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Nordic Saint

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  On 18/01/2025 at 13:26, Saint_clark said:

Can we add David Brooks to the list of players Martin abjectly failed to get the best out of? Struggled for us in playoffs in the championship, now starting for a side joint 5th in the Prem.

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He's a VERY skilful player, who likes running with the ball and beating defenders. He's not going to walk around in his own half, passing sideways and backwards.

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OldNick

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its amazing how Areolas (/) is not in the names when PL jobs come up. Is it as hes at a minnow club and gets overlooked. Hes done an incredible job, we ll done Cherries

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Saint_clark

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  On 18/01/2025 at 13:48, ErwinK1961 said:

What on earth are you on about? We got a premier league player on loan who helped us get promoted and their club didn’t want to sell. It was indeed a great decision. 

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  On 18/01/2025 at 13:51, Saint1963 said:

Do you actually know anything about football  

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Follow the whole chain of posts lads. Jesus Christ. 

Saint_clark

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  On 18/01/2025 at 13:58, Nordic Saint said:

He's a VERY skilful player, who likes running with the ball and beating defenders. He's not going to walk around in his own half, passing sideways and backwards, so Martin never liked him.

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And yet Martin signed him.

Nordic Saint

Nordic Saint

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  On 18/01/2025 at 13:59, Saint_clark said:

And yet Martin signed him.

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Fair point. I don't think Martin actively disliked any of the players; he just wanted them to play his way. I'll delete the bit about him not liking him.

90th minute now and Bournemouth are still attacking, trying to score a 3rd goal.

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Bournemouth are everything Saints should’ve been 😂

Well done to them

Lighthouse

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  On 18/01/2025 at 13:59, Saint_clark said:

Follow the whole chain of posts lads. Jesus Christ. 

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Premier League teams don’t loan out decent, first team players just for fun. We only got a player of Brooks’ quality because he wasn’t fit and needed matches at a lower level to get there. He was clearly a class above the Championship, scored a couple of goals and played in all three of our playoff games.

He was an important part of our squad last season even with his fitness struggles but hey, if you, Duck and a handful of others need to use his lymphoma recovery to bash ‘Lego’ then crack on. 

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  On 18/01/2025 at 14:51, sfc4prem said:

Wait, 'should've been'?? Didn't we do pretty well under Koeman?

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We did nearly ten years ago. 🙄

But I’m not living in the past. Bournemouth the last few years have been exceptionally well run. Good owner, gradual investment, training facilities refurb, smart scouting, not wasting money.

You can’t fault the way they’ve been run. They deserve all the success they’re getting at the moment.

Suhari

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  On 18/01/2025 at 16:23, FarehamSaintJames said:

We did nearly ten years ago. 🙄

But I’m not living in the past. Bournemouth the last few years have been exceptionally well run. Good owner, gradual investment, training facilities refurb, smart scouting, not wasting money.

You can’t fault the way they’ve been run. They deserve all the success they’re getting at the moment.

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They've come a long, long way since our bucket whip-rounds.

Pleased for them. Genuinely. And quite jealous too: obviously!

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Lord Duckhunter

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  On 18/01/2025 at 13:26, Saint_clark said:

Can we add David Brooks to the list of players Martin abjectly failed to get the best out of? Struggled for us in playoffs in the championship, now starting for a side joint 5th in the Prem.

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  On 18/01/2025 at 13:58, Nordic Saint said:

He's a VERY skilful player, who likes running with the ball and beating defenders. He's not going to walk around in his own half, passing sideways and backwards.

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Careful, being critical of Lego regarding Brookes is frowned upon by the Mods. 

Fabrice29

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  On 18/01/2025 at 13:26, Saint_clark said:

Can we add David Brooks to the list of players Martin abjectly failed to get the best out of? Struggled for us in playoffs in the championship, now starting for a side joint 5th in the Prem.

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2 goals and 6 assists for David Brooks last season for us btw. Considering he was a end of January signing and his only more productive seasons so far are ones he's played more minutes in, I'd say he did pretty well, despite the weird narrative on here he was a waste of a squad space.

