Cameron Archer

[LuckyNumber7]

  On 13/04/2025 at 10:49, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a wanker. 
 

Anybody who thinks he did his best yesterday is deluded. Minced about like he didn’t want to be here, fucking massive pony merchant. To think Lego was raving about him. One of the senior pros needs to spark him out, complete and utter waste of a shirt….Disgrace…

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Been like that most of the season. He's worse than Adam Armstrong. No movement, weak and lazy as fuck. I was underwhelmed when he signed but he's been far worse than I imagined. Can't wait to see the back of him.

[benali-shorts]

There was one moment when KWP was dispossessed in their half and Archer initially raced back to cover (aka doing his job). He got 20 yards and just gave up, leaving them 2 on 1 vs TH-B. He then jogged back to the edge of our box when the ball was safely on the other side of the pitch, before aimlessly jogging away again. He can't help being a bit shit, but he can help being lazy. Also was feebly shrugged off the ball by that man monster Maatsen so clearly doesn't bother working hard in the gym either. 

[Matthew Le God]

He has been very ineffective and out of his depth this season, but in the league, we are about to go into, he is useful. 18 goals in 40 Championship games is a decent strike rate.

[Lord Duckhunter]

[Matthew Le God]

  On 13/04/2025 at 12:28, Lord Duckhunter said:

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Is 18 goals in 40 Championship games not a decent strike rate? He has been shit this season, but let's judge him on how he has been in the league we will be in next season.

[Wade Garrett]

He looks a bit podgy to me.

[Badger]

  On 13/04/2025 at 12:31, Matthew Le God said:

Is 18 goals in 40 Championship games not a decent strike rate? He has been shit this season, but let's judge him on how he has been in the league we will be in next season.

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Irrespective of how he may perform next season in the Championship, it probably wasn’t what we were looking for when we shelled out £15-18m (depending on reports) in the summer.

Bearing in mind we bought him for this season, he’s been a failure. Let’s judge him on the job we bought him for rather than where we are next season and his efforts have contributed to. 

Edited Sunday at 12:46 by Badger

[Badger]

  On 13/04/2025 at 12:36, Wade Garrett said:

He looks a bit podgy to me.

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Looks a bit shit to me. 

[Fabrice29]

Think strikers generally look lazy when asked to defend in a low block. If your whole defensive plan is to compress space then having strikers who chase stuff down for the purpose of looking like they give a shit is counter productive. Even more so when they probably aren't physically capable of doing it. Be positionally disciplined and make runs from deep when the CB's have the ball and chuck it over the top. Low risk, low reward football and when it doesn't work out it will naturally attract criticism, especially individually.

[Matthew Le God]

  On 13/04/2025 at 12:45, Badger said:

Irrespective of how he may perform next season in the Championship, it probably wasn’t what we were looking for when we shelled out £15-18m (depending on reports) in the summer.

Bearing in mind we bought him for this season, he’s been a failure. Let’s judge him on the job we bought him for rather than where we are next season and his efforts have contributed to. 

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I don't disagree it was a poor signing. I've not said otherwise. But it is a positive he is useful that he has a good record at the level we will find ourselves in next season.

[Lighthouse]

We should get 60 goals out of Archer, BBD and Armstrong next season IF they all want to stay and play for us. None of them are getting a better offer so it’ll all come down to personal circumstances. Seems like a no-brainier to keep all three if we can, then focus our budget on midfield creativity and a couple of decent fullbacks.

[Badger]

  On 13/04/2025 at 12:50, Matthew Le God said:

I don't disagree it was a poor signing. I've not said otherwise. But it is a positive he is useful that he has a good record at the level we will find ourselves in next season.

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Fair point if we’re looking for silver linings in a pretty poor cloud.
 

Should be remembered it was a couple of years ago when he played and Preston and Middlesbrough though. I recall someone telling how Holgate had a good game for WBA once upon a time (a few years before joining us) and that particular ‘peak’ wasn’t reached again. 

[East Kent Saint]

It is more a symptom of the team set up with a weak outnumbered midfield . He is obviously not sure of where or what he is expected to do rather than being a poor player.

