Nordic Saint Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) 35 minutes ago, RedArmy said: Bednarek, Stephens, Smallbone, Aribo, Arma and BBD are nothing other than Championship players. KWP who isn’t playing in his preferred position. We're recruiting all the right players, but not necessarily in the right positions. Arguably our 2 best players now, KWP and Sugawara, are both right wing-backs so one of them is forced to play out of position, which means that Charlie Taylor, one of the most reliable Premier League defenders we signed this summer, can't get into a team lacking Premier League quality players in almost every other position. Did nobody ever notice what was happening and say, "Wait. Hang on a minute..."? Edited September 2 by Nordic Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) Nathan jones presided over our defeat to Nottingham forest, which was the single most embarrassing and inept performance by any football team in any league throughout the eternity of time, past, present and future. It made me ashamed to be a human being, let alone a saints fan. Edited September 2 by pingpong 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dman Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 16 minutes ago, pingpong said: Nathan jones presided over our defeat to Nottingham forest, which was the single most embarrassing and inept performance by any football team in any league throughout the eternity of time, past, present and future. It made me ashamed to be a human being, let alone a saints fan. Given we're a side that has lost 9-0 in 2 consecutive seasons, that's clearly a load of bias nonsense. I also wouldn't at all be surprised if we shipped 9 or more again this season. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 19 hours ago, RedArmy said: I think the performances and tactics have been woeful but you’d struggle to find a manager in world football that would keep this squad up. It’s a championship squad with no goal threat. This squad has yet to be used in a competent way so I doubt anybody knows how good or bad they are right now or whether they are capable of scoring goals. My view is that a different manager would have them playing with less glaring mistakes, more cohesion and shape and ultimately, more goals and points on the board. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, Nordic Saint said: We're recruiting all the right players, but not necessarily in the right positions. Arguably our 2 best players now, KWP and Sugawara, are both right wing-backs so one of them is forced to play out of position, which means that Charlie Taylor, one of the most reliable Premier League defenders we signed this summer, can't get into a team lacking Premier League quality players in almost every other position. Did nobody ever notice what was happening and say, "Wait. Hang on a minute..."? In the club's defence I'm guessing they moved early to get Sugawara and the thinking behind it was they fully expected KWP to leave. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, saintant said: This squad has yet to be used in a competent way so I doubt anybody knows how good or bad they are right now or whether they are capable of scoring goals. My view is that a different manager would have them playing with less glaring mistakes, more cohesion and shape and ultimately, more goals and points on the board. This isn’t 2012 with a squad full of very obvious talent but a few players letting them down along with a manager that wasn’t quite ready and possibly feeling the effects of a chairman that wanted him out. That was an easy fix. This is a clusterfuck of a squad devoid of the talent required to compete at this level, a manager that’s out of his depth and suicidal tactics to boot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 4 minutes ago, RedArmy said: This is a clusterfuck of a squad devoid of the talent required to compete at this level, We’ve got one of the countries best goal keepers. 3 out of the 5 at the back have played the majority of their career in the top flight. The other 2 are, an international full back who already looks the part, & a very promising young centre half. Downes looks premier league quality & from early glimpses a couple of the new signings look promising. I reckon a competent manager would have us on at least 2 points, not world beating but something to work on. This blokes sucked the positivity out of promotion already, mainly because of his fuck witted tactics. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 8 minutes ago, RedArmy said: This is a clusterfuck of a squad devoid of the talent required to compete at this level, a manager that’s out of his depth and suicidal tactics to boot. And there's some bad things too. 🙂 This post is a test of The Gallows Humour posting system. For preparedness ahead of a long season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, pingpong said: Nathan jones presided over our defeat to Nottingham forest, which was the single most embarrassing and inept performance by any football team in any league throughout the eternity of time, past, present and future. It made me ashamed to be a human being, let alone a saints fan. It was very poor but you weren’t old enough from the sounds of it to remember the Branfoot years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: It was very poor but you weren’t old enough from the sounds of it to remember the Branfoot years. The Branfoot Years: The Netflix counter to all those aspirational club following shows. Like watching a marathon session of kitchen sink dramas, watch the life being sucked out of a club. B&W (90 mins, but will seem like years) "The switch to a Yorkshire mining town, for extra grimness, is to be applauded." - The Guardian "Still more exciting football, than under Puel."- The Times. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: 3 out of the 5 at the back have played the majority of their career in the top flight. Djimi Traore won the champions league, what’s your point? It doesn’t suddenly make Bednarek or Stephens good enough for this league. If they were good enough we wouldn’t be playing 5 at the back in the first place. