Russell Martin v Nathan Jones

[Toussaint]

  On 04/12/2024 at 22:23, Bobbyboy said:

Russell Martin v Nathan Jones

Available on pay per view. Fight to the death. winner to fight Ian Branfoot.

 

I'd watch it.

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Russ wouldn’t take the fight, think of the risk to his hair!

[Lighthouse]

  On 04/12/2024 at 20:26, Harry_SFC said:

Jones got more shit because of the way he came across in interviews. In actual football terms Martin is probably worse. 

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Jones got sh*t because of this. I’m not going to defend Martin on this thread but let’s not rewrite Jones, his tenure here was detestable garbage.

 

[trousers]

  On 04/12/2024 at 23:56, Lighthouse said:

I’m not going to defend Martin

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[Dman]

  On 04/12/2024 at 20:23, AlexLaw76 said:

Nathan Jones is just much better than the fraud that is Russell Martin

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On a serious note, take away style of football, nice hair and hipster cucks.. Jones achievements as a manager, pound for pound, far outweigh anything RM has achieved. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 05/12/2024 at 08:32, Dman said:

On a serious note, take away style of football, nice hair and hipster cucks.. Jones achievements as a manager, pound for pound, far outweigh anything RM has achieved. 

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That’s so obvious it doesn’t need writing. 
 

Martin has better PR and a band of defenders & press that want to show their superiority over the plebs. They understand the “process”, they have the football intelligence to comprehend his tactical approach. Unlike the dinosaurs who look at irrelevant things like, results, they appreciate what he’s trying to build. 
 

They’ve drunk the Lego Kool-aid, there’s no helping them. 

[Ted Bates Statue]

  On 19/10/2024 at 22:00, Pamplemousse said:

There is some horrible revisionism going on here. I know we're all frustrated but Nathan Jones wouldn't have got us promoted last season, look at Charlton, one of the biggest teams in League 1 and a bigger budget than most, but stuck in mid table.

Jones was woefully out of his depth with an established Premier League team. 

 

I don't see Martin being hopelessly out of his depth in the same way. Yes he's made mistakes but sorry it is chalk and cheese. Martin with a better squad would do alright.

 

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At a glance, one of the few sensible posts on this thread was written weeks ago in October, but Nathan Jones is still being comfortably outshined by his successor Ruben Selles who is operating on a shoestring budget to get Reading into the playoff places.

One of these managers will be managing in a higher division than League One sooner or later.

Here's a hint: It is not going to be Nathan Fucking Jones.

[edit - didn't realise my words would actually come true this afternoon 🤣]

Edited 5 December, 2024 by Ted Bates Statue

[gecko]

  On 04/12/2024 at 23:56, Lighthouse said:

Jones got sh*t because of this. I’m not going to defend Martin on this thread but let’s not rewrite Jones, his tenure here was detestable garbage.

 

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So Everton have lost to two of the worst Southampton sides to ever stink up the Premier League... talk about embarrassing.

[AlexLaw76]

Not fit to lace the boots of Nathan Jones

[Suhari]

  On 07/12/2024 at 17:01, AlexLaw76 said:

Not fit to lace the boots of Nathan Jones

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And that's fucking saying something.

Fuck me, SR have hired some shit in their time here.

[LGTL]

SR have been responsible for hiring the two worst PL managers of all time. Of that there is no doubt. How can you get it so wrong? 

I’d have Jones over Martin though. 

[S-Clarke]

  On 07/12/2024 at 17:43, Suhari said:

And that's fucking saying something.

Fuck me, SR have hired some shit in their time here.

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This is a bit of the counter argument, in my eyes the root problem needs to be sorted before we change again or buy players again. The root problem is a lack of footballing knowledge in the DoF or scouting department, none of them have any idea what football is about. Sadly Martin's position is now simply untenable, so it has to happen, but I wouldn't expect a good call for the next manager with the current setup behind the scenes.

So, scrap all of those, go and snap up some of the scouts Brighton let go and hire a reputable director of football. At that point we may be able to start making the right decisions, but until that happens I don't want SR spending another penny.

[aintforever]

  On 07/12/2024 at 19:29, S-Clarke said:

This is a bit of the counter argument, in my eyes the root problem needs to be sorted before we change again or buy players again. The root problem is a lack of footballing knowledge in the DoF or scouting department, none of them have any idea what football is about. Sadly Martin's position is now simply untenable, so it has to happen, but I wouldn't expect a good call for the next manager with the current setup behind the scenes.

So, scrap all of those, go and snap up some of the scouts Brighton let go and hire a reputable director of football. At that point we may be able to start making the right decisions, but until that happens I don't want SR spending another penny.