Harry_SFC

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  On 18/01/2025 at 17:45, Fabrice29 said:

2 goals and 6 assists for David Brooks last season for us btw. Considering he was a end of January signing and his only more productive seasons so far are ones he's played more minutes in, I'd say he did pretty well, despite the weird narrative on here he was a waste of a squad space.

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He's clearly a very good player. Was just getting back up to speed with us last season. Since he's got back in the Bournemouth side he's looked class. 

verlaine1979

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Our recruitment really has been utter shit for a decade. It's not as if the likes of Bmouth, Forest and Palace have outspent us. Their scouts just seem to have clocked that you can't really make it in the PL without both strength and pace. Those are table stakes, and anyone who doesn't have them needs exceptional technique to make up for it.

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Harry_SFC

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  On 18/01/2025 at 20:04, verlaine1979 said:

Our recruitment really has been utter shit for a decade. It's not as if the likes of Bmouth, Forest and Palace have outspent us. Their scouts just seem to have clocked that you can't really make it in the PL without both strength and pace. Those are table stakes, and anyone who doesn't have them needs exceptional technique to make up for it.

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Yep Bournemouth's entire front line is pretty quick and powerful. Then you have Brooks and Kluivert who add the guile.

Outtara, Kluivert, Tavernier, Brooks, Evanilson, Semenyo and Unal are all better than anyone else we have bar Dibling. How depressing. 

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  On 18/01/2025 at 16:04, Lighthouse said:

Premier League teams don’t loan out decent, first team players just for fun. We only got a player of Brooks’ quality because he wasn’t fit and needed matches at a lower level to get there. He was clearly a class above the Championship, scored a couple of goals and played in all three of our playoff games.

He was an important part of our squad last season even with his fitness struggles but hey, if you, Duck and a handful of others need to use his lymphoma recovery to bash ‘Lego’ then crack on. 

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The bashing of Lego on this point is that the players don’t look fit, the point about Brooks Is if Lego head was still here and so was Brooks he wouldn’t be playing like he is because he won’t be as fit as he is now

its a pretty valid point because quite a few people have said our team don’t look fit one of them being our new manager, who probably might know a thing or two about it.

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Mboto Gorge

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The relentless defence of Lego by certain posters is so bizarre when he proved beyond all doubt he was hugely out of his depth here at best, and completely negligent and bringing the club into disrepute, at worst. Judging by reports of the overall fitness levels and total lack discipline among the whole environment during his tenure…combined with our pitiful points tally this season, I don’t think the latter is too far wrong.

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Lighthouse

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  On 18/01/2025 at 20:27, Turkish said:

The bashing of Lego on this point is that the players don’t look fit, the point about Brooks Is if Lego head was still here and so was Brooks he wouldn’t be playing like he is because he won’t be as fit as he is now

its a pretty valid point because quite a few people have said our team don’t look fit one of them being our new manager, who probably might know a thing or two about it.

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No, the bashing is quite literally that Brooks looks better and fitter now than he did for us last season and this must be 'Lego's fault' because apparently he just doesn't bother with fitness or whatever. It's not, he was recovering from lymphoma, that's why he came on loan to us in the first place, which bizarrely Clark seems to think is 'Lego's fault' too for being Bournemouth's rehab'.

He came here on loan, did a decent enough job for us without being Earth shattering and now is doing well for himself at Bournemouth. Good luck to the lad, who I'm sure has been through an awful ordeal which took a lot of time and determination to come back from. Given all of that, I think using his cancer recovery to declare him, "another example of Martin not getting the best out of a player" is utterly classless, from any fans. Forget Martin, I'd defend Harry Redknapp against a bullsh*t argument like that.

The fitness thing is tenuous at best. Jan Bednarek didn't seem to have any problem getting match fit after a month injured. Dibling seems to have played a lot of football for an 18 year old. Fernandes, Armstrong, KWP, THB and countless other players don't seem to have any issues getting around for 90 minutes. In fact it seems to me the players with 'fitness issues' are the likes of Onuachu and ABK, who Juric doesn't seem to have much interest in playing any more than Martin.

