New manager

[Badger]

6 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Quite like the look of this Ole Werner at Werder, seems like he likes to draw the press but the difference v martin is that the defenders look for a ball straight to the forwards for the midfielders to pick up and transition quickly.

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/head-coach-analysis/ole-werner-werder-bremen-202425-tactical-analysis-tactics

Just googled him. No beard. No chance.

 

But on the subject of Ole's , the BBC Gossip Colum featured this:

 

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Are we a 'major club' in comparison ?

 

[Bad Wolf]

Dull, boring, negative football

Famously stubborn with his style of play

Keeps picking his favourites

Midtable finish at Swansea

Amazing how that describes two separate managers, one of them we want to sack to make way for the other one.

[Ted Bates Statue]

4 hours ago, SaintTex said:

the longer we wait, the harder it will be to attract a quality manager.  Who in their right might would want the task of keeping a team up with half the season gone and 12 to 15 points off 17th place.

Managers are like flies on shit for a PL club on the lookout for a new broom. The trouble is we are shit and as you say, not sure that we're attractive enough for someone decent to give us the lift we need.

[OneMrsWallace]

On 11/10/2024 at 16:34, SaintTex said:

the longer we wait, the harder it will be to attract a quality manager.  Who in their right might would want the task of keeping a team up with half the season gone and 12 to 15 points off 17th place.

My instinct is that whilst we remain 'in touch' with 17th place, the board won't act. Problem with that is things can move fast, and suddenly it's many points adrift. Act now and find a manager who's focus is on keeping us up, not on their flipping system. 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

19 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Just on the whole 'No decent English coaches' thing, saw this article came up again - good read if you're at all interested in the technical and coaching side of the game.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/28/why-i-left-england-and-moved-to-spain-to-become-a-football-coach

I've heard the ex-pros get an easy ride through the system here as well. Not to mention as this guy found, if you're not an ex-pro you'll find it hard even to get on the UEFA B course ...

Right, Alex Clapham it is then.  “RA, on the phone straight away and get him in pdq.”

[ItchenRob]

This thread is surprisingly quiet!😄😇

[saintant]

4 minutes ago, ItchenRob said:

This thread is surprisingly quiet!😄😇

Probably because most of us realise SR will not be sacking RM anytime soon.

[aintforever]

On 14/10/2024 at 13:50, OneMrsWallace said:

My instinct is that whilst we remain 'in touch' with 17th place, the board won't act. Problem with that is things can move fast, and suddenly it's many points adrift. Act now and find a manager who's focus is on keeping us up, not on their flipping system. 

Problem is we have only had one hard game so far, we might look in touch with 17th but we’re in a false position.

[qwertyell]

On 16/10/2024 at 13:50, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Right, Alex Clapham it is then.  “RA, on the phone straight away and get him in pdq.”

Wasn't Clapham our set piece coach for about two months in the final throes of Hasenhuttl?

[Bad Wolf]

42 minutes ago, saintant said:

Probably because most of us realise SR will not be sacking RM anytime soon.

Based on what? 

[Dark Munster]

26 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Based on what? 

Asked Russell Martin if he fears for his future: "I had a brilliant chat with Dragan and the guys yesterday, so no."

[Bad Wolf]

3 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Asked Russell Martin if he fears for his future: "I had a brilliant chat with Dragan and the guys yesterday, so no."

You were expecting a different response? Even if he'd been told yesterday "Win or you're being sacked" what response was he going to give there?/

[spyinthesky]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Problem is we have only had one hard game so far, we might look in touch with 17th but we’re in a false position.

We are down.
Plans must be made for next season.

Edited 19 October, 2024 by spyinthesky

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

You were expecting a different response? Even if he'd been told yesterday "Win or you're being sacked" what response was he going to give there?/

So you are saying he's lying?

I don't expect him to say "I'm f**ked and probably gone next week", but give instead some crap that he's confident things will turn around, etc. And not to lie that Dragan and co. fully support him. I doubt Dragan would be happy with that if he didn't really have that "brilliant chat".

Edited 19 October, 2024 by Dark Munster

[the colonel]

Can't afford another untried prem manager...Carlos Corberan been mentioned. But surely no better than what had or had?

 

Potter would get my vote.

[Gloucester Saint]

16 minutes ago, the colonel said:

Can't afford another untried prem manager...Carlos Corberan been mentioned. But surely no better than what had or had?

 

Potter would get my vote.

Corberan’s stock would stay higher getting WBA into the play offs again.

[Badger]

22 minutes ago, the colonel said:

 

Potter would get my vote.

Well that’s decided then. 
 

Do you think he’d be remotely interested? 

[gammon cheeks]

Moyes for me ...experienced Prem league manager ...no brainer if you ask me .

[Badger]

6 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Corberan’s stock would stay higher getting WBA into the play offs again.

