Cameron Archer

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

The problem is most of our signings are gambles bar the likes of Ramsdale..  I’d rather we went for it on someone who actually looks quality rather then keep taking punts .. 

how many strikers have not worked out now ?  Better to go all out for one that can cut it rather then five that don’t 

Yeah, just a small problem with that.

[pimpin4rizeal]

8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Yeah, just a small problem with that.

I mean at one point we where signing Italian internationals like Osvaldo gabbiadini and pelle .  How well they worked out is one thing but it looked a hell of a lot more ambitious then the championship kinda strikers we go for now  

 

Edited September 21 by pimpin4rizeal

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Yeah I got that. But perhaps Archer wasn't actually the 'backup' option. Had we signed Delap, it's possible we might still have signed Archer and not BBD. 

I'm just saying I'm quite glad we didn't waste that money on Delap, cos from what I've seen he's no better than what we have.

If bbd was the Delap replacement then it makes it even more bizarre that we continue to play him on the wing. 

[david in sweden]

All players (especially strikers) need some luck, and so far Archer hasn't had so much, (although he did score twice in the Cardiff Cup game). 

After last week's penalty miss (bad call by RM who should have had a designated penalty-taker) like Brereton-Diaz who has scored some before)

but sadly Archer still lacked good fortune with one shot hitting the post and another bouncing of the goalies chest. 

 

One must be philosophical so I remind myself that in season 2002-3 ..the young James Beattie .. went 10 games before scoring his first Prem. goal

and then began a scoring spree netting 23 times in the next 25 matches and narrowly missed the Golden Boot which finally went to Thierry Henry. 

 

Before anyone points out the obvious.. it's still early season and as soon as he gets off the mark, Archer may well get a change of luck, too. 

[Greedyfly]

My issue with Archer is a) we don't have the luxury of time and b) he's another one that's never scored goals anywhere consistently. 

 

That being said I don't mind him actually being in the attacking 3, just not the central man. He doesn't look clinical enough and he doesn't look strong enough. I'd be inclined to start Stewart, or, God forbid, Onuachu, and play AA or Archer in Frasers spot (who always seems to be a better sub than starter).

[verlaine1979]

Like Watkins, he's a CF who plays on the shoulder rather than a target man, which is hard for him to do when our attacks build so slowly that the defense is set on the edge of their box by the time we've inched it forward.

In Dibling and Fernandes we have two starters (+ Lallana) who can pick a through-ball. We need to choose an approach that allows us to play to our strengths rather than emphasizing our weaknesses.

[Osvaldorama]

Essentially we don’t seem to play the tactics that will allow him to flourish, which is why it was a strange signing. 
 

We played our best football with Che as a target man allowing us to get our crab football further up the pitch. 
 

None of the tactics we are employing are getting the best out of any of the squad tbh. 

[Dusic]

15 hours ago, Greedyfly said:

That being said I don't mind him actually being in the attacking 3, just not the central man. He doesn't look clinical enough and he doesn't look strong enough. I'd be inclined to start Stewart, or, God forbid, Onuachu, and play AA or Archer in Frasers spot (who always seems to be a better sub than starter).

Clinical finishes vs Cardiff and looked pretty strong for his 2nd chance on Saturday where he muscled in between two defenders to get the shot away.

IMO he looks like someone who has good PL attributes and with Fernandes, Dibling and Lallana hopefully some players who can find him.

Reality - like for all the clubs near the bottom - is you can't buy players with proven records in top leagues because they already play for top sides (or are like Ings are probably a bit past it).

[Dusic]

12 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Essentially we don’t seem to play the tactics that will allow him to flourish, which is why it was a strange signing. 
 

We played our best football with Che as a target man allowing us to get our crab football further up the pitch. 
 

None of the tactics we are employing are getting the best out of any of the squad tbh. 

Tactics creates two clear chances that people are moaning he didn't take.

Looked pretty clear they want to slip through balls into him...and it worked (see first sentence).

[Whitey Grandad]

45 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Tactics creates two clear chances that people are moaning he didn't take.

Looked pretty clear they want to slip through balls into him...and it worked (see first sentence).

But he was crowded out of scoring. He needs help up there.