Turkish

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  On 18/01/2025 at 21:13, Lighthouse said:

No, the bashing is quite literally that Brooks looks better and fitter now than he did for us last season and this must be 'Lego's fault' because apparently he just doesn't bother with fitness or whatever. It's not, he was recovering from lymphoma, that's why he came on loan to us in the first place, which bizarrely Clark seems to think is 'Lego's fault' too for being Bournemouth's rehab'.

He came here on loan, did a decent enough job for us without being Earth shattering and now is doing well for himself at Bournemouth. Good luck to the lad, who I'm sure has been through an awful ordeal which took a lot of time and determination to come back from. Given all of that, I think using his cancer recovery to declare him, "another example of Martin not getting the best out of a player" is utterly classless, from any fans. Forget Martin, I'd defend Harry Redknapp against a bullsh*t argument like that.

The fitness thing is tenuous at best. Jan Bednarek didn't seem to have any problem getting match fit after a month injured. Dibling seems to have played a lot of football for an 18 year old. Fernandes, Armstrong, KWP, THB and countless other players don't seem to have any issues getting around for 90 minutes. In fact it seems to me the players with 'fitness issues' are the likes of Onuachu and ABK, who Juric doesn't seem to have much interest in playing any more than Martin.

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Get over it he’s gone 

Mboto Gorge

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  On 18/01/2025 at 21:34, Lighthouse said:

Not me you need to tell, I'm not the one watching Newcastle vs Bournemouth, then coming on here to complain about Martin. 🤷‍♂️

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That aside, and forgetting this particular brooks topic…you do seem to relentlessly stick up for Martin, against all logic sometimes. I’d be interested to know what it was about him that you felt you had to keep defending the often indefensible. I just find it really odd - almost to the point where there’s more to it

Dark Munster

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  On 18/01/2025 at 21:38, Mboto Gorge said:

That aside, and forgetting this particular brooks topic…you do seem to relentlessly stick up for Martin, against all logic sometimes. I’d be interested to know what it was about him that you felt you had to keep defending the often indefensible. I just find it really odd - almost to the point where there’s more to it

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My guess it’s simply a case of the RM defenders who hate to admit they were wrong. 

Mboto Gorge

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  On 18/01/2025 at 21:43, Dark Munster said:

My guess it’s simply a case of the RM defenders who hate to admit they were wrong. 

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It’s quite probably that, because let’s be honest Martin has found himself overall to be lacking in certain basic fundamentals needed to be successful manager. He has probably guaranteed himself to never ever get anywhere near a premier league job again. And If he ever took another champ club up, he would likely be replaced before he had a chance to manage them in the prem, based on the shit show he presided on here. 

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Lighthouse

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  On 18/01/2025 at 21:43, Dark Munster said:

My guess it’s simply a case of the RM defenders who hate to admit they were wrong. 

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Tell you what, since I CBA with this any more, I'll do you a deal. I promise not to make any reference, either directly or indirectly, to Russell Martin until after the Newcastle game next weekend. I'll do that and we'll see just how many negative references to a bloke who got sacked a month ago there are, without my provocation, during and after the next two games.

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Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 18/01/2025 at 21:50, Lighthouse said:

Tell you what, since I CBA with this any more, I'll do you a deal. I promise not to make any reference, either directly or indirectly, to Russell Martin until after the Newcastle game next weekend. I'll do that and we'll see just how many negative references to a bloke who got sacked a month ago there are, without my provocation, during and after the next two games.

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Is now a bad time to mention my surprise last season, when having most of the possession and our opponents having to exert themselves a lot more, we were the side that ran out of puff on more than one occasion?

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Mboto Gorge

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  On 18/01/2025 at 21:50, Lighthouse said:

Tell you what, since I CBA with this any more, I'll do you a deal. I promise not to make any reference, either directly or indirectly, to Russell Martin until after the Newcastle game next weekend. I'll do that and we'll see just how many negative references to a bloke who got sacked a month ago there are, without my provocation, during and after the next two games.

