Non-Saints Games - 24/25

[East Kent Saint]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Did you all see the elbow from the arrogant dutch top knotted wanker on Richarlson... no action whatsoever.... utter disgrace 

He definitely stuck his elbow in an upward motion into his chin , it looked deliberate,  why VAR said it was ok .....

[tdmickey3]

36 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

He definitely stuck his elbow in an upward motion into his chin , it looked deliberate,  why VAR said it was ok .....

The Livarpool love in

[Badger]

19 hours ago, Turkish said:

We signed Rideout from Bari, we also tried to get Gordon Cowans at the same time which would have been a good signing but never happened as he went back to Villa. 
 

l always thought he was a good player and underrated because at the same time we had a really good group of young players coming though, Shearer, Le Tissier, Wallace along with fans favourites like Case and Danny Wallace.

although I will never forget him missing an open goal from about a foot out then falling on his arse in a goal mouth scramble right at the end of a 2-2 draw with Everton in the 89/90 season a few months after we smashed Liverpool 4-1 at the dell and he scored a brilliant header, hit the bar form 35 yard and the post in the second half 

I'd forgotten that bit, that was the Chris Nicholl/Tony Barton connection from their Villa days. Shame it didn't come off.

[Colinjb]

So. VAR.

Bring it in for the cup 4th round?

[rallyboy]

Just the five Man United players offside for their winner.

In the lino's defence, four of them didn't interfere with play.

[Jimmy_D]

VAR isn’t even part of the discussion with that one, it’s just a straight up shocking decision.

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Jimmy_D said:

VAR isn’t even part of the discussion with that one, it’s just a straight up shocking decision.

How is it not part of the discussion, it's literally the thing it was brought in to try and prevent. People get so caught up in hating VAR that they forget some of the absolutely batsh*t nonsense that preceeded it. 

[Jimmy_D]

25 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

How is it not part of the discussion, it's literally the thing it was brought in to try and prevent. People get so caught up in hating VAR that they forget some of the absolutely batsh*t nonsense that preceeded it. 

Yes, VAR would and could have corrected that decision, and don’t get me wrong, I’m all for VAR being available as a tool to use, even if its actual use has been less than ideal, but even if VAR had been available, that offside tonight isn’t a decision it should ever have been needed for. The lino is literally in the perfect position to make that call.

[Colinjb]

35 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

VAR isn’t even part of the discussion with that one, it’s just a straight up shocking decision.

Agreed. It's just utter incompetence.

[badgerx16]

27 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Agreed. It's just utter incompetence.

No, it was Man Utd at Old Trafford. The officials did their jobs perfectly.

[Gloucester Saint]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

No, it was Man Utd at Old Trafford. The officials did their jobs perfectly.

They didn’t always prevail though - Big Ron’s last act as Utd boss 

 

[Gloucester Saint]

That’s a shocker https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czrl25k748vo

Nothing will be done though, any more than Steve Dunn against us in the quarter final in 1996 there which Fergie said ought to have stood.

It’s either pure negligence, poor eyesight or closet supporting for Utd. VAR is not the issue - our officials are and have been for 20 years. This was supposed to stop when they were allowed to go full time but it’s just getting worse.

 

[Doctoroncall]

30 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

That’s a shocker https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czrl25k748vo

Nothing will be done though, any more than Steve Dunn against us in the quarter final in 1996 there which Fergie said ought to have stood.

It’s either pure negligence, poor eyesight or closet supporting for Utd. VAR is not the issue - our officials are and have been for 20 years. This was supposed to stop when they were allowed to go full time but it’s just getting worse.

 

It would be interesting to know what a full time paid up ref got up to these days. 

[suewhistle]

Well at least Leyton Orient won't get whitewashed!

 

[Jimmy_D]

Holy ****  

[Sheaf Saint]

The two Armstrongs currently playing against each other in the Championship - Adam for WBA and Stu for Sheff Weds.

[sadoldgit]

Just now, Sheaf Saint said:

The two Armstrongs currently playing against each other in the Championship - Adam for WBA and Stu for Sheff Weds.

Plus Charles and Valery playing for SW.

[Sheaf Saint]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

That’s a shocker https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czrl25k748vo

Nothing will be done though, any more than Steve Dunn against us in the quarter final in 1996 there which Fergie said ought to have stood.

It’s either pure negligence, poor eyesight or closet supporting for Utd. VAR is not the issue - our officials are and have been for 20 years. This was supposed to stop when they were allowed to go full time but it’s just getting worse.

 

I wonder if it's just a bit of complacency from the lino. They seem so reluctant to make offside calls in the PL these days because they know VAR will confirm if a goal should stand or not, so maybe he just forgot for a moment that it wasn't there to bail him out.

[steve green]

1 hour ago, Doctoroncall said:

It would be interesting to know what a full time paid up ref got up to these days. 

