Carabao Cup 24-25

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Draw for the 2nd round this evening. Any preferences to who we get? Hoping for a home tie at the very least. Would like us to take this competition seriously this year, the cups might offer us the only excitement.

Edited August 14 by Lee On Solent Saint
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[Chewy]

1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Draw for the 2nd round this evening. Any preferences to who we get? Hoping for a home tie at the very least. Would like us to take this competition seriously this year, the cups might offer us the only excitement.

I’m hoping we play the skates.

Oh …

[JRM]

I think round 2 is regionalised but not seeded? 

Already one round further than we got last season, I'd fancy a trip away to Crawley or Wimbledon I think 

[saintant]

10 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Draw for the 2nd round this evening. Any preferences to who we get? Hoping for a home tie at the very least. Would like us to take this competition seriously this year, the cups might offer us the only excitement.

I think we will be putting all our eggs into staying in the Premier League.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

40 minutes ago, saintant said:

I think we will be putting all our eggs into staying in the Premier League.

Probably to be expected. A kind draw and you never know though.

[AlexLaw76]

Can't wait to watch Seku Mara tear it up in this competition

[Appy]

Crawley or Wimbledon away for a new ground. 

[SNSUN]

Someone easy we can put a back up team out of, say, Lumley, Bree, Edwards, Wood, Stephens, Taylor, Charles, Dibling, Charly, SAA, AA, Edozie (pending ins/outs, something like that) and still have a good chance of going through. Someone like Barrow or Leyton Orient.

[sandwichsaint]

1 hour ago, SNSUN said:

Someone easy we can put a back up team out of, say, Lumley, Bree, Edwards, Wood, Stephens, Taylor, Charles, Dibling, Charly, SAA, AA, Edozie (pending ins/outs, something like that) and still have a good chance of going through. Someone like Barrow or Leyton Orient.

Gillingham away, we will smash them.

[Saint Scott]

23 minutes ago, sandwichsaint said:

Gillingham away, we will smash them.

Knocked out by Swansea. I fancy QPR at Home

[derry]

I was pleased Portsmouth lost so they were removed from the competition as its the last team I'd want to meet. I don't get the hyped up competition as they are a team we have hardly played in the last hundred years. Very few in the last sixty years. It's a distraction we don't need.

[Pamplemousse]

Carabao Cup Round Two draw numbers

	South Section		North Section
1	AFC Bournemouth	1	Barnsley
2	AFC Wimbledon	2	Barrow
3	Birmingham City	3	Blackburn Rovers
4	Brentford	4	Blackpool
5	Brighton & Hove Albion	5	Bolton Wanderers
6	Cardiff City	6	Burnley
7	Colchester United	7	Derby County
8	Coventry City	8	Doncaster Rovers
9	Crawley Town	9	Everton
10	Crystal Palace	10	Fleetwood Town
11	Fulham	11	Grimsby Town
12	Ipswich Town	12	Harrogate Town
13	Leyton Orient	13	Huddersfield Town
14	Luton Town	14	Leicester City
15	Millwall	15	Newcastle United
16	Norwich City	16	Nottingham Forest
17	Oxford United	17	Preston North End
18	Queens Park Rangers	18	Rotherham United
19	Southampton	19	Sheffield United
20	Swansea City	20	Shrewsbury Town
21	Watford	21	Stoke City
22	West Ham United	22	Tranmere Rovers
23	Wycombe Wanderers	23	Walsall
24	Plymouth Argyle or Cheltenham Town	24	Wolverhampton Wanderers
		25	Hull City or Sheffield Wednesday
		26	Leeds United or Middlesbrough

[Pamplemousse]

For me, Wimbledon or Leyton Orient away

[davefizzy14]

For me a lower league side at home please 😊

[The Cat]

Normally I'd say away to a team whose ground I haven't been to but I've been to all of them so a home game against a lower league team would be perfect.

[Saint Fan CaM]

AFC Wimbledon away or home.

[the colonel]

Anyone in London so I don't have to travel very far

[Bakovnetski]

Wycombe or Oxford away please 

[Graffito]

6 hours ago, derry said:

I was pleased Portsmouth lost so they were removed from the competition as its the last team I'd want to meet. I don't get the hyped up competition as they are a team we have hardly played in the last hundred years. Very few in the last sixty years. It's a distraction we don't need.

