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saintant

saintant

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  On 21/10/2024 at 13:33, Rebel said:

Kjetil Knutsen?

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He'd potentially be a good shout for us if we could get him. Famously masterminded a 6-1 thrashing of Roma by little FK Bodo Glimt. Would certainly introduce a strong work ethic and up our fitness and mental strength. 

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Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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Whoever we bring in will now have to be someone willing to manage us in the Championship. That means not David Moyes, not Graham Potter and definitely not Rafa Benitez.

You'd imagine names like Carlos Corberan, Michael Carrick and John Eustace are on the shortlist as well as a few obscure names from overseas. If Everton's new owners intend to replace Sean Dyche, I'd take him in a heartbeat. Experience of promoting teams and making them competitive in the Premier League is the ideal CV. Danny Rohl would be an interesting left field option given the job he's done at Wednesday and already knowing the club.

Knowing Sport Republic, we'll end up with another nutjob 😂

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Forester

Forester

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  On 21/10/2024 at 18:15, Disco Stu said:

Whoever we bring in will now have to be someone willing to manage us in the Championship. That means not David Moyes, not Graham Potter and definitely not Rafa Benitez.

You'd imagine names like Carlos Corberan, Michael Carrick and John Eustace are on the shortlist as well as a few obscure names from overseas. If Everton's new owners intend to replace Sean Dyche, I take him in a heartbeat. Experience of promoting teams and making them competitive in the Premier League is the ideal CV. Danny Rohl would be an interesting left field option given the job he's done at Wednesday and already knowing the club.

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Benitez took charge of Newcastle late in season and couldn’t stop them being relegated.  He stayed with them, won the championship the following year, and kept them mid table after being promoted

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Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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  On 21/10/2024 at 18:59, Forester said:

Benitez took charge of Newcastle late in season and couldn’t stop them being relegated.  He stayed with them, won the championship the following year, and kept them mid table after being promoted

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I suspect he wouldn't want to do it again. I also suspect Newcastle being a much bigger club was a significant factor.

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Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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  On 21/10/2024 at 18:59, Forester said:

Benitez took charge of Newcastle late in season and couldn’t stop them being relegated.  He stayed with them, won the championship the following year, and kept them mid table after being promoted

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He was an absolute disaster at Everton, due to being stubborn and tactically inflexible.

Sound familiar?

Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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  On 21/10/2024 at 19:14, Sheaf Saint said:

He was an absolute disaster at Everton, due to being stubborn and tactically inflexible.

Sound familiar?

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To be honest if Rusty had won a shitload as a manager including la liga, European cup, uefa cup, fa cup, and fifa manager of the year saints fans would probably tolerate some inflexibility. If it walks like a 🦆 

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OneMrsWallace

OneMrsWallace

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Surely the players can't be happy losing every week? Can't believe away from the training ground they're still buying in to his crap, maybe apart from his favourites. Moving him on now makes sense before it gets even worse, as unimaginable as that is - or not 😅

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Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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  On 21/10/2024 at 20:43, OneMrsWallace said:

Surely the players can't be happy losing every week? Can't believe away from the training ground they're still buying in to his crap, maybe apart from his favourites. Moving him on now makes sense before it gets even worse, as unimaginable as that is - or not 😅

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Depressing that he's still here. All the comments I see from other fanbases are pretty much along the lines of "I hope he's still there when we play them".

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coalman

coalman

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Once upon a time the Saints manager job was the stepping stone to the Tottenham job. Any prospective manager is going to take one look at our revolving door and promptly run a mile. Unless they're really desperate to manage in the premier league, if only briefly. That's going to harm our candidate pool.

Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 22/10/2024 at 16:53, Toussaint said:

It’s just not funny. It’s emblematic of the “post truth era” we are now in, something that is so obviously wrong to a rational person is deemed right and just by the elite and all dissent is denied, discredited and ridiculed. 

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I don’t know, the more Russell Martin and Rasmus Ankerson can be taken the piss out of, plus their doppelgängers and plastic Peps throughout the leagues, the better.

