hypochondriac Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 3 minutes ago, egg said: So the ioc and iba can't agree, but you expect others on a forum to either agree with you or spell out a definition, for you to disagree with and go round in fucking circles. I'm out. Ta ra. I don't expect anyone to agree. I just asked if someone could define what a woman was. Seems it was an incredibly difficult question seeing as no one has been able to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Their previous disqualification was carried out without due process, and the iba were subsequently stripped of their status. The tests were carried out because one guy at iba "felt suspicious feelings" about them. The test was not conclusive and did not show xy or xx, and the protocol has not been shared. They're just women who happen to a bit masculine in appearance, just like some of the other boxers, and shot putters etc. No-one has proven otherwise, and there is no dispute as far as the Olympics are concerned. They certainly don't deserve the man hate they are getting from the likes of musk and rowling. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, pingpong said: Their previous disqualification was carried out without due process, and the iba were subsequently stripped of their status. The tests were carried out because one guy at iba "felt suspicious feelings" about them. The test was not conclusive and did not show xy or xx, and the protocol has not been shared. They're just women who happen to a bit masculine in appearance, just like some of the other boxers, and shot putters etc. No-one has proven otherwise, and there is no dispute as far as the Olympics are concerned. They certainly don't deserve the man hate they are getting from the likes of musk and rowling. The IBA were never stripped of their status for anything to do with faulty gender tests. If the process for the XY test was flawed then why not follow through with an appeal? That's a slam dunk and easy win surely. It would then be in the public domain with cast iron proof that they are biologically female and they can win loads in compensation to boot. Just imagine that someone makes a false and unverifiable claim that you are a biological male and bars you from the sport you are competing in. You'd be outraged and immediately appeal to the independent body to get it overturned. There's no logical reason why you wouldn't. Unless you didn't want the test to be publicly known. Where is your evidence that the tests were not conclusive? The athletes have the opportunity to appeal to the independent CAS who would be able to show definitively that the tests were not conclusive. Why would you not do so? There is a dispute, like I said this is the first time that the ioc have had to oversee this without deferring to the authorities running the sport. They differ from the IBA because the extent of their testing is checking the gender marker on a passport. There is not a single reason why the IBA would want to continue this fight and actually even damages them given the abuse they are receiving. In contrast the IOC have an awful lot to lose. Edited August 2 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: . I just asked if someone could define what a woman was. Maybe give your definition and let people decide if they want to challenge it ? Edited August 2 by badgerx16 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Oh dear. As more come to light this looks like it could become a real scandal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Hypo wins gold in the hobby horse category. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 27 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: Hypo wins gold in the hobby horse category. It's a subject worth caring about when women are getting punched in the face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: It's a subject worth caring about when women are getting punched in the face. Bless. You don't give a fuck about Palestinian kids but you're all over caring for female boxers. Get a grip you daft cunt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 If anyone has any doubts about the iba impartiality on these 2 women, they've given the Italian 1st round loser gold medal prize money to make up for the fact she was beaten "unfairly". Also worth noting they also tested them a year previous to the last time, and didn't disqualify them then. It seems to be a personal vendetta on the part of kovacs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 37 minutes ago, egg said: Bless. You don't give a fuck about Palestinian kids but you're all over caring for female boxers. Get a grip you daft cunt. You don't have a fucking clue what I care about you mong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 7 minutes ago, pingpong said: If anyone has any doubts about the iba impartiality on these 2 women, they've given the Italian 1st round loser gold medal prize money to make up for the fact she was beaten "unfairly". Also worth noting they also tested them a year previous to the last time, and didn't disqualify them then. It seems to be a personal vendetta on the part of kovacs. What evidence do you have that they did chromosome testing on them in a previous year and didn't disqualify them? What possible reason would the IBA have to fake results against