Wtf. Why do we watch football?

[jamesfp1]

Easiest possible team, at home please. 

[Pamplemousse]

6 hours ago, derry said:

I was pleased Portsmouth lost so they were removed from the competition as its the last team I'd want to meet. I don't get the hyped up competition as they are a team we have hardly played in the last hundred years. Very few in the last sixty years. It's a distraction we don't need.

Respectfully disagree. I'd actually quite like them in the Prem (along with us), I think having a local rival (and a proper one, not Bournemouth) would spur us on to do better.

[derry]

14 minutes ago, Graffito said:

Wtf. Why do we watch football?

Precisely. We just don't need all the attendant crap that some supporters indulge in if we play Portsmouth. It's not if we have had regular games but we've hardly ever played them over the last sixty years. It's not worth the hassle.

[Give it to Ron]

Leeds are falling apart again…

[SambaMaverick]

Leeds 🤣

I will fucking love it if they don't go up, bonus points if it's another playoff final loss

[SuperSAINT]

1 minute ago, SambaMaverick said:

Leeds 🤣

I will fucking love it if they don't go up, bonus points if it's another playoff final loss

They've just made the  lesser-spotted quintuple subs all at once.

[SambaMaverick]

1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

They've just made the  lesser-spotted quintuple subs all at once.

 Instant impact to be fair

[Midfield_General]

Leeds playing the classic Saints-in-the-relegation-season suicidally high line with no idea how to actually play it. Should be about six down at home. Panicking and throwing on 5 subs at once, just to concede another immediately afterwards. Hilarious. 

[Midfield_General]

Cardiff away

[sfc4prem]

5 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Cardiff away

Sad memories of Cardiff away

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

Leeds playing the classic Saints-in-the-relegation-season suicidally high line with no idea how to actually play it. Should be about six down at home. Panicking and throwing on 5 subs at once, just to concede another immediately afterwards. Hilarious. 

Very early days for them but if they don't go up then they are beyond screwed. 

[SaintNewForest]

Wonder what the allocation will be. Anyone know what we took there last season? 

[Whitey Grandad]

7 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

Wonder what the allocation will be. Anyone know what we took there last season? 

20th April 2024, 3193 allocation.
 

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/cardiff-city-vs-southampton-fc

[warsash saint]

Draw sums up a thoroughly miserable day

[JRM]

1 hour ago, SaintNewForest said:

Wonder what the allocation will be. Anyone know what we took there last season? 

Will easily go to general sale, no doubt we'll play a B team but chance for those who struggle to get away tickets to go. 

[SNSUN]

Tricky but not impossible. This cup is not a priority this season so going out in the second round wouldn't be a disaster - but I would like to see the youngsters and some of the bit parters given game time - namely Woods, Edwards, Charles, Dibling and SAA (if all still here) - then put a bit of experience around them.

[derry]

Just for anyone interested regarding my remark about the mythical football rivalry with Portsmouth, since 1927 we didn't play them at all until 1960. Since then we've played them twice in a league in 11 seasons, 4 FA Cup and 2 League Cup with a record of W18 D5 L5. We haven't even been in the same league for 86 seasons. 

Edited August 15 by derry

[LuckyNumber7]

1 hour ago, derry said:

Just for anyone interested regarding my remark about the mythical football rivalry with Portsmouth, since 1927 we didn't play them at all until 1960. Since then we've played them twice in a league in 11 seasons, 4 FA Cup and 2 League Cup with a record of W18 D5 L5. We haven't even been in the same league for 86 seasons. 

So? The rivalry is based on the geography and rivalry of the two cities, not how often we play each other. If anything the scarcity of meetings ramps it up even more when we do play. If you don't understand it I can only assume you're not from Southampton. If you are it makes it more baffling. The buzz from beating the skates is one of the biggest highs you can experience as a Saints fan.

[Bad Wolf]

23 hours ago, derry said:

I was pleased Portsmouth lost so they were removed from the competition as its the last team I'd want to meet. I don't get the hyped up competition as they are a team we have hardly played in the last hundred years. Very few in the last sixty years. It's a distraction we don't need.

Agreed. They were the last time I wanted too. Imagine if they knocked us out from a lower division, we'd never hear the end of it.

