Cameron Archer

[hypochondriac]

13 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Creating chances is the key, doesn’t matter who we have up top if we don’t create opportunities.  Diaz, Archer and Armstrong have all shown they can score goals given the chances.

Have they shown they can score goals given chances in the prem? Diaz showed glimpses but that isn't case for the other two yet. They might well do but there's no evidence as yet. 

[a1ex2001]

34 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Have they shown they can score goals given chances in the prem? Diaz showed glimpses but that isn't case for the other two yet. They might well do but there's no evidence as yet. 

Archer and Armstrong have both shown they are top quality Championship players so there is no reason to suspect they can’t step up and get 7/8 goals in the premier league.  Archer did well when you look at his XG for last year and BBD’s stats say if he played the whole season he would have been into double figures playing for one of the worst teams in the leagues history.  Let’s try and be optimistic, I’m not seeing a lot of proven premier league goal scorers going for a price we can afford!

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Archer and Armstrong have both shown they are top quality Championship players so there is no reason to suspect they can’t step up and get 7/8 goals in the premier league.  Archer did well when you look at his XG for last year and BBD’s stats say if he played the whole season he would have been into double figures playing for one of the worst teams in the leagues history.  Let’s try and be optimistic, I’m not seeing a lot of proven premier league goal scorers going for a price we can afford!

I made the same point about Archer's xg last week but the point is that it's untrue to say there is "no reason" to suspect they can't step up. The reason is that loads of successes in the championship have shown they can't make the step up - including Armstrong and Archer in previous seasons! 

It's about being realistic not lacking in optimism. The hope of course is that they buck their trend from previous seasons and that under a new style with a new player providing assists they will be able to increase their scoring rate in the prem. Until that actually happens though there is going to be a question mark about their abilities to score regularly enough to finish above 18th and it's just realistic to point that out. 

[a1ex2001]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I made the same point about Archer's xg last week but the point is that it's untrue to say there is "no reason" to suspect they can't step up. The reason is that loads of successes in the championship have shown they can't make the step up - including Armstrong and Archer in previous seasons! 

It's about being realistic not lacking in optimism. The hope of course is that they buck their trend from previous seasons and that under a new style with a new player providing assists they will be able to increase their scoring rate in the prem. Until that actually happens though there is going to be a question mark about their abilities to score regularly enough to finish above 18th and it's just realistic to point that out. 

Who is the proven 10-15 goal a year premier league striker we should sign though?  I don’t see them available at a price we can afford and any player we can afford from abroad is going to be as much of a risk as BBD or Archer.

[Gingeletiss]

1 minute ago, a1ex2001 said:

Who is the proven 10-15 goal a year premier league striker we should sign though?  I don’t see them available at a price we can afford and any player we can afford from abroad is going to be as much of a risk as BBD or Archer.

^^^^this

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Who is the proven 10-15 goal a year premier league striker we should sign though?  I don’t see them available at a price we can afford and any player we can afford from abroad is going to be as much of a risk as BBD or Archer.

I hate questions like this. It is for the club and the scouting departments to get a list of players to suit our systems with the ability to score goals and keep us up. You could have said where is the affordable box to box player with the passing ability to provide us with assists and approximately zero people on here would have said Mateus Fernandes before this week. Someone posted a Greek striker earlier who may not be affordable but certainly seems like the profile of player I would expect us to go for with the potential to score goals in this league. It's the club's job to find plenty of players not mine and they will have done so. 

Personally I'd be looking for a promising young striker from abroad on loan, maybe structured in a similar deal to Broja from Ipswich. Moukoko from Dortmund looks good, as does Nelson Weiper from Mainz. Both may be unrealistic to sign but we could maybe get them on loan. 

Edited 21 August, 2024 by hypochondriac

[WALK DMC]

28 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Archer and Armstrong have both shown they are top quality Championship players so there is no reason to suspect they can’t step up and get 7/8 goals in the premier league.  Archer did well when you look at his XG for last year and BBD’s stats say if he played the whole season he would have been into double figures playing for one of the worst teams in the leagues history.  Let’s try and be optimistic, I’m not seeing a lot of proven premier league goal scorers going for a price we can afford!