[Badger]

  On 13/04/2025 at 13:03, East Kent Saint said:

It is more a symptom of the team set up with a weak outnumbered midfield . He is obviously not sure of where or what he is expected to do rather than being a poor player.

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What excuse was trotted out at Sheffield Utd last season ? 

[obelisk]

He suffers somewhat from Saints defence and midfield preference for sideways/backwards safe passes rather than looking up to find a forward running in behind the opposition defence. Even so he has been a disappointment this season with just a few highlights that I can remember.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Think he probably needs to play in a  2 to be max effective  . We haven’t really played to his strengths at all  .he’s got pace and is a decent finisher but needs the ball played in behind .. 

[CSA96]

He's got a good record at Championship level (in what you'd expect to be lesser teams...) and he was a couple of years younger when he was last playing at that level, so I still hold out a fair amount of hope of him coming good for us next season, if he wants to stay. I can't see that he's going to have options to go on to something bigger and better than Saints tbh and we'll need a couple of proven scorers at the level. But a Premier League striker, he is most certainly not

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 15/04/2025 at 17:46, pimpin4rizeal said:

We haven’t really played to his strengths at all  .he’s got pace and is a decent finisher but needs the ball played in behind .. 

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His movement is nonexistent, and he doesn’t put it all in every game. We don’t play to Tall Paul’s strengths, yet he gives his all. This chump is stealing a living. 

[Wade Garrett]

  On 13/04/2025 at 12:58, Lighthouse said:

We should get 60 goals out of Archer, BBD and Armstrong next season IF they all want to stay and play for us. None of them are getting a better offer so it’ll all come down to personal circumstances. Seems like a no-brainier to keep all three if we can, then focus our budget on midfield creativity and a couple of decent fullbacks.

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Please tell me you’re not Spors.

[Wade Garrett]

  On 15/04/2025 at 19:12, Lord Duckhunter said:

His movement is nonexistent, and he doesn’t put it all in every game. We don’t play to Tall Paul’s strengths, yet he gives his all. This chump is stealing a living. 

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Tall Paul is blowing out of his arse if he sprints 10 yards.  He also has no ability and is weak as piss for a giant.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 15/04/2025 at 19:24, Wade Garrett said:

Tall Paul is blowing out of his arse if he sprints 10 yards.  He also has no ability and is weak as piss for a giant.

 

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At least he tries, Archer can’t even do that….

[Midfield_General]

  On 13/04/2025 at 12:58, Lighthouse said:

We should get 60 goals out of Archer, BBD and Armstrong next season IF they all want to stay and play for us. 

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For clarity, I'm guessing you mean that if those three are our main strikers next season then the entire team, including them, should be OK to score 60 goals?

Not that they are going to score 60 between just the three of them i.e. an average of 20 each...

[Lighthouse]

  On 15/04/2025 at 19:21, Wade Garrett said:

Please tell me you’re not Spors.

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BBD and Archer are more than capable of replicating the 16 goals Che Adams scored two years ago, when by all accounts our problem was keeping goals out, not putting them in. Looking at the players we’re most likely to left with come summer, my first priorities would be upgrading on Bree and Manning as first choice FBs. Then I’d like better creative players than Fraser and Edozie. I’d much rather spend more on four quality player in those positions than the scatter gun, safety in numbers, approach of last summer.

[Lighthouse]

  On 15/04/2025 at 20:03, Midfield_General said:

For clarity, I'm guessing you mean that if those three are our main strikers next season then the entire team, including them, should be OK to score 60 goals?

Not that they are going to score 60 between just the three of them i.e. an average of 20 each...

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No, I think those three players alone could score 60 goals combined, if we play to their strengths and they stay fit.

[Turkish]

  On 13/04/2025 at 12:58, Lighthouse said:

We should get 60 goals out of Archer, BBD and Armstrong next season IF they all want to stay and play for us. None of them are getting a better offer so it’ll all come down to personal circumstances. Seems like a no-brainier to keep all three if we can, then focus our budget on midfield creativity and a couple of decent fullbacks.