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 3 minutes ago, RedArmy said: Djimi Traore won the champions league, what’s your point? It doesn’t suddenly make Bednarek or Stephens good enough for this league. If they were good enough we wouldn’t be playing 5 at the back in the first place. Both have way out performed THB this season. Perhaps there is / was a reason why Burnely didn't sign him last season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 5 minutes ago, Dman said: Both have way out performed THB this season. Perhaps there is / was a reason why Burnely didn't sign him last season? I'm not sure you can make that judgement after three games when he hasn't played in a 4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 6 minutes ago, Dman said: Both have way out performed THB this season. Perhaps there is / was a reason why Burnely didn't sign him last season? Hard to know with Burnley whether it was a financial or football decision. You’d expect Kompany to know whether he’s good enough for this level though. I think he’ll be a top CB but he needs to adjust to the speed of the PL quickly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 9 minutes ago, RedArmy said: Djimi Traore won the champions league, what’s your point? It doesn’t suddenly make Bednarek or Stephens good enough for this league. If they were good enough we wouldn’t be playing 5 at the back in the first place. Puel made us tight defensively with Stephens & Yoshida as centre halves, so I refuse to believe we couldn’t tighten up. I’d imagine the reason he wants to play 3 centre halves as it releases our full backs to get further forward. In a properly set up defensive unit, with instructions to just defend and cut out the Beckenbauer impressions, we’d have a couple of points on the board, no bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 6 minutes ago, Dman said: Both have way out performed THB this season. Perhaps there is / was a reason why Burnely didn't sign him last season? From what I've observed of THB he is far happier in a back 4 with two centre backs. As soon as we play a five with an added centre back he seems to be less sure of his responsibilities. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Personally I like 3 central defenders, but prefer what Terry Venables did sometimes, play a strong full back as the wide centre half. Maybe Charlie Taylor could play on the left of a 3. Don’t know if he ever played centre half previously but he has the build. Bree probably not good enough the other side, but again he’s an old fashioned looking full back who could play as the wide man of a 3. The problem with 3 pure centre halves is they get run down the sides, and they get in each other’s way. You need players who can play full back and centre half, in the wide positions, with a centre half centrally. Imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Personally I like 3 central defenders, but prefer what Terry Venables did sometimes, play a strong full back as the wide centre half. Maybe Charlie Taylor could play on the left of a 3. Don’t know if he ever played centre half previously but he has the build. Bree probably not good enough the other side, but again he’s an old fashioned looking full back who could play as the wide man of a 3. The problem with 3 pure centre halves is they get run down the sides, and they get in each other’s way. You need players who can play full back and centre half, in the wide positions, with a centre half centrally. Imo. I’m fairly certain Bertrand played at times in that role for Ronald in his second season and earlier in Ralph’s against some of the top sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 15 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Personally I like 3 central defenders, but prefer what Terry Venables did sometimes, play a strong full back as the wide centre half. Maybe Charlie Taylor could play on the left of a 3. Don’t know if he ever played centre half previously but he has the build. Bree probably not good enough the other side, but again he’s an old fashioned looking full back who could play as the wide man of a 3. The problem with 3 pure centre halves is they get run down the sides, and they get in each other’s way. You need players who can play full back and centre half, in the wide positions, with a centre half centrally. Imo. Yeah, Charlie Taylor has played centre half so could probably do the job you describe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franniesTache Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 I don't think the OP's point is as stupid as some people make it. Obviously time will tell but the initial sense is that Martin is as out of his depth at this level as Jones was. His refusal to adapt his style when it's clearly suicidal at the top level (unless you have the backing of an oil nation) screams of a manager way out of his depth. Also Jones was accused of arrogance but Martin seems equally as arrogant to me. The only difference is Martin is deemed to be great by our posh/middle class fans who think there's a "right" way to play football, when the truth is the only right way to play football is to win games. I'd have no issue with Saints playing long ball, shit house football, where the players dived to win penalties and we time wasted from the first minute, if it meant we won every game 1-0. This idea that there's some kind of morally better thing about passing a lot is such pretentious, stuck up bollocks. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 All the top sides go long at times when it’s necessary and that’s what we simply don’t seem willing to do. Maybe that, along with a personnel change, will change after the international break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted September 15 Author Share Posted September 15 Nathan Jones still bossing this head-2-head... Could be playing him next season. Charlton are 2nd in League 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 On 03/09/2024 at 14:14, franniesTache said: I don't think the OP's point is as stupid as some people make it. Obviously time will tell but the initial sense is that Martin is as out of his depth at this level as Jones was. His refusal to adapt his style when it's clearly suicidal at the top level (unless you have the backing of an oil nation) screams of a manager way out of his depth. Also Jones was accused of arrogance but Martin seems equally as arrogant to me. The only difference is Martin is deemed to be great by our posh/middle class fans who think there's a "right" way to play football, when the truth is the only right way to play football is to win games. I'd have no issue with Saints playing long ball, shit house football, where the players dived to win penalties and we time wasted from the first minute, if it meant we won every game 1-0. This idea that there's some kind of morally better thing about passing a lot is such pretentious, stuck up bollocks. What a load of bollocks, the idea that the style of football you prefer is linked to class is one of the most bizarre things I have ever read on here, and that is saying something. Martin got us promoted at the first attempt so the fans have rightly cut him some slack, he is probably out of his depth but in my opinion deserves to at least be given a chance to prove himself. Jones was a complete disaster from day one, he took a side that had