If we’re going for a panic mid-season appointment then it will most probably be a manager without a club. Can’t see someone like Corberan being interested, or us shelling out big compensation.

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, gammon cheeks said:

Moyes for me ...experienced Prem league manager ...no brainer if you ask me .

Downes would be delighted! 

[Pamplemousse]

Unless we have significant money to spend in January (unlikely), I can see a lot of managers holding out for something better, were a vacancy to come up now. 

Moyes, Potter... they won't be short of offers.

 

If we do go down (and if we do, Martin should be sacked), we may as well wait until the summer when someone of a higher calibre wanting an opportunity to manage one of the best teams in the league will come up.

 

 

[bpsaint]

I’d take Russell Grant over Russell Martin at the moment.

[the colonel]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Well that’s decided then. 
 

Do you think he’d be remotely interested? 

What's with the attitude....are you the only one to have a opinion?!?!?

Whether he is or isn't interested, he is my preferred option!!

Edited 19 October, 2024 by the colonel

[Badger]

3 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

So you are saying he's lying?

I don't expect him to say "I'm f**ked and probably gone next week", but give instead some crap that he's confident things will turn around, etc. And not to lie that Dragan and co. fully support him. I doubt Dragan would be happy with that if he didn't really have that "brilliant chat".

Is this the Chairman’s vote of confidence? 

[Dark Munster]

15 minutes ago, Badger said:

Is this the Chairman’s vote of confidence? 

I wish. But I doubt SR can even get that right.

[CSA96]

2 hours ago, gammon cheeks said:

Moyes for me ...experienced Prem league manager ...no brainer if you ask me .

Like he’d put his reputation on the line for a guaranteed relegation. He’s not thick 

[LegalEagle]

We’re going down. Anyone who thinks differently is deluded. We need to prepare for next season and beyond. Lallana is a bright chap. Put him in charge for the rest of the season and see how we do. No-one is going to blame him when we go down. He can then start afresh next season with a decent squad and re-build so long as he shows something in the remainder of this season. If he doesn’t we get someone new in over the summer. It cannot possibly be any worse than we have now.

[trousers]

1 minute ago, LegalEagle said:

We’re going down. Anyone who thinks differently is deluded. We need to prepare for next season and beyond. Lallana is a bright chap. Put him in charge for the rest of the season and see how we do. No-one is going to blame him when we go down. He can then start afresh next season with a decent squad and re-build so long as he shows something in the remainder of this season. If he doesn’t we get someone new in over the summer. It cannot possibly be any worse than we have now.

Yep, given we're unlikely to convince an 'established name' manager to take the helm if we part ways with Russ, count me in the "Might as well give Lallana a crack of the whip - nothing to lose" camp. 

[aintforever]

I would rather take a punt on a lower league or foreign manager than let Lallana take charge.

’goodbye frying pan, hello fire’ springs to mind.

[SW5 SAINT]

I suspect the only reason Saints haven’t pulled the trigger is because they can’t get any one better to take the job…..!

[S-Clarke]

Just now, SW5 SAINT said:

I suspect the only reason Saints haven’t pulled the trigger is because they can’t get any one better to take the job…..!

That hasn't bothered them before tbf. (Thinking of Ralph > Jones)

[FarehamSaintJames]

Just pay out on a shit hot manager than has a fantastic rep.

Give him free reign on transfer even if we end up spending stupid money.

Sod it if we breach FFP, the five points deducted can be made up by the quality brought in.

(On a side note I don’t get why people tip-toe around FFP, it’s absolutely broken and if you breach it be £1m or £200m then consequences are no worse, and you’d probably reap the rewards in finance by staying up).

[saintant]

1 minute ago, SW5 SAINT said:

I suspect the only reason Saints haven’t pulled the trigger is because they can’t get any one better to take the job…..!

If we really can't get anyone better than Russ we are completely screwed.

[Kenilworthy]

18 minutes ago, saintant said:

If we really can't get anyone better than Russ we are completely screwed.

Rob Edwards, the current Luton manager, made a better fist of having at go at the Premier League with worse players than we have. And he pays attention to defence.

[benali-shorts]

18 minutes ago, Kenilworthy said:

Rob Edwards, the current Luton manager, made a better fist of having at go at the Premier League with worse players than we have. And he pays attention to defence.

I wondered about him too. Luton over performed under him, and he openly commented about how he altered his natural coaching style to get the best out of the squad who had been used to a more direct style under Jones. A coach who alters his own style to suit the players around him rather than being obsessed with a singular philosophy……..manna from heaven. 

[SW5 SAINT]

27 minutes ago, Kenilworthy said:

Rob Edwards, the current Luton manager, made a better fist of having at go at the Premier League with worse players than we have. And he pays attention to defence.

Let’s then hope Luton sack him - soon. So we don’t get screwed by them again for compo…..