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What about Ross Stewart? He’s back in two weeks, fancy him to get 15 at least

[Doctoroncall]

  On 15/04/2025 at 20:15, Turkish said:

What about Ross Stewart? He’s back in two weeks, fancy him to get 15 at least

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15 minutes?

[Midfield_General]

  On 15/04/2025 at 20:08, Lighthouse said:

No, I think those three players alone could score 60 goals combined, if we play to their strengths and they stay fit.

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Blimey. 

Just as context, with four games to go, the current top goalscorers at each of the top 4 sides in the Championship are: 

• Leeds: Piroe (15), James (12), Aaronson (9)
• Burnley: Brownhill (13), Flemming (9), Anthony (7)
• Sheffield Utd: Campbell (10), Hamer (8), Rak-Sakyi (7)
• Sunderland: Isidor (12), Mayender (7), Mundle (5)

So to suggest our numbers would be in the region of Armstrong (20), Archer (20), Diaz (20) seems... a touch optimistic? 

 

[Lighthouse]

  On 15/04/2025 at 20:17, Midfield_General said:

Blimey. 

Just as context, with four games to go, the current top goalscorers at each of the top 4 sides in the Championship are: 

• Leeds: Piroe (15), James (12), Aaronson (9)
• Burnley: Brownhill (13), Flemming (9), Anthony (7)
• Sheffield Utd: Campbell (10), Hamer (8), Rak-Sakyi (7)
• Sunderland: Isidor (12), Mayender (7), Mundle (5)

So to suggest our numbers would be in the region of Armstrong (20), Archer (20), Diaz (20) seems... a touch optimistic? 

 

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Maybe but then Lambert, Sharp, Guly and Connolly can’t have been much shy of that under Adkins. Had Sharp been here the full season, he and Lambert could have netted about 45 between the pair of them.

[hypochondriac]

  On 15/04/2025 at 20:41, Lighthouse said:

Maybe but then Lambert, Sharp, Guly and Connolly can’t have been much shy of that under Adkins. Had Sharp been here the full season, he and Lambert could have netted about 45 between the pair of them.

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True but I wouldn't compare any of those strikers to Lambert. 

[Wade Garrett]

  On 15/04/2025 at 19:39, Lord Duckhunter said:

At least he tries, Archer can’t even do that….

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I think he’s George Weah’s second cousin.

[bugenhagen]

  On 15/04/2025 at 20:05, Lighthouse said:

BBD and Archer are more than capable of replicating the 16 goals Che Adams scored two years ago, when by all accounts our problem was keeping goals out, not putting them in. Looking at the players we’re most likely to left with come summer, my first priorities would be upgrading on Bree and Manning as first choice FBs. Then I’d like better creative players than Fraser and Edozie. I’d much rather spend more on four quality player in those positions than the scatter gun, safety in numbers, approach of last summer.

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The one thing neither of them replicate is Che's hold-up play. That is a bigger problem than replicating the 16 goals he scored.

I just can't understand the faith that BBD, Arma and Archer are going to replicate the goals they have scored in a season before. It just doesn't work like that. Look at Arma at WBA now, why is he not scoring? BBD scored in the prem for Sheff U, why did he not replicate that with us? Relying on them three will backfire so bad... is my opinion.

[Dman]

  On 15/04/2025 at 20:05, Lighthouse said:

BBD and Archer are more than capable of replicating the 16 goals Che Adams scored two years ago, when by all accounts our problem was keeping goals out, not putting them in. Looking at the players we’re most likely to left with come summer, my first priorities would be upgrading on Bree and Manning as first choice FBs. Then I’d like better creative players than Fraser and Edozie. I’d much rather spend more on four quality player in those positions than the scatter gun, safety in numbers, approach of last summer.

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  On 13/04/2025 at 12:58, Lighthouse said:

We should get 60 goals out of Archer, BBD and Armstrong next season IF they all want to stay and play for us. None of them are getting a better offer so it’ll all come down to personal circumstances. Seems like a no-brainier to keep all three if we can, then focus our budget on midfield creativity and a couple of decent fullbacks.