two random athletes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/c51yyd8g3ylo Khelif will get at least a bronze, as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/c51yyd8g3ylo Khelif will get at least a bronze, as it stands. Hope they win. Should bring more attention to the farce and prevent it from happening in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) 6 hours ago, hypochondriac said: What evidence do you have that they did chromosome testing on them in a previous year and didn't disqualify them? What possible reason would the IBA have to fake results against two random athletes? IBAs own statement states that she was tested in Istanbul 2022, after which she was not disqualified, and she was allowed to compete in the worlds in 2023, until she was disqualified "without due process", according to the ioc, who are the only ones who matter when it comes to the Olympics. worth noting she wasn't disqualified until late in the tournament, so they were fine with her in the early rounds. Worth noting the Russian iba official who got his "funny feelings" about her only got them when she defeated a Russian boxer. Worth noting the iba have since been stripped of their status by the ioc for corruption. The second test is far from evidentially strong, and she passed all of the tests before the Olympics without any concerns. She's not transgender, she's not intersex, she is a woman, who happens to have quite high testosterone levels, like most of the other women boxers do. If you watch her box, she is not that good, she is of a similar quality and strength to the other boxers. https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/ Edited August 3 by pingpong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 9 hours ago, pingpong said: IBAs own statement states that she was tested in Istanbul 2022, after which she was not disqualified, and she was allowed to compete in the worlds in 2023, until she was disqualified "without due process", according to the ioc, who are the only ones who matter when it comes to the Olympics. worth noting she wasn't disqualified until late in the tournament, so they were fine with her in the early rounds. Worth noting the Russian iba official who got his "funny feelings" about her only got them when she defeated a Russian boxer. Worth noting the iba have since been stripped of their status by the ioc for corruption. The second test is far from evidentially strong, and she passed all of the tests before the Olympics without any concerns. She's not transgender, she's not intersex, she is a woman, who happens to have quite high testosterone levels, like most of the other women boxers do. If you watch her box, she is not that good, she is of a similar quality and strength to the other boxers. https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/ That's a lie. Khelif was not banned after fighting a Russian. The other fighter who was also banned has never fought a Russian. At the same tournament another fighter prevented a Russian from winning the gold yet was never banned. Why the discrepancy? Why pick on and invent results for a ban for two random fighters for no reason? If there was no due process why would you not appeal it immediately to CAS? Why accept the conclusion of the IBA without an appeal? There is no evidence that the IBA were banned for anything to do with faulty chromosome tests, in fact there's no evidence that any tests of that nature have ever been faulty. "she passed all of the tests before the Olympics" - what does that mean? The IOC regulations themselves state that the only way they check eligibility is if they have a female marker on their passport. So in reality there were no "tests" for the fighter to pass other than the chromosome test from the ibo which they failed. How good they are at boxing is entirely irrelevant and doesn't mean there is no advantage. The Algerian OC stated they were "like Caster Semenya". Caster Semenya is 5-ARD, a DSD that exclusively occurs in biological males. Caster Semenya has fathered children. If - as seems likely due to the chromosome test, the quote from officials at the IBO, WBO and the Algerian OC - that Khelif has the DSD 46XY - 5ARD, then this means that while in their mother's womb, their genitalia failed to develop appropriately. Khelif was wrongly assumed to be female at birth due to malformed male genitals. As a result of DSD, Khelif may have believed they were a girl in early childhood. At puberty, their actual sex would have become blindingly obvious. By now, Khelif knows without question that they are biologically male. Edited August 4 by hypochondriac 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 To be fair, someone should look into Julian Alfred. Two male names for a start and looks like a bloke as well. The clues are all there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: That's a lie. Khalif was not banned after fighting a Russian. The other fighter who was also banned has never fought a Russian. At the same tournament another fighter prevented a Russian from winning the gold yet was never banned. Why the discrepancy? Why pick on and invent results for a ban for two random fighters for no reason? If there was no due process why would you not appeal it immediately to CAS? Why accept the conclusion of the IBA without an appeal? There is no