Their football is every bit as dour and ugly as Branfoot’s.

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Pamplemousse

Pamplemousse

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  On 22/10/2024 at 16:45, coalman said:

Once upon a time the Saints manager job was the stepping stone to the Tottenham job. Any prospective manager is going to take one look at our revolving door and promptly run a mile. Unless they're really desperate to manage in the premier league, if only briefly. That's going to harm our candidate pool.

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The only way we attract someone semi decent is if we have money to spend in January. Given that we have a bloated squad, we'll need a bit a wheeler dealer in charge. Anyone got any ideas? Heard there's someone available in Sandbanks

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Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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  On 22/10/2024 at 16:45, coalman said:

Once upon a time the Saints manager job was the stepping stone to the Tottenham job. Any prospective manager is going to take one look at our revolving door and promptly run a mile. Unless they're really desperate to manage in the premier league, if only briefly. That's going to harm our candidate pool.

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We'll only be looking at managers desperate to manage in the Premier League. When we were last in the Premier League, we hired the Championship's resident loony, Nathan Jones, then hired Ruben Selles internally and then in the Championship, we hired Russell Martin from midtable Swansea. All of them jumped at the chance and probably couldn't believe their luck. Looks even more ridiculous given two of them are now managing in league 1. If that's the calibre of manager we continue to look for, they won't give our "revolving door" a second thought.

I'd like to think we're aiming for a manager with experience of the Premier League or the equivalent abroad but Sport Republic don't think like that. They've shown on several occasions they don't value experience.

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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  On 23/10/2024 at 18:55, Disco Stu said:

We'll only be looking at managers desperate to manage in the Premier League. When we were last in the Premier League, we hired the Championship's resident loony, Nathan Jones, then hired Ruben Selles internally and then in the Championship, we hired Russell Martin from midtable Swansea. All of them jumped at the chance and probably couldn't believe their luck. Looks even more ridiculous given two of them are now managing in league 1. If that's the calibre of manager we continue to look for, they won't give our "revolving door" a second thought.

I'd like to think we're aiming for a manager with experience of the Premier League or the equivalent abroad but Sport Republic don't think like that. They've shown on several occasions they don't value experience.

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But who would be interested that has decent PL or top division experience?

There is every chance that we can't afford to pay out someone's contract and pay off the current team due to PSR restrictions, so may need to be a free agent.

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Dellyears

Dellyears

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  On 23/10/2024 at 18:55, Disco Stu said:

We'll only be looking at managers desperate to manage in the Premier League. When we were last in the Premier League, we hired the Championship's resident loony, Nathan Jones, then hired Ruben Selles internally and then in the Championship, we hired Russell Martin from midtable Swansea. All of them jumped at the chance and probably couldn't believe their luck. Looks even more ridiculous given two of them are now managing in league 1. If that's the calibre of manager we continue to look for, they won't give our "revolving door" a second thought.

I'd like to think we're aiming for a manager with experience of the Premier League or the equivalent abroad but Sport Republic don't think like that. They've shown on several occasions they don't value experience.

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And the manager doesn't value experience either, that's why leaves Lallana on the bench 

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Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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  On 23/10/2024 at 19:03, Farmer Saint said:

But who would be interested that has decent PL or top division experience?

There is every chance that we can't afford to pay out someone's contract and pay off the current team due to PSR restrictions, so may need to be a free agent.

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We'd likely have to look at names that have seen their stock fall due to an unsuccessful season or time away from club management. Some of them won't be interested but I think it would be realistic to approach...

Slaven Bilic - Extensive Premier League experience and experience of Championship promotion.

Chris Hughton - Had a poor season with Forest but was an overall success at Brighton. Has also managed a team to promotion from the Championship.

Nigel Pearson - Last Prem job saw him sacked at Watford but not before taking them from 7 points adrift at the bottom to 3 points above the drop. Very strange sacking.