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That’s the only reason I can think of for the delay, they are getting rid of the whole lot. Seems little point in just sacking the manager when those above him are clearly clueless.

[AlexLaw76]

  On 07/12/2024 at 20:03, aintforever said:

That’s the only reason I can think of for the delay, they are getting rid of the whole lot. Seems little point in just sacking the manager when those above him are clearly clueless.

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I hope this to be the case

[SaintTex]

so SR sacks Jones after 3 points in 8 matches, but sits on their thumb while Martin goes 5 points in 15 matches?

are they even wanting to stay up this go around?

[Gloucester Saint]

  On 07/12/2024 at 20:03, aintforever said:

That’s the only reason I can think of for the delay, they are getting rid of the whole lot. Seems little point in just sacking the manager when those above him are clearly clueless.

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That strange camera-lit meeting at SMS on Weds night was clearly meant to be seen. If it wasn’t confirming RM’s departure (I still think it was related to it) then it was something significant relating to SR’s structure.

Dragan if he is vaguely sane cannot be looking at Rasmus’s performance with SFC and Valenciennes and thinking ‘things are going OK’. Ben Chorley is very unpopular as Rasmus’s DoF puppet there. If he must be involved in SR, limit it to Goztepe and get big names as DoFs for Saints and Valenciennes, profiles that can start to rebuild the rubble of SR’s relationships with the communities. 

[aintforever]

  On 07/12/2024 at 20:27, SaintTex said:

so SR sacks Jones after 3 points in 8 matches, but sits on their thumb while Martin goes 5 points in 15 matches?

are they even wanting to stay up this go around?

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Difference is Martin was successful in his first season in charge so I get the impression they got carried away with the promotion and thought they had found the new Pep. SR have nailed themselves to his mast and probably know it’s a case of make this a success or they are screwed. The problem is there is no DOF, they were probably wanking over the possession stats when everyone who knows football could see that his style of play would be a struggle in the Prem.

He deserved a shot at it but a competent DOF would have known the likely result of him not changing his style and had a few options lined up. Russ should have got the bullet at the first international break and the new man brought in the next day.

[hypochondriac]

  On 07/12/2024 at 19:29, S-Clarke said:

This is a bit of the counter argument, in my eyes the root problem needs to be sorted before we change again or buy players again. The root problem is a lack of footballing knowledge in the DoF or scouting department, none of them have any idea what football is about. Sadly Martin's position is now simply untenable, so it has to happen, but I wouldn't expect a good call for the next manager with the current setup behind the scenes.

So, scrap all of those, go and snap up some of the scouts Brighton let go and hire a reputable director of football. At that point we may be able to start making the right decisions, but until that happens I don't want SR spending another penny.

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I was under the impression that relegation last time out was when we were supposed to have the refresh and a new direction. We appointed a DOF and then never replaced him which is frankly just weird. 

[OttawaSaint]

Martin isn't fit to lick the shit off of Nathan's leek!

[S-Clarke]

  On 08/12/2024 at 01:28, hypochondriac said:

I was under the impression that relegation last time out was when we were supposed to have the refresh and a new direction. We appointed a DOF and then never replaced him which is frankly just weird. 

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This is the problem, we have owners with zero direction or idea for what they want to do. Like you say, they went full on DoF and everyone bought into that, and by January he was gone and they didn't feel it was fit to replace him. I think we've got a former rugby head of performance in the equivalent role now.

SR need to figure out their plan and stick to it, they keep wobbling all over the place.

[hypochondriac]

  On 08/12/2024 at 11:54, S-Clarke said:

This is the problem, we have owners with zero direction or idea for what they want to do. Like you say, they went full on DoF and everyone bought into that, and by January he was gone and they didn't feel it was fit to replace him. I think we've got a former rugby head of performance in the equivalent role now.

SR need to figure out their plan and stick to it, they keep wobbling all over the place.

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Not sure about anyone else but I thought we handled the relegation summer really well and Wilcox in particular made us seem like a serious club again. Just nonsensical to basically shrug our shoulders when he left and do nothing to replace him. 

[Ted Bates Statue]

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/charlton-athletic-nathan-jones-making-southampton-mistakes/

"With the greatest of respect, I've played against Man City and they didn't have a shot on target"

[skintsaint]

  On 12/12/2024 at 08:00, Ted Bates Statue said:

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/charlton-athletic-nathan-jones-making-southampton-mistakes/

"With the greatest of respect, I've played against Man City and they didn't have a shot on target"

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Was a Masterclass...

 

[AlexLaw76]

Anyone still think Martin is better?