Cameron Archer

[Galway saint]

so he scored 4 goals in 29 appearances for sheff utd….

 

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

so he scored 4 goals in 29 appearances for sheff utd….

 

Yes but the xg was about 5. So he had virtually no chances. 

[Galway saint]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes but the xg was about 5. So he had virtually no chances. 

ok and maybe it works out but we have still signed the  sheff utd front line 

[Farmer Saint]

Well, a number of the Tories on here should be happy, a player with the name combination of a pig fucker and a prostitute shagger. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, sandwichsaint said:

Most exciting signing? This one’s made me quiver.

Post of the week. 

[ChrisPY]

18 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

ok and maybe it works out but we have still signed the  sheff utd front line 

Rules out us signing Aaron Ramsdale, James Ward-Prowse, Andy Robertson, Nathan Ake, James Maddison and Harry Maguire due to their previous relegations. 

[Galway saint]

4 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

Rules out us signing Aaron Ramsdale, James Ward-Prowse, Andy Robertson, Nathan Ake, James Maddison and Harry Maguire due to their previous relegations. 

no it doesn’t 

[James G]

He looks a good player, he seems like a natural finisher, carries the ball well, has a turn of pace and has good awareness. 

[Edmonton Saint]

Looked more like Jeffrey Archer today, let’s just hope it’s a settling in period.

[derry]

It really wasn't fair to put him in today. He needs time to aclimatise to how we play. Onuachu would have been more panic inducing once Newcastle were down to ten. Edozie, SAA and Dibling made no sense in the circumstances. 5 substitutions and 4 were wasted. The bench should have had Onuachu instead of Archer.

[saintant]

4 minutes ago, derry said:

It really wasn't fair to put him in today. He needs time to aclimatise to how we play. Onuachu would have been more panic inducing once Newcastle were down to ten. Edozie, SAA and Dibling made no sense in the circumstances. 5 substitutions and 4 were wasted. The bench should have had Onuachu instead of Archer.

TM is too stubborn to use Tall Paul as a plan B. He'd prefer to keep passing and doing the same thing thus making us very predictable and easy to defend against. RM has lots of good traits but his lack of a plan B is frustrating. 

[derry]

We put in loads of crosses plus corners and free kicks, Onuachu would have caused Newcastle more problems than we did,

[SuperSAINT]

41 minutes ago, Edmonton Saint said:

Looked more like Jeffrey Archer today, let’s just hope it’s a settling in period.

Player who plays on the shoulder vs a team defending deep in their box is always going to struggle.  

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

TM RM is too stubborn to use Tall Paul as a plan B. He'd prefer to keep passing and doing the same thing thus making us very predictable and easy to defend against. RM has lots of good traits but his lack of a plan B is frustrating. 

I wonder if it's because Tall Paul was a N. Jones' signing that he refuses to consider him in his plans? At least give him a chance FFS. We missed two great heading chances today, which TP could well have buried.

He (RM) really has a blind spot there, along with apparently overrating our poor GKs.

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

Player who plays on the shoulder vs a team defending deep in their box is always going to struggle.  

That's why we badly need another option up top because AA and Archer are very similar players. 

[northam soul]

Now under investigation by FIFA apparently.

Better sign some more players quickly before we can’t sign anymore.

On Twitter apparently under investigation as it was a bridging transfer.

Edited August 18 by northam soul

[Sheaf Saint]

6 minutes ago, northam soul said:

Now under investigation by FIFA apparently.

Better sign some more players quickly before we can’t sign anymore.

Where has this been reported? I can't find any links.

[23rdSaint]

9 minutes ago, northam soul said:

Now under investigation by FIFA apparently.

Better sign some more players quickly before we can’t sign anymore.

Why would we be in trouble for this? Surely all Villa, no?

[hypochondriac]

14 hours ago, Edmonton Saint said:

Looked more like Jeffrey Archer today, let’s just hope it’s a settling in period.

I don't think anyone could seriously judge him on today with zero time with the rest of the squad. 

[Saint Billy]

10 minutes ago, northam soul said:

Now under investigation by FIFA apparently.

Better sign some more players quickly before we can’t sign anymore.

I'll do a Trousers. Source?

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, northam soul said:

Now under investigation by FIFA apparently.

Better sign some more players quickly before we can’t sign anymore.

Even if that did happen which is unlikely, no chance it would occur in this window. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Saint Billy said:

I'll do a Trousers. Source?

https://twitter.com/SaintsExtra/status/1825066394070757432?t=tMEmBgFB4dNSwCjU_jDBpQ&s=19

[Saint_clark]

I think that falls outside those rules as him going back to Villa was automatically triggered by Uniteds relegation. They ended up with a player they didn't want and sold him on. 

Either way, we haven't done anything wrong in that. We would have signed him from Sheffield United and probably for less anyway.

[ErwinK1961]

32 minutes ago, northam soul said:

Now under investigation by FIFA apparently.