[benali-shorts]

Maybe we should get Luton’s DofF to replace ours too…….oh, hang on…..

[Convict Colony]

26 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said:

Let’s then hope Luton sack him - soon. So we don’t get screwed by them again for compo…..

They smashed Watford yesterday he won't be leaving anytime soon.

[Convict Colony]

Honestly if you think about our squad and what we need to do to be more successful in this league what does that even look like ?

Then what manager plays that way ?

[benali-shorts]

50 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Honestly if you think about our squad and what we need to do to be more successful in this league what does that even look like ?

Then what manager plays that way ?

It's a very good question, and the biggest obstacle to recruiting a replacement. Firstly, SR need to be clear on that their project is, and Parsons etc would need to be convincing in selling this to candidates. As far as the coach's style, I don't think SR can have a pre-empted idea as there are no football experts on the Board (The Omniscient One excepted, obvs) and our managerial appointments to date have been at pretty much each end of the spectrum. So frankly, the coach just needs to have a track record in pragmatism and a willingness to develop youth, whilst having resilient shoulders for the next 30 PL games to come. Edwards satisfies each of those, at least. 

[Dellyears]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

Yep, given we're unlikely to convince an 'established name' manager to take the helm if we part ways with Russ, count me in the "Might as well give Lallana a crack of the whip - nothing to lose" camp. 

This is what Newcastle thought when they gave Shearer the job when it was already a lost cause and they got relegated. We need an experienced manager, not a beginner.
Ex players, even very popular ones--Lampard, Rooney, and that Liverpool guy are failed examples. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

I don’t think our squad is as terrible as people make out.

We create more than enough chances. Defensive mishaps in concentration and organisation, as well as stupid substitutions and tactics are what’s cost us - unfortunately that is on the manager.

[LuckyNumber7]

2 hours ago, LegalEagle said:

We’re going down. Anyone who thinks differently is deluded. We need to prepare for next season and beyond. Lallana is a bright chap. Put him in charge for the rest of the season and see how we do. No-one is going to blame him when we go down. He can then start afresh next season with a decent squad and re-build so long as he shows something in the remainder of this season. If he doesn’t we get someone new in over the summer. It cannot possibly be any worse than we have now.

That's just not true though, the exact same things were said about Selles when Jones was sacked, yet by the end of the season he was being booed and called clueless etc.

Put Lallana in charge and after a few more defeats the masses will be calling for another change.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Honestly if you think about our squad and what we need to do to be more successful in this league what does that even look like ?

Then what manager plays that way ?

Players like Downes are system players, and it tends to be the system that Martin plays. Honestly, I don't know where we go from here - we've bought into a philosophy with players that aren't good enough to carry it off in the Prem (which will also result in them being difficult to shift).

[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I don’t think our squad is as terrible as people make out.

We create more than enough chances. Defensive mishaps in concentration and organisation, as well as stupid substitutions and tactics are what’s cost us - unfortunately that is on the manager.

Defensive mishaps in concentration isn't a Manager thing - Bednarek has been prone to that his whole career, hence why he's never really been a Premier League quality defender. Agree that if your defence isn't PL quality then playing the ball around between them isn't a great idea (and that is on the Manager).

[saintant]

38 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Defensive mishaps in concentration isn't a Manager thing - Bednarek has been prone to that his whole career, hence why he's never really been a Premier League quality defender. Agree that if your defence isn't PL quality then playing the ball around between them isn't a great idea (and that is on the Manager).

How about defending a last minute corner and leaving opponents unmarked on the edge of the box giving them a free shot resulting in 2 goals and the loss of 3 points? It is absolutely ludicrous that Martin has presided over this mistake for a second time in just a few games and says a lot about his limitations.

[FarehamSaintJames]

20 minutes ago, saintant said:

How about defending a last minute corner and leaving opponents unmarked on the edge of the box giving them a free shot resulting in 2 goals and the loss of 3 points? It is absolutely ludicrous that Martin has presided over this mistake for a second time in just a few games and says a lot about his limitations.

This.

And this has been happening a lot this season already.

Watch back the 264,538,844 goals we’ve already conceded this season and see how the majority of them are down to team incompetence.

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, saintant said:

How about defending a last minute corner and leaving opponents unmarked on the edge of the box giving them a free shot resulting in 2 goals and the loss of 3 points? It is absolutely ludicrous that Martin has presided over this mistake for a second time in just a few games and says a lot about his limitations.

Yeah, agree with that - never said that wasn't on him.

Individual mistakes - I'm not having that - there is enough sticks to beat him with without blaming the idiocy of some of our players on him.

[Pilchards]

Don’t post much these days but what I do know is that they have targeted someone and they are waiting for him to take the job.

Never heard of him personally!

[lambtiss]

2 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

Don’t post much these days but what I do know is that they have targeted someone and they are waiting for him to take the job.

Never heard of him personally!

So what did Google come up with?