evidence that the IBA were banned for anything to do with faulty chromosome tests, in fact there's no evidence that any tests of that nature have ever been faulty. "she passed all of the tests before the Olympics" - what does that mean? The IOC regulations themselves state that the only way they check eligibility is if they have a female marker on their passport. So in reality there were no "tests" for the fighter to pass other than the chromosome test from the ibo which they failed. How good they are at boxing is entirely irrelevant and doesn't mean there is no advantage. The Algerian OC stated they were "like Caster Semenya". Caster Semenya is 5-ARD, a DSD that exclusively occurs in biological males. Caster Semenya has fathered children. If - as seems likely due to the chromosome test, the quote from officials at the IBO, WBO and the Algerian OC - that Khalif has the DSD 46XY - 5ARD, then this means that while in their mother's womb, their genitalia failed to develop appropriately. Khalif was wrongly assumed to be female at birth due to malformed male genitals. As a result of DSD, Khalif may have believed they were a girl in early childhood. At puberty, their actual sex would have become blindingly obvious. By now, Khelif knows without question that they are biologically male. Obsessed. Any interest in the plight of the Palestinians yet, or you still more concerned about lady boxers getting hit a wee bit harder by another lady boxer? Odd priorities. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On 02/08/2024 at 23:13, badgerx16 said: Maybe give your definition and let people decide if they want to challenge it ? Hypo, when the froth from your moth has settled, any chance of your definition please? Apparently it's easy to define... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Just now, egg said: Hypo, when the froth from your moth has settled, any chance of your definition please? Apparently it's easy to define... Adult female human. It's incredibly easy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 4 minutes ago, egg said: Obsessed. Any interest in the plight of the Palestinians yet, or you still more concerned about lady boxers getting hit a wee bit harder by another lady boxer? Odd priorities. I have the same interest in Palestinians as you do for Israeli hostages. Nothing to do with this topic though. Maybe go and drone on about it on a relevant thread? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 29 minutes ago, egg said: Obsessed. Any interest in the plight of the Palestinians yet, or you still more concerned about lady boxers getting hit a wee bit harder by another lady boxer? Odd priorities. It is weird. It’s almost like certain people are looking for things to get angry about because of their transphobia - again. I think it’s right that each individual sport should decide on the rules, it’s obviously not fair is someone gains an advantage by changing gender - it’s nothing to get all worked up about tho, if the boxing lot have made a mistake I’m sure they will sort it out for the good of their sport. Edited August 4 by aintforever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 4 minutes ago, aintforever said: It is weird. It’s almost like certain people are looking for things to get angry about because of their transphobia - again. I think it’s right that each individual sport should decide on the rules, it’s obviously not fair is someone gains an advantage by changing gender - it’s nothing to get all worked up about tho, if the boxing lot have made a mistake I’m sure they will sort it out for the good of their sport. I'm correcting misinformation on this thread that calls Khelif a biological woman. If that were true there would be no controversy. Khelif has not changed their gender, they are biologically male as I've explained with a DSD. Nothing to do with gender. The "mistake" as you call it robs women in sport and has the potential to cause serious injury or even death. It's dangerous and deeply unfair to women. That's why it's worth discussing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Khelif has not changed their gender, they are biologically male as I've explained with a DSD. Nothing to do with gender. And yet there is no actual evidence of this available anywhere, only speculation. But you continue to state it as absolute fact and flatly refuse to accept that you might be wrong. Why is that, exactly? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: And yet there is no actual evidence of this available anywhere, only speculation. But you continue to state it as absolute fact and flatly refuse to accept that you might be wrong. Why is that, exactly? The evidence is the chromosome test and the quotes from the IBA and WBO officials as well as the Algerian Olympic commission who stated Khelif was like Semenya. As I'm sure you know, the IBA are unable to release the medicakcrecords without permission because they are confidential. For it not to be the case both officials woukd have to be lying and the official from Khelif's own federation. If it's a load of rubbish then why is Khelif not demanding the medical tests from the IBA are not made public at once to prove they aren't credible and faked? Why did Khelif not appeal to CAS and get this slur on their name publicly refused so there could be no doubt? Edited August 4 