Last time around Armstrong scored 4 goals in 53 Premier league games. So I think that there is a very good reason to suspect that he cannot step up. 

On a more positive note, the team do play for him more and try to put through balls for him to run onto. When we were in the Premier, he would make the runs, but the midfielders didn't appear to be conscious of these. 

It is a shame that his 2nd half shot was saved against Newcastle, strikers thrive on confidence and my worry is that if the goals start to dry up he may return to the previous Premier league version that we saw for 2 seasons. 

[HKsaint]

1 hour ago, a1ex2001 said:

Who is the proven 10-15 goal a year premier league striker we should sign though?  I don’t see them available at a price we can afford and any player we can afford from abroad is going to be as much of a risk as BBD or Archer.

Ings

[Charlie Wayman]

1 hour ago, WALK DMC said:

Last time around Armstrong scored 4 goals in 53 Premier league games. So I think that there is a very good reason to suspect that he cannot step up. 

On a more positive note, the team do play for him more and try to put through balls for him to run onto. When we were in the Premier, he would make the runs, but the midfielders didn't appear to be conscious of these. 

It is a shame that his 2nd half shot was saved against Newcastle, strikers thrive on confidence and my worry is that if the goals start to dry up he may return to the previous Premier league version that we saw for 2 seasons. 

He's twice the player he was then, you don't need to worry. The coaches have got the very best out of him during the past 15 months. I reckon he'll surprise a lot of fans.

[Chez]

10 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

He's twice the player he was then, you don't need to worry. The coaches have got the very best out of him during the past 15 months. I reckon he'll surprise a lot of fans.

do you think he will get 10+ goals? 

He was brimming with confidence at the end of last season, so I'm hopeful, but you could say the same when he first joined I suppose. 

[Kermitzasaint]

On 19/08/2024 at 02:49, James said:

Glad to see we are giving a young player time before writing him off…

If only his previous playing record was easily available online. Then we could know what to expect

[CSA96]

16 minutes ago, Kermitzasaint said:

If only his previous playing record was easily available online. Then we could know what to expect

Not really how it works though, is it?

Not with any player, given context and changing circumstances are important. Certainly not with young players, they don't just continually mirror their first season or two for their entire career. Progression isn't linear either so while it tells us what he did in a very poor team previously, it's not a guarantee of anything (for better or worse). Let us not forget Lallana/Schneiderlin were once relegated to League 1 and considered ineffectual and yet both went on to be stellar Saints players, get selected for World Cups and play significant roles for teams up the top end domestically while competing in the Champions League

Edited 22 August, 2024 by CSA96

[Convict Colony]

Regarding Armstrong, we were a high pressing team who never had the ball when he played last in the pl.  Maybe this high possession approach suits his game better and in turn he will perform better this time around ? 

Will be interesting to watch but he has to stay where he played last season, that's his role not through the centre.

[Dusic]

Two really nice finishes last night, powerful and off both feet. Thought his movement was good all game - like that he doesn't seem overly bothered about dropping deeper, he knows where to be to get chances.

Very promising and definitely something to work with - feel like people had been a bit down on his signing, maybe because Sheff Utd were so poor last season? He looks to have good attributes.

 

[gio1saints]

Defoe-esque. Hopeful he can score as many for ys as that lad did in his career. 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

I thought Defoe did not score any at all for us.

[davefizzy14]

What I liked about Archer last night was that he was clinical and his movement is very good too 😊

[Andrew Watson]

I really hope Archer can score the goals that help keep us up,however 2 goals against Cardiff Reserves is hardly the right yardstick to hope this will be the case.

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Andrew Watson said:

I really hope Archer can score the goals that help keep us up,however 2 goals against Cardiff Reserves is hardly the right yardstick to hope this will be the case.