Better sign some more players quickly before we can’t sign anymore.

On Twitter apparently under investigation as it was a bridging transfer.

Thank goodness such an upstanding organisation are investigating it.

[St Chalet]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/29939971/two-premier-league-fifa-probe-archer-transfer-rules-exclusive/#:~:text=Moving the same player in,up with an adequate explanation.

[Saint Billy]

27 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

https://twitter.com/SaintsExtra/status/1825066394070757432?t=tMEmBgFB4dNSwCjU_jDBpQ&s=19

Cheers 👍

[trousers]

Other than 'rules for rules sake' why do FIFA have a seemingly arbitrary 16 week 'bridge' rule in the first place? What are they trying to prevent and why? If clubs want to trade players in short succession, why is that a problem, per se? It's a free market, surely?

[Turkish]

Seems a ridiculous rule but surely it’s Villa who’ll be in trouble not us?

[hypochondriac]

23 minutes ago, trousers said:

Other than 'rules for rules sake' why do FIFA have a seemingly arbitrary 16 week 'bridge' rule in the first place? What are they trying to prevent and why? If clubs want to trade players in short succession, why is that a problem, per se? It's a free market, surely?

Could it be something like if it was done between financial years potentially skirting financial rules? 

[Saint_clark]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

Other than 'rules for rules sake' why do FIFA have a seemingly arbitrary 16 week 'bridge' rule in the first place? What are they trying to prevent and why? If clubs want to trade players in short succession, why is that a problem, per se? It's a free market, surely?

Is 16 weeks the length of the transfer window? 

Interestingly it works in our favour for the future with all those buy back clauses City forced on us. If Bazunu, Larios, Edozie or Charles DO end up good enough to be sold for a large amount, then unless City actually want them for themselves they won't buy them back to flip them for a profit. 

[Badger]

On 17/08/2024 at 11:39, James G said:

He looks a good player, he seems like a natural finisher, carries the ball well, has a turn of pace and has good awareness. 

Obviously written before yesterday’s match.

21 hours ago, derry said:

It really wasn't fair to put him in today. He needs time to aclimatise to how we play. Onuachu would have been more panic inducing once Newcastle were down to ten. Edozie, SAA and Dibling made no sense in the circumstances. 5 substitutions and 4 were wasted. The bench should have had Onuachu instead of Archer.

Agree yesterday was probably too early, and TP might have offered more.

Don’t agree about time to acclimatise to the way we play. His two most obvious contributions from watching high up at St James Park appeared to be passing the ball behind our player, and wildly shanking one over the bar from the edge of the area. That’s not due to acclimatising to how we play. 

[Badger]

7 hours ago, northam soul said:

Now under investigation by FIFA apparently.

Better sign some more players quickly before we can’t sign anymore.

On Twitter apparently under investigation as it was a bridging transfer.

Something similar to Trade Descriptions Act, and mis-selling perhaps ? 

[Badger]

7 hours ago, 23rdSaint said:

Why would we be in trouble for this? Surely all Villa, no?

Would have thought so.

7 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I think that falls outside those rules as him going back to Villa was automatically triggered by Uniteds relegation. They ended up with a player they didn't want and sold him on. 

Either way, we haven't done anything wrong in that. We would have signed him from Sheffield United and probably for less anyway.

Is there any advantage to us in not signing him from Sheffield Utd ? I can’t think of one, unless signing him on leaving Sheffield would be in an earlier financial year (before June 30th). Also, it seems as if he had to go back to Villa after Sheff Utd’s relegation 

[Saint_clark]

18 minutes ago, Badger said:

Would have thought so.

Is there any advantage to us in not signing him from Sheffield Utd ? I can’t think of one, unless signing him on leaving Sheffield would be in an earlier financial year (before June 30th). Also, it seems as if he had to go back to Villa after Sheff Utd’s relegation 

Not really, as I said they probably would have wanted less for him given their relegation and need to raise funds for a promotion push. 

[Nordic Saint]

3 hours ago, Badger said:

Obviously written before yesterday’s match.

Agree yesterday was probably too early, and TP might have offered more.

Don’t agree about time to acclimatise to the way we play. His two most obvious contributions from watching high up at St James Park appeared to be passing the ball behind our player, and wildly shanking one over the bar from the edge of the area. That’s not due to acclimatising to how we play. 

Hopefully, the ruling that the transfer is illegal means we can send him back now and use the money to buy a goalkeeper or a proper centre forward.

[James]

29 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

Hopefully, the ruling that the transfer is illegal means we can send him back now and use the money to buy a goalkeeper or a proper centre forward.

Glad to see we are giving a young player time before writing him off…

[Paulwantsapint81]

Was sheff utd in reality just a glorified loan 

Are those writing the lad off the same posters who did the same to Pelle after 2 games without a goal?

[Chez]

How did he look yesterday? Did he get involved or many touches? Did he receive the ball with his back to goal at all? When watching highlights of Sheff United games, I got the feeling he made lots of runs but was never found, so it looked like he just wasn't involved. Not necessarily his fault. 