[skintsaint]

I'd be more worried if he wasn't in those positions or missing the target completely. First chance on his weak foot, off balance on a tight angle...inch to the right and we would be rubbing ourselves off on what a great goal it is. 2nd chance is easier but the ball gets away from him right at the end so can only stretch and connect with the ball rather than have any influence on the ball direction as much. Keeper spread himself and saved well it has to be said. Reckon he will get 10 at least this season. 

When he starts missing open goals from a yard out I'll be concerned...

[kitch]

15 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

I'd be more worried if he wasn't in those positions or missing the target completely. First chance on his weak foot, off balance on a tight angle...inch to the right and we would be rubbing ourselves off on what a great goal it is. 2nd chance is easier but the ball gets away from him right at the end so can only stretch and connect with the ball rather than have any influence on the ball direction as much. Keeper spread himself and saved well it has to be said. Reckon he will get 10 at least this season. 

When he starts missing open goals from a yard out I'll be concerned...

He likely will if people start piling in on him early in the season.

[david in sweden]

21 hours ago, Greedyfly said:

My issue with Archer is a) we don't have the luxury of time and b) he's another one that's never scored goals anywhere consistently. 

 

That being said I don't mind him actually being in the attacking 3, just not the central man. He doesn't look clinical enough and he doesn't look strong enough.

I'd be inclined to start Stewart, or, God forbid, Onuachu, and play AA or Archer in Frasers spot (who always seems to be a better sub than starter).

 

Well TP is still our player, at least until January, and to be fair he has had a rough deal from Saints who bought him for Nathan Jones, after

which he was rejected by Selles  who ignored him in a team lacking support for a man of his stature in a side that was totally unbalanced

and wallowing in the drop zone.

Onuacho did well in Turkey (no-one is certain of the quality of their football), but he scored a bucket load of goals there last season and

they weren't all tap-ins.  Our other established strikers haven't scored,  so he in the same situation as Brereton-Diaz, Armstrong and Stewart . 

As this thread is about Cameron Archer, it should be remembered that he wasn't first choice buy in the window, and had limited time at

Villa (behind Ollie Watkins). Strikers often have dry spells and no-one else is scoring on a regular basis either.

I don't think Archer is a bad buy, but it takes time for new players to gell into the side, and the whole team is still trying to settle and is under

a lot of pressure..

Edited September 23 by david in sweden

[davefizzy14]

I think its only a matter of time before the goals will start coming for Archer who I think is a good signing 😊

[vectraman]

21 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

I think its only a matter of time before the goals will start coming for Archer who I think is a good signing 😊

His movement is good, with a touch more luck he would have scored two on Saturday. It’ll come for him. He’s a definite upgrade on Che. 
A little patience required, but I’ve got a feeling he will work out just fine with us. 

[Whitey Grandad]

He’s promising, but he can’t do it all on his own.

[Saint NL]

I was surprised by this, I didn't really have him down as a speedster.. .

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Saint NL said:

I was surprised by this, I didn't really have him down as a speedster.. .

And that's from reviving from a coma, waiting for a pass. 🙂

[Suhari]

2 hours ago, Saint NL said:

I was surprised by this, I didn't really have him down as a speedster.. .

So he's quick, but is he.....?

[bugenhagen]

1 minute ago, Suhari said:

So he's quick, but is he.....?

No, no, no, no

[Bad Wolf]

18 minutes ago, Suhari said:

So he's quick, but is he.....?

Rudi-quick?

[pingpong]

3 hours ago, Saint NL said:

I was surprised by this, I didn't really have him down as a speedster.. .

Hard to know, do our players really get the opportunity to go full pelt? Usually only if they are running back to recover lost possession, it's rare that our forwards get in a foot race.

[bugenhagen]

3 minutes ago, pingpong said:

Hard to know, do our players really get the opportunity to go full pelt? Usually only if they are running back to recover lost possession, it's rare that our forwards get in a foot race.

When Dibling played him through against Ipswich. Probably some speed over distance there. 

[Dusic]

Archer should definitely be starting IMO. Looks the only striker who can create a shooting chance for himself, is a threat in behind which is needed for the games vs the best sides as stops them defending on the halfway line and was unlucky not to score vs Ipswich.