Between 73000 - 148000 a year according to the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cwy1wm0l92ro

[Sheaf Saint]

10 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

The two Armstrongs currently playing against each other in the Championship - Adam for WBA and Stu for Sheff Weds.

Just had a quick look at the match updates on Bet365 and saw this:

Quelle surprise. 

[Whitey Grandad]

14 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Just the five Man United players offside for their winner.

In the lino's defence, four of them didn't interfere with play.

I think they had all got so bored that they just wanted to go home.

[Whitey Grandad]

7 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Just had a quick look at the match updates on Bet365 and saw this:

Quelle surprise. 

Fewer than one in six shots leads to a goal.

Better to take a shot and fail than fail to take a shot.

[sfc4prem]

23 minutes ago, steve green said:

Between 73000 - 148000 a year according to the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cwy1wm0l92ro

Bloody need some sort of compensation for all the shit they get.

[Fabrice29]

34 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I wonder if it's just a bit of complacency from the lino. They seem so reluctant to make offside calls in the PL these days because they know VAR will confirm if a goal should stand or not, so maybe he just forgot for a moment that it wasn't there to bail him out.

 Seen that wally from the podcast suggest this too on Twitter. There was never any occasion before VAR that linesman got things wrong and everything that now happens must be VARs fault, whether it was used or not.

[Gloucester Saint]

43 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I wonder if it's just a bit of complacency from the lino. They seem so reluctant to make offside calls in the PL these days because they know VAR will confirm if a goal should stand or not, so maybe he just forgot for a moment that it wasn't there to bail him out.

Quite possible although it’s a staggering lack of professionalism either way. That was hardly a marginal one to the naked eye.

[Sheaf Saint]

15 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 Seen that wally from the podcast suggest this too on Twitter. There was never any occasion before VAR that linesman got things wrong and everything that now happens must be VARs fault, whether it was used or not.

Yeah... that wasn't the point I was trying to make at all though. 

[Fabrice29]

11 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Yeah... that wasn't the point I was trying to make at all though. 

Yeah...it was though. 

[Fabrice29]

Couple of bad decisions in the Orient v City game too. No VAR is ruining the game.  

Edited Saturday at 14:04 by Fabrice29

[Sheaf Saint]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

Yeah...it was though. 

I know what I meant, thanks.

Of course officials made mistakes in the past before VAR existed, and I actually support the use of VAR, so I'm not "blaming" it at all. Just voicing an opinion on a possible factor that might have influenced this particular mistake.

 

[Fabrice29]

Adam Armstrong with a nice little finish.

[ErwinK1961]

Just now, Sheaf Saint said:

I know what I meant, thanks.

Of course officials made mistakes in the past before VAR existed, and I actually support the use of VAR, so I'm not "blaming" it at all. Just voicing an opinion on a possible factor that might have influenced this particular mistake.

 

I thought the same.

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I know what I meant, thanks.

Of course officials made mistakes in the past before VAR existed, and I actually support the use of VAR, so I'm not "blaming" it at all. Just voicing an opinion on a possible factor that might have influenced this particular mistake.

 

You meant what you said...That the lino didn't make a decision because he's used to having VAR available. Which considering that before VAR plenty of lino's also didn't make decisions like that is silly.

[beatlesaint]

6 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Adam Armstrong with a nice little finish.

Bugger, I meant to have a couple of quid on him to score today and forgot about it !!

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

You meant what you said...That the lino didn't make a decision because he's used to having VAR available. Which considering that before VAR plenty of lino's also didn't make decisions like that is silly.

Oh fuck off you boring, argumentative little troll.

For the last time, before I put you on ignore...

Yes - officials make mistakes with or without VAR. Nobody is disputing that FFS.

Week in week out in the PL these days, I see Lino's being very hesitant to make offside calls. That is obviously influenced by the use of VAR. 

This particular mistake, given that it was a dead ball situation, is an obvious howler from the lino. So I'm merely raising the suggestion that the hesitancy to raise his flag MIGHT have been because of the different mindset that officials have been forced to adopt in the modern game where VAR is there to bail them out.

Is that simple enough for you to understand?

[Fabrice29]

29 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Oh fuck off you boring, argumentative little troll.

For the last time, before I put you on ignore...

Yes - officials make mistakes with or without VAR. Nobody is disputing that FFS.

Week in week out in the PL these days, I see Lino's being very hesitant to make offside calls. That is obviously influenced by the use of VAR. 

This particular mistake, given that it was a dead ball situation, is an obvious howler from the lino. So I'm merely raising the suggestion that the hesitancy to raise his flag MIGHT have been because of the different mindset that officials have been forced to adopt in the modern game where VAR is there to bail them out.

Is that simple enough for you to understand?