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 58 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Adult female human. It's incredibly easy. Define please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Just now, egg said: Define please. Hold on. You asked for a definition and are now asking for further definitions of words. If I explain that an adult is someone over the age of 18 will you then ask me to define what age means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: you flatly refuse to accept that you might be wrong. Why is that, exactly? To be fair to Hypo, that's how most human beings go about debating certain topics... Most debates on here go the same way... i.e. "I'm right, you're wrong"... "No, you're wrong, I'm right"... Etc etc. I'm always accused of "sitting on the fence" on here, but all I'm doing is keeping an open mind and acknowledging that there are always more than one way of viewing a situation rather than than the black and white world of 'right' and 'wrong'. I think Hypo's dogmatic approach to debating is much more normal and common than my approach. I rarely feel the need to prove that I'm 'right' and someone else is 'wrong'. Most debates are too futile for my liking. I guess life would be dull if everyone was as open minded as me though... Edited August 4 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 To me this conversation just highlights the harm done to society by the whole umbrella acronym of LGBTAIQ+. This topic has pretty much nothing to do with anybody of an LGB sexuality or anybody suffering from gender dysphoria but it seems to be the same arguments going round and round again. Khelif seems to have attracted much more attention from both sides of the argument than I ever remember for Caster Semenya and that probably isn't helped by having the likes of Leah Thomas 'identifying' as being on the women's swim team, even though they're two completely different issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: I have the same interest in Palestinians as you do for Israeli hostages. Nothing to do with this topic though. Maybe go and drone on about it on a relevant thread? It has everything to do with it. You're content to see Muslims woman and children killed and maimed daily in Palestine, but uber passionate to prove to strangers on a forum that a Muslim woman is a bloke and shouldn't be allowed to box against other woman. And you call SoG weird, and label him all sorts. Fwiw, I have always felt for the plight of the victims of of the Israel / Palestine conflict on both sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 5 minutes ago, trousers said: To be fair to Hypo, that's how most human beings go about debating certain topics... Most debates on here go the same way... i.e. "I'm right, you're wrong"... "No, you're wrong, I'm right"... Etc etc. I'm always accused of "sitting on the fence" on here, but all I'm doing is keeping an open mind and acknowledging that there are always more than one way of viewing a situation rather than than the black and white world of 'right' and 'wrong'. I think Hypo's dogmatic approach to debating is much more normal and common than my approach. I rarely feel the need to prove that I'm 'right' and someone else is 'wrong'. Most debates are too futile for my liking. I guess life would be dull if everyone was as open minded as me though... Classic trousers here, sitting on the fence 🤣 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Hold on. You asked for a definition and are now asking for further definitions of words. If I explain that an adult is someone over the age of 18 will you then ask me to define what age means? Hold on. You've said that defining a woman is easy. You've been asked to define. You haven't. Crack on please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 5 minutes ago, egg said: It has everything to do with it. You're content to see Muslims woman and children killed and maimed daily in Palestine, but uber passionate to prove to strangers on a forum that a Muslim woman is a bloke and shouldn't be allowed to box against other woman. And you call SoG weird, and label him all sorts. Fwiw, I have always felt for the plight of the victims of of the Israel / Palestine conflict on both sides. "you're content to see Muslim women and children killed and aimed daily in Palestine" you cretin you've got no evidence for that you're just eternally butthurt that I don't agree with you about Israel and have some sympathy for their aims and their people. I'm fully aware of your stance on the issue and we disagree. What the fuck does someone being Muslim have to do with anything? And I have no problem with any woman from any religion boxing other women. The problem is that this person is not one. Take it elsewhere. Edited August 4 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 4 minutes ago, egg said: Hold on. You've said that defining a woman is easy. You've been asked to define. You haven't. Crack on please. I did define it. It was easy. I literally defined it. Your stance is the same as asking for the definition of hungry, me saying "feeling or showing the need for food" and then you coming back asking me for a definition of food. Nonsensical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 16 hours ago, hypochondriac said: It's a subject worth caring about