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Champions - Arsenal

2-4th - Man City, Chelsea, Man United

Saints - 19th

Relegated - Ipswich, Saints, Leicester

Everton and Leicester will get a points deduction, but Everton will of course survive. We will play good football but our kamikaze means of playing out, along with continued terrible choice of goal keepers, will see us concede way too many goals and comfortably relegated.

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22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Champions - Arsenal

2-4th - Man City, Chelsea, Man United

Saints - 19th

Relegated - Ipswich, Saints, Leicester

Everton and Leicester will get a points deduction, but Everton will of course survive. We will play good football but our kamikaze means of playing out, along with continued terrible choice of goal keepers, will see us concede way too many goals and comfortably relegated.

Positive as ever.

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Head says :

Forest , Brentford , Saints 

Hart says :

Saints 17th .

Too early really to make a prediction but like probably every Saints fan I’d bite their hand off if someone offered us 17th now .

 

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As it stands:

Winners - City

Relegated - Leicester, Saints, Ipswich.

Tough to see anyone bar the promoted sides coming back down but we'll see. Saints definitely need more quality by the end of August.

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Champions : Man City

Relegated : Brentford, Bournemouth, Forest

Saints 14th. Dodgy start which sees us in the relegation zone until November. We then pull away from the bottom and are safe with 2 games to play. 

Cups see us humiliated. 

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It needs to be an astonishing last month of the transfer window to finish anywhere other than 20th. Then it’s two from Forrest, Leicester and Ipswich joining us IMO. The league will probably be City again.

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It will take a very good end to the window and a Herculean effort from the club to stay up (or a number of points deductions) - the gap between championship and premier league is a country mile.

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If we get a PL quality keeper, another CM of Downes' calibre, Brooks/Fraser replacement(s) and an actual centre forward that can put the ball in the back of the net on a semi-regular basis, then i can see us finishing as high as mid-table. If not, then rock bottom is inevitable I'd have thought. 

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8 hours ago, Edmonton Saint said:

Champions - Man City

Saints 17th - (much to the delight of Dalek)

Relegated - Forest, Everton, Leicester

Used to read this website for years before joining and maybe it was his name tag, but always read Dalek's comments. Don't know if he's now looking down from above, but we'll be ok this year. Prefer 17th and an interest/escape in the final games to mid-table mediocrity.

Unfortunately, Everton don't do relegation. Ipswich will join Leicester and Forest.

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I think we will be in a relegation battle for sure. Probably go back down, but not much in it. We are viable, I think, but not competitive. But it will be decided by inches. I don't think we will be many points from safety, nor many points clear of safety. Honest guess is about 34 points and 18th/19th. But that's probably one lucky goal away from 16th and staying up.

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Normally get these pretty accurate. Sadly this year I'm not at all confident if survival 😕

Think we'll have a shaky start, get found out defensively, have to make some adaptions, and ultimatley be playing catch up - but there is some dross in the league. Everton and forest in particular look poor, and Brentford have lost their big name striker to injury.

Maybe it will all click, but I can't see us coming far outside 19th-17th at the moment. Maybe a couple more signings and some good performances in the last few pre season games may raise my optimism levels. 

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19 hours ago, trousers said:

If we get a PL quality keeper, another CM of Downes' calibre, Brooks/Fraser replacement(s) and an actual centre forward that can put the ball in the back of the net on a semi-regular basis, then i can see us finishing as high as mid-table. If not, then rock bottom is inevitable I'd have thought. 

Rock bottom it is then 🙂

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Champions - Arsenal. More out of hope for change then anything else.

CL Places: Man Citeh, Liverpool, Man Utd
Europe: Spurs, Villa, Newcastle

FA Cup: Villa

Saints 16th - Or, relegated. We will either surprise many whilst still losing a few games heavily, or just entirely fail to offer a threat.

Relegated - Ipswich, Everton (Must surely be their time), Forest. Expect Brighton to be down there too.

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I don't casually watch Premier League football as not having a tv I have to make an effort to watch the games, normally Saints of course, that I want to watch.

But tonight in a random French chain hotel I watched one of last season's games between Arsenal and Chelsea. Some great players and ability on show but what also struck me was the number of errors and poor or over ambitious passing, plus long balls from keepers that came straight back. 

We'll struggle, no doubt, but maybe there is some hope after all?

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Champions: Arsenal (recruited well to fill the gaps and don’t want City)

CL: Man City, Liverpool, Man United 

Europe: Villa, Spurs, Brighton 

Saints: 17th (more in hope)

Relegation: Leicester, Forest, Brentford 

 

Chelsea - first to sack their manager but too late to recover. Boehly employs puppet manager but is really in charge until fans find his HQ and force him out. 

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31 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Unless we make at least a couple more decent signings it's hard to see us staying up, I think it will be a case of Ipswich and us way adrift then one from Brentford, Leicester, Wolves or Everton.

 

We need at least 4 not just a couple. The current squad is miles off what will be required. Not sure SR are that bothered about trying to avoid relegation back to the Championship. It all feels a bit lacking in any real ambition to survive and consolidate and more a question of let's see what happens - a lack of conviction.