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Surely it’s quite natural for a fanbase to still be a little bit aggrieved at the ineptitude of the previous manager who managed 5 points from 17 games or are we all supposed to forget about the fact that the guy was more interested in his own image than making sure he got the best out of the squad at his disposal and actually set the team up to be competitive, at the very least show some resolve and try to get some positive performances out of the squad and set them up correctly to give the best possible chance to do. He failed at the most basic, given requirements that all fans of any team should expect, and not only that, he didn’t seem to have an issue with the way things were going either. And that’s a huge part of why we’re already relegated in January with the worst start to a season in premier league history.

Again, it’s utterly bizarre that as a fan of this club, none of this seems to bother you: to the contrary in fact. 

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notnowcato

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  On 18/01/2025 at 21:59, Mboto Gorge said:

Surely it’s quite natural for a fanbase to still be a little bit aggrieved at the ineptitude of the previous manager who managed 5 points from 17 games or are we all supposed to forget about the fact that the guy was more interested in his own image than making sure he got the best out of the squad at his disposal and actually set the team up to be competitive, at the very least show some resolve and try to get some positive performances out of the squad and set them up correctly to give the best possible chance to do. He failed at the most basic, given requirements that all fans of any team should expect, and not only that, he didn’t seem to have an issue with the way things were going either. And that’s a huge part of why we’re already relegated in January with the worst start to a season in premier league history.

Again, it’s utterly bizarre that as a fan of this club, none of this seems to bother you: to the contrary in fact. 

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To be fair there is a lot utter bollox slung at the door of Martin. Considering there isn’t a lack of material that could be chucked in his direction the depths some posters go to link something to being the fault of the previous manager is frankly bizarre. 

Mboto Gorge

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  On 18/01/2025 at 22:26, notnowcato said:

To be fair there is a lot utter bollox slung at the door of Martin. Considering there isn’t a lack of material that could be chucked in his direction the depths some posters go to link something to being the fault of the previous manager is frankly bizarre. 

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Feel free to tell me what parts of my post you disagree with. Or are you suggesting you think Martin got the best out of what he had available to him?

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notnowcato

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  On 18/01/2025 at 22:28, Mboto Gorge said:

Feel free to tell me what parts of my post you disagree with. Or are you suggesting you think Martin got the best out of what he had available to him?

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Without wishing to appear rude, no. Best left where it is. Move on, look forward. 

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ErwinK1961

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  On 18/01/2025 at 21:59, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Is now a bad time to mention my surprise last season, when having most of the possession and our opponents having to exert themselves a lot more, we were the side that ran out of puff on more than one occasion?

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Seem to recall us winning a fair few games late.

Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 18/01/2025 at 22:52, ErwinK1961 said:

Seem to recall us winning a fair few games late.

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We did get some late winners. (Side discussions are available as to why we had to leave it so late, despite having easily one of the best squads in the league 🙂)

My point wasn't that we ended every game on 60 minutes because they'd been smoking 40 a day on the training ground.

Some players are fitter than others. Some games take more out of a team than others. Sometimes, there's a lot of fixtures and returning from injury. Sometimes, some individual talent at a lower level gets the points.

But on a more than one occasion, we were the side that wore ourselves out playing a lot of sideways passing. I remember saying that Martin's controlled approach should often be able to allow us to manage our energy and make the most of it at key points in the game. Just for us to promptly wheeze, give away some sloppy space and passes, then concede.

It would cross my mind on some days our possession game struggled and that Martin's approach never really clicked to the extent we challenged for automatic places, and faded away.

There were plenty of other reasons for that. But I was surprised in the games we faded in, when we looked tired, having not had to do as much (thanks to Martin's control approach) as our opponents.

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Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 18/01/2025 at 22:28, Mboto Gorge said:

Feel free to tell me what parts of my post you disagree with. Or are you suggesting you think Martin got the best out of what he had available to him?

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We should draw a line under it. And remember that a line that starts horizontally, before going on a number of short, meaningless vertical detours, is still a line. 🙂

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Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 19/01/2025 at 00:39, Whitey Grandad said:

Why should we?

“Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.”

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If you read Lighthouse's response to Mboto's post, mine was really a follow up to that.

Note also the fun at Russball's expense.

Not for me to say it was my usual comedy gold, but I can direct you to Trousers' comedy laugh emoji of quality. 🙂(Being trousers, there is a chance he's hedging his bets on whether it was funny or not. 🙂)

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