Very harshly dropped - an error!

[Dusic]

On 03/10/2024 at 12:16, Dusic said:

Archer should definitely be starting IMO. Looks the only striker who can create a shooting chance for himself, is a threat in behind which is needed for the games vs the best sides as stops them defending on the halfway line and was unlucky not to score vs Ipswich.

Very harshly dropped - an error!

As above...should have started today but at least has shown he is a must pick for the next block of games.

[Saint_clark]

Him on the left, Onuachu middle and Dibling on the right for me. 

[Osvaldorama]

Good finish today and very happy to see him working harder. Good lad 

[davefizzy14]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Him on the left, Onuachu middle and Dibling on the right for me. 

Absolutely this for me. Definitely the front three for the next game after the international break. Really pleased for Archer that he got his first league goal today. He is a quality finisher 😊

Edited October 5 by davefizzy14

[gurru991]

On 22/09/2024 at 11:40, verlaine1979 said:

Like Watkins, he's a CF who plays on the shoulder rather than a target man, which is hard for him to do when our attacks build so slowly that the defense is set on the edge of their box by the time we've inched it forward.

In Dibling and Fernandes we have two starters (+ Lallana) who can pick a through-ball. We need to choose an approach that allows us to play to our strengths rather than emphasizing our weaknesses.

I like Cameron Archer but I agree with you that his style of play doesn't fit with how Martin wants to play.

[saintant]

5 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

I like Cameron Archer but I agree with you that his style of play doesn't fit with how Martin wants to play.

So his style of play is not slow, backwards and sideways and pass the ball until its surface is worn off then?

[verlaine1979]

3 hours ago, gurru991 said:

I like Cameron Archer but I agree with you that his style of play doesn't fit with how Martin wants to play.

I'm not sure which kind of striker fits a manager who wants to build slowly, never attempt through balls and rarely put in crosses.

[StrangelyBrown]

On 05/10/2024 at 18:43, Dusic said:

As above...should have started today but at least has shown he is a must pick for the next block of games.

But we all know that "must pick" isn't a setting on the RM forward line tombola....

[benjii]

9 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

I'm not sure which kind of striker fits a manager who wants to build slowly, never attempt through balls and rarely put in crosses.

False one.

[davefizzy14]

Two goals in two games now for Archer 😊

[CSA96]

To be fair, he gets in the right places a lot and he's quick at getting there. Has really decent movement and is an instinctive finisher who doesn't usually want too many touches and doesn't want to pass everything into the net. Even in the Ipswich and United games, although he wasn't converting and was hitting the woodwork/whatever else, he was finding the right spots and making himself available

If he gets a second relegation on his CV and another sub-10 goal season, which he most likely will do, I don't see him getting a move and can easily see him having a big, big goalscoring season with us next year. Should be a talent if we can tie him down for a few years and let him find his feet down here, still only 22

Edited October 21 by CSA96

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

To be fair, he gets in the right places a lot and he's quick at getting there. Has really decent movement and is an instinctive finisher who doesn't usually want too many touches and doesn't want to pass everything into the net. Even in the Ipswich and United games, although he wasn't converting and was hitting the woodwork/whatever else, he was finding the right spots and making himself available

If he gets a second relegation on his CV and another sub-10 goal season, which he most likely will do, I don't see him getting a move and can easily see him having a big, big goalscoring season with us next year. Should be a talent if we can tie him down for a few years and let him find his feet down here, still only 22

No other striker we've got scores the goal at Arsenal he got. His goal saturday Armstrong wouldn't have got a look in and Adams would have been on his heels on the edge of the box, looks a decent signing so far to me. Decent finisher with good movement, something we've not had for ages.

Edited October 21 by Turkish

[Gloucester Saint]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

No other striker we've got scores the goal at Arsenal he got. His goal saturday Armstrong wouldn't have got a look in and Adams would have been on his heels on the edge of the box, looks a decent signing so far to me. Decent finisher with good movement, something we've not had for ages.

I like him, first instinctive finisher we’ve had since Ings. Big step up from AA, different player to Adams who is a second link/hold up striker really but not an instinctive finisher at all. Him and Onachu are our most dangerous forwards this season, not that it’s saying a lot!