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4th bottom will be an excellent season in my opinion, so far we've not really improved the squad much beyond the team that came 4th in the championship and added to that we don't have a striker who can score more than 10 goals in the premier league, a selection of keepers that i'd argue are our worst choices since the 90s plus a manager who's stubbornness to change a style that sees us lose position at the back far too often leads to us shipping a lot of goals (imagine how that will go against City or Liverpool!)

I think realistically if this is the squad for season we'll be 2nd bottom if Leicester gets a points deduction, 3rd bottom if that happens and Everton implode, and if neither of those happen bottom.

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52 minutes ago, saintant said:

Not sure SR are that bothered about trying to avoid relegation back to the Championship.

I've not really thought too hard about it (and therefore I'm likely to be pondering nonsense) but, from a purely commercial basis, could there be a business case for another relegation/promotion cycle to bolster the underlying finances for a more longer term stab at staying in the premier league...?

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1 hour ago, saintant said:

We need at least 4 not just a couple. The current squad is miles off what will be required. Not sure SR are that bothered about trying to avoid relegation back to the Championship. It all feels a bit lacking in any real ambition to survive and consolidate and more a question of let's see what happens - a lack of conviction.

The negativity and lack of conviction is with the writer, not the owners or the management. When will our 'supporters' show signs of the confidence the players need, and stop moaning? It gets so tedious. the doom merchants have us relegated before a ball has been kicked.  

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14 minutes ago, Dellyears said:

The negativity and lack of conviction is with the writer, not the owners or the management. When will our 'supporters' show signs of the confidence the players need, and stop moaning? It gets so tedious. the doom merchants have us relegated before a ball has been kicked.  

It's not really "negative" or "doom", we haven't really improved from the side that finished 4th in the league below last season and haven't exactly looked great in the pre-season friendlies.

I think it's fair to say everyone knows that we need a new keeper, we're lacking in center mid and on the wing, and we have at best an untested striker, a strikers that proved they can't score at this level, and a striker who's been pretty much permanently injured since we signed him.

Also given we're most likely losing our best player in KWP it's not completely unfair to think that it's going to be a long season. But Saints being Saints we'll probably get a shock win or two but also get absolutely destroyed on a few occasions.

In my opinion we need to treat this season as a mini league, we really shouldn't care too much about 10th and above, it's all about beating those sides around us and nothing else if we have any chance of staying up

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When are these points deductions going to announced? 

We seem in an odd position, ticket sales appear to exceed anything we've had before at St Mary's so there must be some positivity amongst the fans, or is that just on the back of the play off excitement that gave the whole club a huge lift. 

One thing none of you appear to have accounted for is this year coming to St Mary's will be no walk in the park for visiting teams....the Northam WALL will be on their feet each game giving us the 12th man we much need, away teams will hardly know they have fans in attendance tucked away in the corner out of view. 

I'll go with 15th 

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42 minutes ago, Dellyears said:

The negativity and lack of conviction is with the writer, not the owners or the management. When will our 'supporters' show signs of the confidence the players need, and stop moaning? It gets so tedious. the doom merchants have us relegated before a ball has been kicked.  

Ok,tell me when we last had an exciting and successful transfer window. What you describe as my negativity is actually realism fostered by our recent attempts to strengthen the squad during consecutive windows. 

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4 hours ago, saintant said:

We need at least 4 not just a couple. The current squad is miles off what will be required. Not sure SR are that bothered about trying to avoid relegation back to the Championship. It all feels a bit lacking in any real ambition to survive and consolidate and more a question of let's see what happens - a lack of conviction.

Lack of ambition or working within the constraints of PSR?

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4 hours ago, trousers said:

I've not really thought too hard about it (and therefore I'm likely to be pondering nonsense) but, from a purely commercial basis, could there be a business case for another relegation/promotion cycle to bolster the underlying finances for a more longer term stab at staying in the premier league...?

SR's dream scenario is to be paying championship wages to a squad that then gets sold to CL clubs for the maximum profit.

Dreaming of more Livramentos and Lavia's, while losing a ton of cash by being relegated, and losing a lot more on the way with a dreadful January window.

Like the analysis Rasmus' has done throughout his career, he'll have focused on that player profit, with the others fixable. And we now will have one of the lowest wage budgets. So, they've now got that along the path to where they want.

Generally, you get what you pay for when it comes to PL wages. There are outliers. Chelsea buying a disjointed squad, Man Utd's desperate high value, low resale buys, and Everton's mini squad of 10s.

On the other hand, Brentford and Brighton consolidated from lower starts. Villa realised their low wage bill, on promotion, gave them scope to push the boat out to get well up the table. SR want to operate like that. But with progress tempered by regular, hopefully planned, sales to the big clubs.

 

57 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Lack of ambition or working within the constraints of PSR?

Also to be considered are having to be careful with funds (impact of loans, relegations and contracts to departed managers, and players who haven't departed).

I've put my thoughts on what I think their ambition is above. If that's what they're going for then no point in spending loads of transfer pennies on players with large wages.

Also, there will have been no shortage of offers from clubs and agents. But they have to work within the wage structure. Clubs have found they simply couldn't afford to bring in their targets, not least because of the impact it would have on the contracts of others.

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