[derry]

58 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

So? The rivalry is based on the geography and rivalry of the two cities, not how often we play each other. If anything the scarcity of meetings ramps it up even more when we do play. If you don't understand it I can only assume you're not from Southampton. If you are it makes it more baffling. The buzz from beating the skates is one of the biggest highs you can experience as a Saints fan.

That is a stupid comment. Can you remember Len Wilkins, Johhnny Walker, John Christie, Bobby McLaughlin, Don Roper etc, Well I can and every season since. As youngsters along with plenty of others we would sometimes go to Fratton Park to watch special matches, like one of the great Hungarian teams MTK loaded with some of the great Hungarian 1953-56 team. There wasn't a rivalry then as we had no football connection. In the sixties going to away matches there was a non event as we mostly won. I can't remember any problems there as a Saints supporter. The so called rivalry has been concocted in later years when really there isn't one and most people really can't be bothered. If we never played them again it would be too soon for me. An awful club that should have been liquidated after it's second administration, spending money it didn't have, borrowing money it wouldn't pay back and screwing lots of traders in the process. Why would we want to have a rivalry with them of all clubs?

Edited August 15 by derry

[suewhistle]

As Trousers will no doubt tell you, it _is_ a different club that we are now rivals to! I sometimes have to remind people (I live near Portsmouth) that they only paid 0.5 pence in the pound on what they owed.

I recall being on the terraces under the E or W stand at The Dell back in the mid 70s and overhearing comments about the games people had seen the previous week at FP.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 hours ago, derry said:

That is a stupid comment. Can you remember Len Wilkins, Johhnny Walker, John Christie, Bobby McLaughlin, Don Roper etc, Well I can and every season since. As youngsters along with plenty of others we would sometimes go to Fratton Park to watch special matches, like one of the great Hungarian teams MTK loaded with some of the great Hungarian 1953-56 team. There wasn't a rivalry then as we had no football connection. In the sixties going to away matches there was a non event as we mostly won. I can't remember any problems there as a Saints supporter. The so called rivalry has been concocted in later years when really there isn't one and most people really can't be bothered. If we never played them again it would be too soon for me. An awful club that should have been liquidated after it's second administration, spending money it didn't have, borrowing money it wouldn't pay back and screwing lots of traders in the process. Why would we want to have a rivalry with them of all clubs?

But surely your reference to them as an awful club in itself promotes some kind of rivalry? I work in a very heavy PO zone. The rivalry matters to those of a blue persuasion. Even people who have no interest in football hate all things Southampton. 

[derry]

1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

But surely your reference to them as an awful club in itself promotes some kind of rivalry? I work in a very heavy PO zone. The rivalry matters to those of a blue persuasion. Even people who have no interest in football hate all things Southampton. 

What does that sort of bigotary prove. Nothing to do with football more to do with an opportunity to kick off by people who should know better. The awful club comment relates to their rediculous overspending that ruined many traders when they went into administration. The only feeling I have about them is that they should have been liquidated for their behaviour and effect. Allowing a resuscitation in the EFL was a disgrace. Long may us not playing them continue. I really don't care whether they think they are special rivals they really don't matter any more than we didn't matter to them when they were in the First Division and we were in the Third, having never been higher than the Second Division.

[whelk]

8 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Agreed. They were the last time I wanted too. Imagine if they knocked us out from a lower division, we'd never hear the end of it.

Ahh the old ‘I’m a pussy’ v ‘I’m a proper fan’ debate. You should be embarrassed being the former

[Bad Wolf]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Ahh the old ‘I’m a pussy’ v ‘I’m a proper fan’ debate. You should be embarrassed being the former

Ooooo you're 'ard

[derry]

The worst thing about Portsmouth FC is that knowing what they did nobody there has shown the slightest shame or regret for their behaviour. They are still full of the same egotistical bullshit. It's not as if we have competitive matches. We've only been beaten five times in 28 games covering 97 years. Some rivalry.