Javi Gracia - Replaced Jesse Marsch at Leeds and outperformed us, Leicester and Everton in his 11 games taking them from 19th to 17th with 4 games remaining. He got sacked and they went down under Alladyce losing 3 and drawing 1.

Quique Sanchez Flores - Perhaps less realistic given he's a Europa league winner and was most recently at Sevilla but he's managed Watford in the Premier League a couple of times. The first time being quite successful.

Ole Gunnar Solskaer - Probably the least likely but he's been 3 years out of management now so unlikely to attract offers from clubs much better than us. Could be very wrong about that though.

All free agents and these are only the names I know because of watching English football. There's bound to be others out there. We're not in a position to turn our noses up at all of them. You may scoff at them but they've all done a lot more in the game than Russell has.

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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  On 23/10/2024 at 20:11, Disco Stu said:

We'd likely have to look at names that have seen their stock fall due to an unsuccessful season or time away from club management. Some of them won't be interested but I think it would be realistic to approach...

Slaven Bilic - Extensive Premier League experience and experience of Championship promotion.

Chris Hughton - Had a poor season with Forest but was an overall success at Brighton. Has also managed a team to promotion from the Championship.

Nigel Pearson - Last Prem job saw him sacked at Watford but not before taking them from 7 points adrift at the bottom to 3 points above the drop. Very strange sacking.

Javi Gracia - Replaced Jesse Marsch at Leeds and outperformed us, Leicester and Everton in his 11 games taking them from 19th to 17th with 4 games remaining. He got sacked and they went down under Alladyce losing 3 and drawing 1.

Quique Sanchez Flores - Perhaps less realistic given he's a Europa league winner and was most recently at Sevilla but he's managed Watford in the Premier League a couple of times. The first time being quite successful.

Ole Gunnar Solskaer - Probably the least likely but he's been 3 years out of management now so unlikely to attract offers from clubs much better than us. Could be very wrong about that though.

All free agents and these are only the names I know because of watching English football. There's bound to be others out there. We're not in a position to turn our noses up at all of them. You may scoff at them but they've all done a lot more in the game than Russell has.

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Fucking hell 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 23/10/2024 at 20:11, Disco Stu said:

We'd likely have to look at names that have seen their stock fall due to an unsuccessful season or time away from club management. Some of them won't be interested but I think it would be realistic to approach...

Slaven Bilic - Extensive Premier League experience and experience of Championship promotion.

Chris Hughton - Had a poor season with Forest but was an overall success at Brighton. Has also managed a team to promotion from the Championship.

Nigel Pearson - Last Prem job saw him sacked at Watford but not before taking them from 7 points adrift at the bottom to 3 points above the drop. Very strange sacking.

Javi Gracia - Replaced Jesse Marsch at Leeds and outperformed us, Leicester and Everton in his 11 games taking them from 19th to 17th with 4 games remaining. He got sacked and they went down under Alladyce losing 3 and drawing 1.

Quique Sanchez Flores - Perhaps less realistic given he's a Europa league winner and was most recently at Sevilla but he's managed Watford in the Premier League a couple of times. The first time being quite successful.

Ole Gunnar Solskaer - Probably the least likely but he's been 3 years out of management now so unlikely to attract offers from clubs much better than us. Could be very wrong about that though.

All free agents and these are only the names I know because of watching English football. There's bound to be others out there. We're not in a position to turn our noses up at all of them. You may scoff at them but they've all done a lot more in the game than Russell has.

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I don't want any of these guys at all.

But the Russell Martin fangirls on here need to remember in three years time your guy will on this list of deadbeat yesterday's man manager lists too.

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Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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  On 23/10/2024 at 21:35, CB Fry said:

I don't want any of these guys at all.

But the Russell Martin fangirls on here need to remember in three years time your guy will on this list of deadbeat yesterday's man manager lists too.

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I was asked to list experienced out of work managers that are better than Russell Martin so I did! 😂 All of them could teach a thing or two to Russell Martin about management, although unfortunately, learning isn't part of his philosophy.