It was simple enough to understand the first time you said it, hence why I said it was absurd. It's you that seems to be hell bent on explaining it in simpler terms and guess what, its still silly.

[adrian lord]

Cracking 1st half at St Andrews. Can only admire the passion of the Brum crowd in their tight, intimidating ground. Proper old school vibes. 

[benjii]

How on earth has the lino flagged that goal? It's literally just a guess.

Surely he has to be certain to flag that, and there's no way he is certain.

Edited Saturday at 18:39 by benjii

[Toussaint]

London Dykes seems to think he’s a Latino gang banger

[Toussaint]

Birmingham are a filthy side. Haven’t seen such blatant thuggery in a long time.

[Green]

17 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Birmingham are a filthy side. Haven’t seen such blatant thuggery in a long time.

With a former Saints youth Klarer in the team. 

[Toussaint]

13 minutes ago, Green said:

With a former Saints youth Klarer in the team. 

I didn’t know that. Two former saints fullbacks playing for Newcastle. 

[Green]

2 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I didn’t know that. Two former saints fullbacks playing for Newcastle. 

Birmingham. Looks more like a rugby player. 

[aintforever]

On 07/02/2025 at 23:15, Colinjb said:

Agreed. It's just utter incompetence.

It’s what happened all the time pre-VAR.

[aintforever]

12 hours ago, benjii said:

How on earth has the lino flagged that goal? It's literally just a guess.

Surely he has to be certain to flag that, and there's no way he is certain.

Since we’ve had VAR it’s become obvious how many of the official’s decisions have been pure guesswork. It’s near on impossible for a Lino to get many of these tight offside decisions right. You’ve got some bloke jogging down the line desperately trying to keep up with athletes, then he has to watch when a player kicks the ball and try to work out if some others on a different part of the pitch we’re in line at the time or not - it’s ridiculous. It’s the same for the ball crossing the goal line, it’s nearly always just guesswork.

I would get VAR involved more, there are still many times in the Prem where the clowns on the pitch just guess, and we all know that guesses tend to favour the big clubs, especially when they are at home.

 

[Whitey Grandad]

4 hours ago, aintforever said:

Since we’ve had VAR it’s become obvious how many of the official’s decisions have been pure guesswork. It’s near on impossible for a Lino to get many of these tight offside decisions right. You’ve got some bloke jogging down the line desperately trying to keep up with athletes, then he has to watch when a player kicks the ball and try to work out if some others on a different part of the pitch we’re in line at the time or not - it’s ridiculous. It’s the same for the ball crossing the goal line, it’s nearly always just guesswork.

I would get VAR involved more, there are still many times in the Prem where the clowns on the pitch just guess, and we all know that guesses tend to favour the big clubs, especially when they are at home.

 

Well that’s pure rubbish. Being a linesman (Assistant Referee) is a skilled job that requires a lot of specialist training which is why they stick to that field of officiating although they can referee if needed.

They are just as fit as the players so when you say “trying to keep up” you are quite simply wrong.

To be blunt, you haven’t got a clue. And I don’t say that very often, if ever. You may be the first 😉

[benjii]

5 hours ago, aintforever said:

Since we’ve had VAR it’s become obvious how many of the official’s decisions have been pure guesswork. It’s near on impossible for a Lino to get many of these tight offside decisions right. You’ve got some bloke jogging down the line desperately trying to keep up with athletes, then he has to watch when a player kicks the ball and try to work out if some others on a different part of the pitch we’re in line at the time or not - it’s ridiculous. It’s the same for the ball crossing the goal line, it’s nearly always just guesswork.

I would get VAR involved more, there are still many times in the Prem where the clowns on the pitch just guess, and we all know that guesses tend to favour the big clubs, especially when they are at home.

 

VAR for offsides and tech for goal line, absolutely. Although with that level of precision for offsides, the law itself needs review as calling offsides over sleeve lines / arse cheeks etc. is a nonsense. Should be based on farthest back part of attacker's foot versus farthest forward part of the defender's foot, or something like that. 

But VAR intervening in judgement calls has not helped at all IMO. Still completely inconsistent. The foul on Ramsdale at Selhurst was blatant. No intervention. Whereas the foul given against us at Wolves was 50/50 at best (I'd say more like 70/30 in our favour) yet they intervened. Then we got a ridiculous decision in our favour against Brentford at home. All nonsense.

[East Kent Saint]

Liverpool join Saints as FA Cup failures 😄

[Lighthouse]

Mental that Freed from Desire is now a global sporting anthem because some bloke from Wigan quite liked Will Grigg. Wouldn’t be surprised to hear it at the Superb Owl later.

[Jimmy_D]

Proper FA Cup tie that one!

[Saint_clark]

Great game. That Argyle side has so much potential, wouldn't be surprised to see them stay up.