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BBD has scored 3 in 15 games at Sheff Utd, under a manager who managed to get a bit out of him in the PL. 

Adam Armstrong has scored 2 in 12 at West Brom, under a manger who managed to get a load out of him last time he managed him in the championship. 

Archer has looked nothing short of absolutely useless whilst playing for us. Doesn't suit being a lone striker (similarly to Armstrong and probably BBD as well), which 99% of managers will play. 

I think you're in for a big shock if you're expecting 60 goals from the 3 of them. 

We need a number 9 and we need to spend big (in relative terms) to get one. 

Personally, I hope we manage to shift BBD and then for me, its keep 1 sell 1 of Archer and Armstrong as they're similar players, imo. 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

I know they've all been a bit shit this year.  But a front three of BBD, CA and AA should be ridiculous in the championship if they can re-find their not so distant form.

[Saint Fan CaM]

  On 13/04/2025 at 12:58, Lighthouse said:

We should get 60 goals out of Archer, BBD and Armstrong next season IF they all want to stay and play for us. None of them are getting a better offer so it’ll all come down to personal circumstances. Seems like a no-brainier to keep all three if we can, then focus our budget on midfield creativity and a couple of decent fullbacks.

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Pointless keeping those players - in fact any of the current squad - if they don’t fit the style play the Manager demands. On paper they should all run riot in the Championship as should Stewart, however it’s very likely that they’ll just offer another mediocre, lacklustre season of poor performances. Other than those that are likely to leave, I don’t trust  ANY of the current squad to deliver anything other than a mid-table finish next season. Honest opinion.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

  On 16/04/2025 at 09:50, Jeremy Corbyn said:

I know they've all been a bit shit this year.  But a front three of BBD, CA and AA should be ridiculous in the championship if they can re-find their not so distant form.

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They should. But, if we play one up front, Adams would walk back into the side ahead of anything we have.

That's the Adams who was a support striker and who SR would have parted with in their first window.

TP should be better in the air, BBD more of a unit from deep, Archer the better finisher. AA the better work rate.

But Adams' all round game is much better than any of them. Something that was clear under Martin the last time we were in the Championship.

BBD and Archer struck me as the deals SR scrambled to get across the line when their first option fell through. Neither replaced Adams.

At best, AA is decent at Champ level to support someone else we bring in. Stewart takes up a squad place, but can't be relied upon to stay fit.

[Lighthouse]

  On 16/04/2025 at 09:59, Saint Fan CaM said:

Pointless keeping those players - in fact any of the current squad - if they don’t fit the style play the Manager demands. On paper they should all run riot in the Championship as should Stewart, however it’s very likely that they’ll just offer another mediocre, lacklustre season of poor performances. Other than those that are likely to leave, I don’t trust  ANY of the current squad to deliver anything other than a mid-table finish next season. Honest opinion.

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Why though? They’re playing at a level which is much more on par with their abilities. As I asked earlier in the thread, who do you think we’re going to bring in who is certain to outscore them and also affordable. The Championship’s top scorers at the moment are Sainz, who won’t be coming here, and Piroe, who really hasn’t done anything in the last two years to make me upset that he chose Leeds over us.

[pimpin4rizeal]

  On 16/04/2025 at 12:11, Lighthouse said:

Why though? They’re playing at a level which is much more on par with their abilities. As I asked earlier in the thread, who do you think we’re going to bring in who is certain to outscore them and also affordable. The Championship’s top scorers at the moment are Sainz, who won’t be coming here, and Piroe, who really hasn’t done anything in the last two years to make me upset that he chose Leeds over us.

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Totally agree with you on this. Just because this squad was crap in the premier league doesn’t mean it’s gonna be in the championship .. most of them are proven .. add to that it’s gonna be more difficult to upgrade the team whilst we are in the championship ..

[Saint Fan CaM]

  On 16/04/2025 at 12:11, Lighthouse said:

Why though? They’re playing at a level which is much more on par with their abilities. As I asked earlier in the thread, who do you think we’re going to bring in who is certain to outscore them and also affordable. The Championship’s top scorers at the moment are Sainz, who won’t be coming here, and Piroe, who really hasn’t done anything in the last two years to make me upset that he chose Leeds over us.