[spyinthesky]

On 15/08/2024 at 12:47, derry said:

That is a stupid comment. Can you remember Len Wilkins, Johhnny Walker, John Christie, Bobby McLaughlin, Don Roper etc, Well I can and every season since. As youngsters along with plenty of others we would sometimes go to Fratton Park to watch special matches, like one of the great Hungarian teams MTK loaded with some of the great Hungarian 1953-56 team. There wasn't a rivalry then as we had no football connection. In the sixties going to away matches there was a non event as we mostly won. I can't remember any problems there as a Saints supporter. The so called rivalry has been concocted in later years when really there isn't one and most people really can't be bothered. If we never played them again it would be too soon for me. An awful club that should have been liquidated after it's second administration, spending money it didn't have, borrowing money it wouldn't pay back and screwing lots of traders in the process. Why would we want to have a rivalry with them of all clubs?

I went to school in Fareham and although it was primarily a Pompey focused town eg the Pompey News had a far bigger circulation there than the Daily Echo, there was a far amount of Saints fans at school and we used to have good natured Pompey v Saints games (which we generally won!!)
Up until 1960 Pompey had been the top club on the South Coast (from around the mid 1930's) whereas Saints had been in the ascendency from the Southern League days of the 1880/1890's.
Many people from the Southampton area used to get the train down to Pompey to see First Division football without any issues at all.
Things changed when Saints went up to Div 2 as Pompey were relegated from Div 1 and we immediately won more games than they did.
I remember going down to Fratton Park for the first meeting there, which we won  5-2 if I remember correctly. Both sets of supporters mixed reasonably well although our young supporter who used to run round the perimeter of the pitch in Saints kit got tripped up by the adult Pompey mascot in a sailor suit and a supporter threw sand in the lads eyes when he went down which wasnt at all friendly.
Not long long after Pompey supporters came down to The Dell for John Hollowbread's testimonial game and caused some problems and the rivalry then ramped up as football hooliganism started being 'fashionable' in the early mid 1960's.
I have a vague recollection of some Saints fans going down mob handed to a Pompey game one evening and causing problems at Fareham station (possibly a Pompey supporting lad was badly injured) and the rivalry moved on from there, especially when the so called 657 mob commenced operation.
Ironically the so called 'Scummer' name which, supposedly comes from the laughingly ridiculous Southampton Company Of Union Men (S,C,U,M) was actually first used in the autumn of 1976 when workers in the Commercial Docks in Pompey, broke an agreement not to accept Brittany Ferry ships transferring from Plymouth and TGWU members, primarily from Southampton but also including members from Weymouth, Poole and Plymouth, laid siege to Pompey Docks for several days and Hampshire Police were called in to provide protection.
All the information can be found about this can be found in the archives of the Daily Echo and the Portsmouth News so it it pukka info.
I know quite a few people from Pompey and by and large they are OK.
However most, if not all, have a real chip on their shoulder about Southampton as a city and a football club which seems to reflect an inferiority complex which I find it hard to understand.
Pompey has always reminded me of a northern town transplanted on the South Coast but without any humour.

[Dark Munster]

9 hours ago, derry said:

The worst thing about Portsmouth FC is that knowing what they did nobody there has shown the slightest shame or regret for their behaviour. They are still full of the same egotistical bullshit. It's not as if we have competitive matches. We've only been beaten five times in 28 games covering 97 years. Some rivalry.

Yes, but don't forget their famous April 2012 upset, when Norris scored a 110th minute winner in their 2-2 draw against us, which saved them from relegation and consigned us to another season in the second tier.

They'll be talking about that epic goal for generations.

[CSA96]

 

[Saint Garrett]

One of the worst draws we could have had I think.

Bit of a trek at a ground we've played at a lot in recent years. 

[derry]

On 17/08/2024 at 20:36, Dark Munster said:

Yes, but don't forget their famous April 2012 upset, when Norris scored a 110th minute winner in their 2-2 draw against us, which saved them from relegation and consigned us to another season in the second tier.

They'll be talking about that epic goal for generations.

I think your memory fails you, if true their delusion is laughable. That result had no effect on our season at all. We in fact had consecutive season promotions. May 2011 we were promoted to the Championship and in May 2012 we were promoted again to the Premier League we didn't play Portsmouth again until the 2019 League Cup game at Fratton Park, I think 4-0 to us. We subsequently played Manchester City in our first Premier League match in August 2012. They might have saved themselves but they were soon relegated twice and it's taken them something like another ten years to get to the Championship. If I was them I would be keeping quiet. I'm glad we've avoided them this year and hoping that's the way it'll stay.

Edited August 19 by derry