Moyes, Potter and Benitez are pipe dreams but the notion that our club can't attract anyone decent is nonsense. Bournemouth identified Iraola, Brighton identified De Zerbi and we identified Hasenhuttl all of whom came in and made positive impacts. We shouldn't just be limiting ourselves to free agents though.

If we're run properly, we'll find someone. And that's why I think we'll end up with someone terrible.

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warsash saint

warsash saint

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  On 23/10/2024 at 20:11, Disco Stu said:

We'd likely have to look at names that have seen their stock fall due to an unsuccessful season or time away from club management. Some of them won't be interested but I think it would be realistic to approach...

Slaven Bilic - Extensive Premier League experience and experience of Championship promotion.

Chris Hughton - Had a poor season with Forest but was an overall success at Brighton. Has also managed a team to promotion from the Championship.

Nigel Pearson - Last Prem job saw him sacked at Watford but not before taking them from 7 points adrift at the bottom to 3 points above the drop. Very strange sacking.

Javi Gracia - Replaced Jesse Marsch at Leeds and outperformed us, Leicester and Everton in his 11 games taking them from 19th to 17th with 4 games remaining. He got sacked and they went down under Alladyce losing 3 and drawing 1.

Quique Sanchez Flores - Perhaps less realistic given he's a Europa league winner and was most recently at Sevilla but he's managed Watford in the Premier League a couple of times. The first time being quite successful.

Ole Gunnar Solskaer - Probably the least likely but he's been 3 years out of management now so unlikely to attract offers from clubs much better than us. Could be very wrong about that though.

All free agents and these are only the names I know because of watching English football. There's bound to be others out there. We're not in a position to turn our noses up at all of them. You may scoff at them but they've all done a lot more in the game than Russell has.

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Fuck me what a depressing list - would rather have Martin take us down!

Dellyears

Dellyears

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  On 23/10/2024 at 20:11, Disco Stu said:

We'd likely have to look at names that have seen their stock fall due to an unsuccessful season or time away from club management. Some of them won't be interested but I think it would be realistic to approach...

Slaven Bilic - Extensive Premier League experience and experience of Championship promotion.

Chris Hughton - Had a poor season with Forest but was an overall success at Brighton. Has also managed a team to promotion from the Championship.

Nigel Pearson - Last Prem job saw him sacked at Watford but not before taking them from 7 points adrift at the bottom to 3 points above the drop. Very strange sacking.

Javi Gracia - Replaced Jesse Marsch at Leeds and outperformed us, Leicester and Everton in his 11 games taking them from 19th to 17th with 4 games remaining. He got sacked and they went down under Alladyce losing 3 and drawing 1.

Quique Sanchez Flores - Perhaps less realistic given he's a Europa league winner and was most recently at Sevilla but he's managed Watford in the Premier League a couple of times. The first time being quite successful.

Ole Gunnar Solskaer - Probably the least likely but he's been 3 years out of management now so unlikely to attract offers from clubs much better than us. Could be very wrong about that though.

All free agents and these are only the names I know because of watching English football. There's bound to be others out there. We're not in a position to turn our noses up at all of them. You may scoff at them but they've all done a lot more in the game than Russell has.

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That's a depressing list of tired and well worn names. I agree we want experience but that old merry go round is not the place because we also want some dash and drive, 
oh for a Poch or a Koeman. Why is Potter not likely?

 

Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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  On 23/10/2024 at 22:57, Dellyears said:

That's a depressing list of tired and well worn names. I agree we want experience but that old merry go round is not the place because we also want some dash and drive, 
oh for a Poch or a Koeman. Why is Potter not likely?

 

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Because he knows his stock is still high. He might have turned offers down due to receiving his pay off from Chelsea, but he's been approached by Ajax and OGC Nice and there's every chance he could also be offered the West Ham job in the near future. Palace, Wolves and even Leicester, with their stronger squads, would also be more attractive propositions. Ultimately, we need someone that's willing to be a Championship manager.

Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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  On 23/10/2024 at 22:45, warsash saint said:

Fuck me what a depressing list - would rather have Martin take us down!

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Leaving us to fall to inevitable relegation under Martin would just be negligence. I'd take any alternative that involves putting players in their correct positions and not playing tika taka in our own box. Any manager that does that would be an immediate improvement.

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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  On 23/10/2024 at 23:20, Disco Stu said:

Leaving us to fall to inevitable relegation under Martin would just be negligence. I'd take any alternative that involves putting players in their correct positions and not playing tika taka in our own box. Any manager that does that would be an immediate improvement.

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I think the issue is I'm not sure any of those names are an improvement - it's an awful list of Managers who have managed in the PL but with little success. I would be more confident of getting re-promoted with Martin than any of them and none of them are keeping us up imo.

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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  On 23/10/2024 at 22:44, Disco Stu said:

I was asked to list experienced out of work managers that are better than Russell Martin so I did! 😂 All of them could teach a thing or two to Russell Martin about management, although unfortunately, learning isn't part of his philosophy.

Moyes, Potter and Benitez are pipe dreams but the notion that our club can't attract anyone decent is nonsense. Bournemouth identified Iraola, Brighton identified De Zerbi and we identified Hasenhuttl all of whom came in and made positive impacts. We shouldn't just be limiting ourselves to free agents though.

If we're run properly, we'll find someone. And that's why I think we'll end up with someone terrible.

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The issue with non-free agents is perhaps PSR - let's say it costs £6m to get rid of Martin and his backroom staff, we then have to spend the same to bring in a new lot and this may take us over our PSR threshold for this year.

saintant

saintant

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  On 24/10/2024 at 06:14, Farmer Saint said:

I think the issue is I'm not sure any of those names are an improvement - it's an awful list of Managers who have managed in the PL but with little success. I would be more confident of getting re-promoted with Martin than any of them and none of them are keeping us up imo.

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The only way Martin is still here next season if we are relegated is if we go down with a fight and a respectable points tally. On the current course there is not a snowball in hell's chance the fans accept another season of him in charge.

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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  On 24/10/2024 at 07:18, saintant said:

The only way Martin is still here next season if we are relegated is if we go down with a fight and a respectable points tally. On the current course there is not a snowball in hell's chance the fans accept another season of him in charge.

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I'm aware of that, yes, my point is in relation to Manager abilities.

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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  On 24/10/2024 at 07:18, saintant said:

The only way Martin is still here next season if we are relegated is if we go down with a fight and a respectable points tally. On the current course there is not a snowball in hell's chance the fans accept another season of him in charge.

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We are currently averaging 0.125 points per game.

To get a 'respectable' total of points we would need another 25 or so points (and that's not really that respectable), so an increase to 0.83 points per game, which is what 1 win and 1 draw or 4 draws every five games.  Can't see that happening whoever is in charge.  

Galway saint

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It’s pretty depressing that we are no longer taking about staying up but getting a respectable number of points to avoid embarrassment 

I wonder if the club has the same approach or if they genuinely believe we can stay up. If they don’t then it might explain why RM is still here 

 

Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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  On 24/10/2024 at 07:18, saintant said:

The only way Martin is still here next season if we are relegated is if we go down with a fight and a respectable points tally. On the current course there is not a snowball in hell's chance the fans accept another season of him in charge.

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I don’t accept another game in charge, let alone a season.

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Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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  On 24/10/2024 at 07:48, Weston Super Saint said:

We are currently averaging 0.125 points per game.

To get a 'respectable' total of points we would need another 25 or so points (and that's not really that respectable), so an increase to 0.83 points per game, which is what 1 win and 1 draw or 4 draws every five games.  Can't see that happening whoever is in charge.  

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True. Another way of looking at it is that as it stands we could get out of the bottom three by winning one game. That's how poor the four bottom teams are this season, not just us. 

Obviously we won't, but it's nice to dream. 

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