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Well for a start, they’ve hardly proven themselves fit for purpose in ANY way playing for Saints and if you look at Armstrong he’s hardly doing well since going on loan and BBD hasn’t exactly ripped up trees either. Then there’s the fact they’ve played their part in Saints downfall - that has to mean something right? And the point mainly is that they’ve not been able to demonstrate their suitability - an incoming Manager may decide on past performance that they’re suitable, but that’s not a given and if it was me I’d be thinking “damaged goods”.

[Badger]

  On 16/04/2025 at 09:50, Jeremy Corbyn said:

I know they've all been a bit shit this year.  But a front three of BBD, CA and AA should be ridiculous in the championship if they can re-find their not so distant form.

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I'd have been inclined to leave the sentence at the word 'championship', at least for the first two you mention.

[Badger]

  On 15/04/2025 at 22:28, Wade Garrett said:

I think he’s George Weah’s second cousin.

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That might be above the heads of some of the younger members.

[badgerx16]

  On 16/04/2025 at 08:56, Dman said:

. We need a number 9 and we need to spend big (in relative terms) to get one.

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Another Ross Stewart ?

[benjii]

  On 13/04/2025 at 12:58, Lighthouse said:

We should get 60 goals out of Archer, BBD and Armstrong next season IF they all want to stay and play for us. None of them are getting a better offer so it’ll all come down to personal circumstances. Seems like a no-brainier to keep all three if we can, then focus our budget on midfield creativity and a couple of decent fullbacks.

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Quite, plus the Loch Ness Drogba.

 

[benjii]

Edozie-----Stewart-----Armstrong

-----------Smallbone-----------

Goals, goals, goals!!!

[OldNick]

  On 16/04/2025 at 09:50, Jeremy Corbyn said:

I know they've all been a bit shit this year.  But a front three of BBD, CA and AA should be ridiculous in the championship if they can re-find their not so distant form.

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As in ridiculous that the manager picks them?

[suewhistle]

  On 16/04/2025 at 10:45, Holmes_and_Watson said:

BBD and Archer struck me as the deals SR scrambled to get across the line when their first option fell through. Neither replaced Adams.

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I think this is a very valid theory. What is disappointing is the lack of effort from both of them, and I don't think blaming our style of play is an excuse. AA may lack quality but never in effort. BBD just looks unfit, whilst TP just looks like he's outgrown his strength, although I think I've seen signs of improvement. 

[Midfield_General]

  On 16/04/2025 at 09:50, Jeremy Corbyn said:

a front three of BBD, CA and AA should be ridiculous in the championship 

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It was certainly utterly ridiculous in the Premier League. But probably not in the way you mean. 

[Sheaf Saint]

  On 16/04/2025 at 18:57, Saint Fan CaM said:

Well for a start, they’ve hardly proven themselves fit for purpose in ANY way playing for Saints and if you look at Armstrong he’s hardly doing well since going on loan and BBD hasn’t exactly ripped up trees either. Then there’s the fact they’ve played their part in Saints downfall - that has to mean something right? And the point mainly is that they’ve not been able to demonstrate their suitability - an incoming Manager may decide on past performance that they’re suitable, but that’s not a given and if it was me I’d be thinking “damaged goods”.

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OK so we know AA is out of his depth at PL level, but in his last 3 full seasons in the Champ he's scored 70 goals. To write him off because of an unsuccessful loan spell where he has mostly been played out of position (he's not and never will be an effective lone striker) is pure folly.

And if you're going to have a pop at him for playing a part in our downfall, then you also have to acknowledge that he played a huge part in us getting promoted last season.

 

[Chez]

  On 15/04/2025 at 20:41, Lighthouse said:

Maybe but then Lambert, Sharp, Guly and Connolly can’t have been much shy of that under Adkins. Had Sharp been here the full season, he and Lambert could have netted about 45 between the pair of them.

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Lambert 27, Guly 10, Sharpe 9, Connolly 6

Lallana scored 11 and Hooiveld 7