when women are getting punched in the face. They are being punched in the face by other woman and have made that choice. What is your problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Just now, sadoldgit said: They are being punched in the face by other woman and have made that choice. What is your problem? My problem is that the other person is not a woman. They are being punched in the face by a biological man. No surprise that you'd be OK with something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 21 minutes ago, trousers said: To be fair to Hypo, that's how most human beings go about debating certain topics... Most debates on here go the same way... i.e. "I'm right, you're wrong"... "No, you're wrong, I'm right"... Etc etc. I'm always accused of "sitting on the fence" on here, but all I'm doing is keeping an open mind and acknowledging that there are always more than one way of viewing a situation rather than than the black and white world of 'right' and 'wrong'. I think Hypo's dogmatic approach to debating is much more normal and common than my approach. I rarely feel the need to prove that I'm 'right' and someone else is 'wrong'. Most debates are too futile for my liking. I guess life would be dull if everyone was as open minded as me though... I completely disagree with you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I did define it. It was easy. I literally defined it. Your stance is the same as asking for the definition of hungry, me saying "feeling or showing the need for food" and then you coming back asking me for a definition of food. Nonsensical. You haven't. You've copped out. If a person has tits and a fanny, but male chromosomes and/or hormones, are they a man or woman by your own unspecified definition? Where's your evidence yo support your belief that this woman is a bloke? Seems to me that your transphobia and/or islamaphobia though is driving your perpetual drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 22 minutes ago, trousers said: To be fair to Hypo, that's how most human beings go about debating certain topics... Most debates on here go the same way... i.e. "I'm right, you're wrong"... "No, you're wrong, I'm right"... Etc etc. I'm always accused of "sitting on the fence" on here, but all I'm doing is keeping an open mind and acknowledging that there are always more than one way of viewing a situation rather than than the black and white world of 'right' and 'wrong'. I think Hypo's dogmatic approach to debating is much more normal and common than my approach. I rarely feel the need to prove that I'm 'right' and someone else is 'wrong'. Most debates are too futile for my liking. I guess life would be dull if everyone was as open minded as me though... I take your point though I'm not sure that's entirely my stance in this case since we aren't dealing with matters of opinion here. Yes some of the information is incomplete but that's due to medical records being confidential and the is entirely the choice of the athlete not to challenge the rulings or make the findings public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: "you're content to see Muslim women and children killed and aimed daily in Palestine" you cretin you've got no evidence for that you're just eternally butthurt that I don't agree with you about Israel and have some sympathy for their aims and their people. I'm fully aware of your stance on the issue and we disagree. What the fuck does someone being Muslim have to do with anything? And I have no problem with any woman from any religion boxing other women. The problem is that this person is not one. Take it elsewhere. The woman you are very angry about is Muslim. The Palestinians you are happy to see killed and maimed are Muslim. You really can't see your own pattern? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, egg said: You haven't. You've copped out. If a person has tits and a fanny, but male chromosomes and/or hormones, are they a man or woman by your own unspecified definition? Where's your evidence yo support your belief that this woman is a bloke? Seems to me that your transphobia and/or islamaphobia though is driving your perpetual drivel. You're just asking questions that I've already answered. Plenty of evidence that the person has XY chromosomes and is therefore a biological man just like Semenya who fathered children. Go back and read my many posts on the issue. I repeat myself in response to you and then you criticise me for writing the same thing repeatedly. Transphobia and islamophobia are ridiculous nonsense terms employed by oddball like you to try to silence legitimate criticism. The fact this person is a Muslim has no relevance to anything and in fact I was not even aware of it until you just brought it up. Maybe you need to consider your own "islamophobia". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, egg said: The woman you are very angry about is Muslim. The Palestinians you are happy to see killed and maimed are Muslim. You really can't see your own pattern? And you accuse me of trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 24 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: To me this conversation just highlights the harm done to society by the whole umbrella acronym of LGBTAIQ+. This topic has pretty much nothing to do with anybody of an LGB sexuality or anybody suffering from gender dysphoria but it seems to be the same arguments going round and round again. Khelif seems to have attracted much more attention from both sides of the argument than I ever remember for Caster Semenya and that probably isn't helped by having the likes of Leah Thomas 'identifying' as being on the women's swim team, even though they're two completely different issues. I agree. I think it's fair to say that people are slightly more educated than they were when Semenya started out and are therefore less tolerant of this sort of thing occurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: You're just asking questions that I've already answered. Plenty of evidence that the person has XY chromosomes and is therefore a biological man just like Semenya who fathered children. Go back and read my many posts on the issue. I repeat myself in response to you and then you criticise me for writing the same thing repeatedly. Transphobia and islamophobia are ridiculous nonsense terms employed by oddball like you to try to silence legitimate criticism. The fact this person is a Muslim has no relevance to anything and in fact I was not even aware of it until you just brought it up. Maybe you need to consider your own "islamophobia". Links to evidence that this woman is a proven man please. Thank you. Your posts suggest to me that you are transphobic and islamaphobic. I'm entitled to that opinion. You label others as all sorts - don't whine when you get a bit back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: My problem is that the other person is not a woman. They are being punched in the face by a biological man. No surprise that you'd be OK with something like that. Your problem is the same as it always is. You hate Muslims. Egg, myself and others have made it perfectly clear that we care about the innocent victims of both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict but it is clear from your posts that you don’t give a stuff about dead Muslims. What was you recent phrase? Another one under the rubble? Going back over your posts over the years it is a given that you get particularly animated over issues concerning Muslims. This is a double whammy for you as you have clear issues with gender identity too. A Muslim with alleged gender issues, it must be like Christmas and your birthday at the same time. Why exactly would I be happy with a man hitting a woman in the face? You call me weird, you need to think about what you post and why that is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 6 minutes ago, egg said: Links to evidence that this woman is a proven man please. Thank you. Your posts suggest to me that you are transphobic and islamaphobic. I'm entitled to that opinion. You label others as all sorts - don't whine when you get a bit back. You can call me whatever you like. I can also think you're a bit of a prick and an odd bloke to throw a massive tantrum that has lasted for months now all because I supported the Israelis against terrorists and it upset you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 This person had been beaten 9 times before by being hit in the head by women. Should we be concerned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: You can call me whatever you like. I can also think you're a bit of a prick and an odd bloke to throw a massive tantrum that has lasted for months now all because I supported the Israelis against terrorists and it upset you. You don’t just support the Israelis against terrorists. You support anyone or anything that is anti Muslim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I take your point though I'm not sure that's entirely my stance in this case since we aren't dealing with matters of opinion here. Yes some of the information is incomplete but that's due to medical records being confidential and the is entirely the choice of the athlete not to challenge the rulings or make the findings public. I guess what I'm getting at is that if I'd come on here and said "That Algerian boxer is male" and others then said: "no, she's a woman" I would've then said: "ok, fair enough, I disagree but that's fine" and the conversation would've ended there rather than turn into a futile 17 day debate... (The latter being fine, of course, if that's what floats people's boat) Edited August 4 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, sadoldgit said: This person had been beaten 9 times before by being hit in the head by women. Should we be concerned? Being a shit boxer with male advantages doesn't mean they aren't male. I'd lose to the top female sprinters it doesn't make me not a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: You can call me whatever you like. I can also think you're a bit of a prick and an odd bloke to throw a massive tantrum that has lasted for months now all because I supported the Israelis against terrorists and it upset you. No tantrum from me poppet. I just think your moral compass points in the direction or transphobic/islamaphobic/hypocritical cunt, and I don't mind pointing it out. Anyway, enjoy your day spent trying to convince yourself and a few strangers that a woman is a bloke. Feck knows why you would, but each to their own. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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