I agree but must admit the type of finish was impressive, plus the movement and touch he showed. And that's from someone that was disappointed we signed him as I thought he'd flop. 

[Baird of the land]

Utterly ineffective again when facing premier league opposition.

[Harry_SFC]

4 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Utterly ineffective again when facing premier league opposition.

Think he would've finished that chance AA messed up though 

[Baird of the land]

3 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Think he would've finished that chance AA messed up though 

Who knows if he’d have even been in right position to have it

[S-Clarke]

I think he's struggled so far at this level (last season included). I know people talk about players needing time etc, but just look at guys like Dibling and Fernandes - they just look at home almost immediately, and that's usually because of their quality. Quality is always there.

I think Archer will score goals, but he looks like a lower league forward to me. Much like AA, much like BBD. Lots of good Championship players, but pretty poor PL level players. I guess the hope is that they score enough collectively, but it's asking a hell of a lot - especially if we're conceding a bucket load a game.

From this point I have no idea how we survive.

Edited 31 August, 2024 by S-Clarke

[Gloucester Saint]

27 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think he's struggled so far at this level (last season included). I know people talk about players needing time etc, but just look at guys like Dibling and Fernandes - they just look at home almost immediately, and that's usually because of their quality. Quality is always there.

I think Archer will score goals, but he looks like a lower league forward to me. Much like AA, much like BBD. Lots of good Championship players, but pretty poor PL level players. I guess the hope is that they score enough collectively, but it's asking a hell of a lot - especially if we're conceding a bucket load a game.

From this point I have no idea how we survive.

They need the ball in front of them or into feet. There’s no Che or Pelle type second striker who Ings fed off when we went more direct, and all of the laboured possession gives them little chance to lose their markers. AA didn’t have a good time last time out and missed a sitter today but he thrives on through balls. And we only get the chance to play those by competing in midfield, moving the game there and breaking down the opposition and recycling well.

Defenders defend. We won’t be a pressing team like under Ralph but have to maximise what we have. Luton were always in games for the bulk of last season, and this squad is better than they had.

[Dusic]

Archer is a finisher. If you give him chances he will score. He got two nice ones in his only start of the season and after that he should have started today.

Arma has missed sitters vs Newcastle and again today - two tap ins that if he scores all of a sudden he has 2 in 3 and everyone says he is on fire.

If Archer does little else but score those type of chances more reliably then he will get 10 PL goals.

IMO he deserves a run of starts in that central position with hopefully a more cohesive and creative midfield - certainly before he is written off. 

[Osvaldorama]

Another absolutely dreadful striker signing. 
 

Fucking woeful today. Weak, lazy and the penalty was atrocious. Can’t accept his lack of running/closing down. Really really poor

[Badger]

No point going on about it I know, but Miovski was a decent penalty taker for Aberdeen. £4.5m plus add ons.

Just for comparison purposes. 

[sambosa75]

We’ve been blessed with some great penalty takers throughout the years.  He is not one of them.  Poor lad looked like a rabbit in the headlights before he took it today.

Edited 14 September, 2024 by sambosa75

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Not sure why Brereton Diaz gave up the ball. I thought I saw a stat which said he’s scored 7 from 7 who far, whilst Archer has never taken one. Not going to crucify him though; he’s gone from that horrific Sheffield United side to a Saints side not really creating much either which must be quite disheartening. He’s young and I think he’ll eventually be decent but maybe not leading the line just yet.

[SambaMaverick]

Bet he smashes em in and gives it all the biggun no look panenka shit in training 

That's the problem with mental midgets like this guy, we've got half a team of them

[Baird of the land]

An English sekou Mara.

[AlexLaw76]

Why on earth have we signed him?

[Dusic]

I was at the game and thought he was good. Looks like he has the pace and movement in behind to get chances in behind and pretty unlucky not to score one of them.

Felt it was a strange sub to take him off and we didn't benefit from it.

Certainly our best option up front.

[Football Special]

1 minute ago, Dusic said:

I was at the game and thought he was good. Looks like he has the pace and movement in behind to get chances in behind and pretty unlucky not to score one of them.