[Chez]

17 hours ago, Paulwantsapint81 said:

Was sheff utd in reality just a glorified loan 

Not sure. If they had stayed up, would he most likely have stayed at Sheff United? 

[Chez]

18 hours ago, Nordic Saint said:

Hopefully, the ruling that the transfer is illegal means we can send him back now and use the money to buy a goalkeeper or a proper centre forward.

You are not a fan then? Or did you mean, we needed a centre forward that can lead the line on his own?

[revolution saint]

7 minutes ago, Chez said:

How did he look yesterday? Did he get involved or many touches? Did he receive the ball with his back to goal at all? When watching highlights of Sheff United games, I got the feeling he made lots of runs but was never found, so it looked like he just wasn't involved. Not necessarily his fault. 

TBH I didn't really notice him much.  Think he had a shot around the edge of the area and fairly central which went over the bar but it was a snap shot and wouldn't class it as a gilt edged chance.  By the time he came on Newcastle were mostly camped pretty deep and, while we had a lot of possession, we didn't create any really good chances and rarely did we have a chance for anyone to get much of a run at defenders.  Not a great start but nothing to get too worked up about yet.

[Green]

1 minute ago, revolution saint said:

TBH I didn't really notice him much.  Think he had a shot around the edge of the area and fairly central which went over the bar but it was a snap shot and wouldn't class it as a gilt edged chance.  By the time he came on Newcastle were mostly camped pretty deep and, while we had a lot of possession, we didn't create any really good chances and rarely did we have a chance for anyone to get much of a run at defenders.  Not a great start but nothing to get too worked up about yet.

He also headed it (softly) straight at the keeper from the Edozie cross right at the end as well. 

[Nordic Saint]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

You are not a fan then? Or did you mean, we needed a centre forward that can lead the line on his own?

We still need a centre forward. Che Adams wasn't a very good one, admittedly, but now we've got no one.  Archer is a left winger/inside forward, not a striker. Definition of a striker: "A striker is the furthermost attacker on the field. Their main task is to score goals." We seem to be collecting more and more midfielders and inside forwards with very poor goalscoring records. All that will do is block the path of good players we already have like Tyler Dibling and Sam Amo-Ameyaw.

The 2 most important positions on the pitch for stopping goals and scoring them and so determining the results of matches are goalkeeper and centre forward, and those are the players we should have bought in this transfer window. Although Brereton-Diaz is another winger/inside forward, at least he looks like he could score some goals.

 

[Chez]

2 hours ago, Nordic Saint said:

Archer is a left winger/inside forward, not a striker. Definition of a striker: "A striker is the furthermost attacker on the field. Their main task is to score goals."

 

I don't think Archer is a left winger or an inside forward. From what I have seen watching a lot of highlight videos of Sheffield United games last season, he plays right up top, on the shoulder of the last defender and he is always looking to get into the box, far more so than say Adams, Ings or even Lambert. He may not have scored many last season, and that's a concern, but I'd say his single role and duty is getting in positions to score goals. He's a striker. What he's isnt is a target man.

[a1ex2001]

16 hours ago, Chez said:

I don't think Archer is a left winger or an inside forward. From what I have seen watching a lot of highlight videos of Sheffield United games last season, he plays right up top, on the shoulder of the last defender and he is always looking to get into the box, far more so than say Adams, Ings or even Lambert. He may not have scored many last season, and that's a concern, but I'd say his single role and duty is getting in positions to score goals. He's a striker. What he's isnt is a target man.

The key stat from last year would be chance conversion rate as Sheffield united created almost nothing all season and he seems to have done alright on the xg measure.

[Chez]

22 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

The key stat from last year would be chance conversion rate as Sheffield united created almost nothing all season and he seems to have done alright on the xg measure.

I'm concerned about this signing. That is the one thing giving me hope.

Wonder if we will create enough chances for him ourselves.

[Give it to Ron]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

I'm concerned about this signing. That is the one thing giving me hope.

Wonder if we will create enough chances for him ourselves.

I’m hoping Lesley and Fernandes were signed to do that.

[hypochondriac]

37 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

I’m hoping Lesley and Fernandes were signed to do that.

Fair enough for Fernandes but I didn't see much chance creation from lesley? 

[Give it to Ron]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Fair enough for Fernandes but I didn't see much chance creation from lesley? 

I honestly have only seen a few clips and quotes from Chelsea and hope he can but he looks to be the player we have been missing alongside Flyn.

A ball carrier can hopefully draw players and create space for others now if they can finish is another thing 🙂

[a1ex2001]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

I'm concerned about this signing. That is the one thing giving me hope.

Wonder if we will create enough chances for him ourselves.

Creating chances is the key, doesn’t matter who we have up top if we don’t create opportunities.  Diaz, Archer and Armstrong have all shown they can score goals given the chances.