His movement warrants earlier deliveries than he’s been getting.

[suewhistle]

29 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

still only 22

I didn't realise that, he seems older, so perhaps there is room for improvement. He already has some of the basic attributes we've been missing.

[egg]

26 minutes ago, Turkish said:

No other striker we've got scores the goal at Arsenal he got. His goal saturday Armstrong wouldn't have got a look in and Adams would have been on his heels on the edge of the box, looks a decent signing so far to me. Decent finisher with good movement, something we've not had for ages.

Yep. I like his movement and instinctive shooting. Good signing on the evidence so far. I'd like to see him tried playing off and around the big fella. Not happening under RM though. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

I would like to have seen TP lay off that ball to Archer on Saturday instead of to Sulemana. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

I liked him a lot when he made appearances for Villa in the Cup, as a teenager. Although I hadn't followed his development, his getting some goals last season was promising. I was pleased when we signed him, and good to see him get a couple of goals. In our current set up, getting goals can be opportunistic and despite the system.

[CSA96]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep. I like his movement and instinctive shooting. Good signing on the evidence so far. I'd like to see him tried playing off and around the big fella. Not happening under RM though. 

Would definitely be interesting to see him in a duo. I feel a bit for BBD because he's not had minutes where he's actually been put anywhere near the box and he knows Archer's game. It's no coincidence we've actually had chances (whether scoring or missing them is another thing) when Archer has been running and pulling defenders about

[Miltonaggro]

14 hours ago, CSA96 said:

Would definitely be interesting to see him in a duo. I feel a bit for BBD because he's not had minutes where he's actually been put anywhere near the box and he knows Archer's game. It's no coincidence we've actually had chances (whether scoring or missing them is another thing) when Archer has been running and pulling defenders about

Agree with this, and nuts that it hasn't been tried.

[Football Special]

14 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I like him, first instinctive finisher we’ve had since Ings. Big step up from AA, different player to Adams who is a second link/hold up striker really but not an instinctive finisher at all. Him and Onachu are our most dangerous forwards this season, not that it’s saying a lot!

His movement warrants earlier deliveries than he’s been getting.

Agree with this, particularly noticed on Saturday how hard working he is moving off the ball, needs faster service as we're so slow going forward to benefit from it 

[saintant]

Listen, anyone who can score 2 goals for this shit, badly coached and poorly set up team in the number of minutes he's played is some sort of elite striker.

[S-Clarke]

He's decent, certainly better than that lumbering BBD.

He'll be huge in the Championship next season.

[Miltonaggro]

Was watching Onuachu and Sulemana on Saturday, most of their play was right in front of me right wing and centre.  Fucking hell they looked dire, with Onuachu telling Sulemana to knock the ball on to him from any long passes but not much idea otherwise.  He did one signature 'malfunctioning android' run which bemused the fuck out of the Leicester defence but then fell over, the lumberjack theme seems a key feature of his game.  Compared to those two BBD and Archer look a partnership akin to Rogers and Hammerstein!

[Cabrone]

I like him, he looks like he has prem quality about him if he's given the service. I want to see him as part of  strike unit of Onachu, Dibling Fernandez and Lallana. That is a unit that IMO could score enough to at least give us a chance.

With a better manager stiffening up the defence we could and should be way more competitive than we are right now.

Not saying it would be enough to keep us up but it should be possible to at least keep us in the mix.

Given how much it is worth to the club to stay in this league I can't imagine their loyalty to RM is going to extend much further. IMO they only have a handful of games to change course now.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

On 22/10/2024 at 11:57, Cabrone said:

I like him, he looks like he has prem quality about him if he's given the service. I want to see him as part of  strike unit of Onachu, Dibling Fernandez and Lallana. That is a unit that IMO could score enough to at least give us a chance.

With a better manager stiffening up the defence we could and should be way more competitive than we are right now.

Not saying it would be enough to keep us up but it should be possible to at least keep us in the mix.

Given how much it is worth to the club to stay in this league I can't imagine their loyalty to RM is going to extend much further. IMO they only have a handful of games to change course now.

Totally agree. Genuinely think Archer is looking like one of the most competent strikers we've signed in quite a few years. He gets in to positions which people like AA, Mara etc etc just didn't see.