s my view not yours and many here stm. I hope I’m right you are wrong but I accept maybe I’m just hopelessly positive. Naive even. Always will support saints whatever position whatever league though. 

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The courage you talk about is self-serving for Martin.  It is not in the best interests of the football club.

We are a carbon copy of Burnley last season.  Its stupid, not brave.

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egg

egg

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  On 26/10/2024 at 07:50, Wade Garrett said:

The courage you talk about is self-serving for Martin.  It is not in the best interests of the football club.

We are a carbon copy of Burnley last season.  Its stupid, not brave.

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Yep. It's either an ego trip, naivety, incompetence, or a combination of the above. 

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trousers

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  On 26/10/2024 at 05:59, CB Fry said:

This manager, this style, this "making average players better", this "courage", all of it exists entirely in your imagination.

Russell Martin is not "our only route to success". 

I'm pretty certain you are on a wind-up.

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He's certainly on an interesting momentum curve... 

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