stayed up comfortably for seasons and fucked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 20 minutes ago, aintforever said: What a load of bollocks, the idea that the style of football you prefer is linked to class is one of the most bizarre things I have ever read on here, and that is saying something. Martin got us promoted at the first attempt so the fans have rightly cut him some slack, he is probably out of his depth but in my opinion deserves to at least be given a chance to prove himself. Jones was a complete disaster from day one, he took a side that had stayed up comfortably for seasons and fucked it. Your last comment re Jones isn’t entirely accurate. Yes, things got worse under him but he took over a squad in decline, low on confidence, and had been for eighteen months. There’s a reason there was a vacancy for him to fill. Of course things went downhill even more rapidly after he arrived, but he alone didn’t bring about the collapse of a comfortably mid-table side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 6 minutes ago, Badger said: Your last comment re Jones isn’t entirely accurate. Yes, things got worse under him but he took over a squad in decline, low on confidence, and had been for eighteen months. There’s a reason there was a vacancy for him to fill. Of course things went downhill even more rapidly after he arrived, but he alone didn’t bring about the collapse of a comfortably mid-table side. True, we were in decline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted September 30 Author Share Posted September 30 Jones the better premier league manager? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Jones the better premier league manager? Unless we beat Arsenal Saturday he’s got less points than Jones did in his 8 games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Unless we beat Arsenal Saturday he’s got less points than Jones did in his 8 games. Two totally different styles but both complete failures in this league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Well done Russell. You got yourself a bumper contract and a girlfriend with massive tits. Can you fuck off now please? (Yes Bad Wolf, I know he won’t, I didn’t mean it literally). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Can't really compare the two. Very different squads. Both totally bonkers though. Neither has the mentality needed for the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 I hope Lucy doesn't put out until his performance improves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Just now, St Chalet said: I hope Lucy doesn't put out until his performance improves. Averaging less than 10 touches in the box per 90 minutes. She's probably as bored as we are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Who’s worst the Yorkshire Ripper or Myra Hindley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 I’ve lost faith in Martin and he needs to go but this thread is retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted October 19 Author Share Posted October 19 can we compare yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: can we compare yet? Definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mboto Gorge Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 (edited) As poor as Jones was, Let’s not forget he also presided over 2 cup wins against pretty much full strength Prem sides in Palace and City, as well as winning at Everton. So for me there’s no comparison, Martin is even more clueless than Jones. 1 point from 8 games that includes Bournemouth, forest , Brentford, Ipswich and Leicester? Yeah, time to fuck off Russ Edited October 19 by Mboto Gorge 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 I’d rather have Jones. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LGTL said: I’d rather have Jones. At least he was self absorbed in a full-on parody way. Behind the ineptitude was a bloke who I personally wouldn't have minded having a pint with. Tee Total he may have been (pretty sure I read that somewhere) but he at least he would have gone for a Guinness Zero. Russell Martin on the other hand probably wouldn't want to even enter a pub. Edited October 19 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mboto Gorge Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 (edited) On 30/09/2024 at 22:42, Wiggles31 said: I’ve lost faith in Martin and he needs to go but this thread is retarded. Why’s that? Martin has nothing on his CV to suggest he’s any better than Jones, and his premier league results are now worse, so what’s retarded about it? Is it because it’s far more fashionable to paint Jones as more of a loser than Martin? Edited October 19 by Mboto Gorge 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: can we compare yet? Sadly, yes. Even worse, Nathan fucking Jones is coming out on top! Edited October 19 by Weston Super Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 There is some horrible revisionism going on here. I know we're all frustrated but Nathan Jones wouldn't have got us promoted last season, look at Charlton, one of the biggest teams in League 1 and a bigger budget than most, but stuck in mid table. Jones was woefully out of his depth with an established Premier League team. I don't see Martin being hopelessly out of his depth in the same way. Yes he's made mistakes but sorry it is chalk and cheese. Martin with a better squad would do alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 20 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: There is some horrible revisionism going on here. I know we're all frustrated but Nathan Jones wouldn't have got us promoted last season, look at Charlton, one of the biggest teams in League 1 and a bigger budget than most, but stuck in mid table. Jones was woefully out of his depth with an established Premier League team. I don't see Martin being hopelessly out of his depth in the same way. Yes he's made mistakes but sorry it is chalk and cheese. Martin with a better squad would do alright. Nathan Jones delivered success beyond all measure for Luton. Martin delivered the same failings we have seen in our own side for both Swansea and the franchise. While reveling in nauseating praise for his flawed playing style that drove their fans mad. In this duel of the damned, I would be wanting the lad from the valleys every time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 They are both equally shite. Which speaks volumes about the sheer incompetence of SR. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 Pelligrino has gone from our worst top flight manager to the 4th worst in a couple of years and Mark Hughes is Pep like compared to this clown. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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