Felt it was a strange sub to take him off and we didn't benefit from it.

Certainly our best option up front.

Yeah he got involved more today, good effort to get into position for those two chances , shame one didn't end up in the back of the net 

[Badger]

3 minutes ago, Dusic said:

I was at the game and thought he was good. Looks like he has the pace and movement in behind to get chances in behind and pretty unlucky not to score one of them.

Felt it was a strange sub to take him off and we didn't benefit from it.

Certainly our best option up front.

Therein lies the problem.

[FarehamSaintJames]

He’s like Messi compared to BBD.

[Whitey Grandad]

He needed support up alongside him. Playing on his own with two marking him tightly he was never going to get much joy.

[Dusic]

10 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

He needed support up alongside him. Playing on his own with two marking him tightly he was never going to get much joy.

He got enough joy to have two very good chances, partly of his own making.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Dusic said:

was at the game and thought he was good.

Fuvk me, you’re easily pleased. He’s been fucking  pony so far. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Dusic said:

He got enough joy to have two very good chances, partly of his own making.

Indeed. Just imagine if he had someone to support him and keep the defenders occupied.

[Badger]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

He needed support up alongside him. Playing on his own with two marking him tightly he was never going to get much joy.

Everyone knows this bar RM and our scouts it seems

[hypochondriac]

I find it bizarre how much we lacked someone leading the line last year so we go and buy a midget who is a runner as our main striker. Supposedly we wanted Liam Delap so how was this our backup option? Mad. 

[Sheaf Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I find it bizarre how much we lacked someone leading the line last year so we go and buy a midget who is a runner as our main striker. Supposedly we wanted Liam Delap so how was this our backup option? Mad. 

Delap didn't look anything special for Ipswich today. Glad we didn't spaff £20m on him TBH.

[Badger]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I find it bizarre how much we lacked someone leading the line last year so we go and buy a midget who is a runner as our main striker. Supposedly we wanted Liam Delap so how was this our backup option? Mad. 

Straight out of the Sangarre (?) to next option,  Diallo, what a quantum leap that was. Two players bearing no resemblance to each other in height or style. 

Or worse still Maddison to Elyonoussi 

[StrangelyBrown]

20 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Delap didn't look anything special for Ipswich today. Glad we didn't spaff £20m on him TBH.

Archer looked the better player IMO - might have missed his 2 chances but all Delap did was fall over

[Roo1976]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

He needed support up alongside him. Playing on his own with two marking him tightly he was never going to get much joy.

well there in lies our problem,well one of many. We don't get the ball moving quickly enough for the attackers whoever they are at the time  to loose their markers or whatever you wanna call them these days and be decisive in the final third. Was he  unlucky,yes and no ,slip didn't help the cause and the post neither, but it just lacked a bit more pace tbf. BBD why not play him as a focal hold up player?. Seems big and tough enough?

[hypochondriac]

41 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Delap didn't look anything special for Ipswich today. Glad we didn't spaff £20m on him TBH.

I'm not saying I wanted Liam Delap for 20 million. What I'm saying is the striker we got as his replacement is the total opposite profile. 

[Wiggles31]

433 doesn’t really suit any of our strikers. 
 

He was coached to drop deep for an early ball to feet from Ramsdale. Idea was good but never really paid off. 

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not saying I wanted Liam Delap for 20 million. What I'm saying is the striker we got as his replacement is the total opposite profile. 

Yeah I got that. But perhaps Archer wasn't actually the 'backup' option. Had we signed Delap, it's possible we might still have signed Archer and not BBD. 

I'm just saying I'm quite glad we didn't waste that money on Delap, cos from what I've seen he's no better than what we have.

[pimpin4rizeal]

The problem is most of our signings are gambles bar the likes of Ramsdale..  I’d rather we went for it on someone who actually looks quality rather then keep taking punts .. 

how many strikers have not worked out now ?  Better to go all out for one that can cut it rather then five that don’t