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saintant

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1 minute ago, CSA96 said:

Not sure how he decided this was the guy to try and pass to in this situation

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He panics - pure and simple. If you play this system and your goalkeeper panics you're in big trouble.

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Gloucester Saint

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Good performance until that absolute shitshow from McCarthy. This game has gone now but tomorrow and Monday has to be about getting a first choice keeper in. It’s not difficult, practically anybody with a pulse woyld be an upgrade on Alex and Baz, and if Martin doesn’t trust the scouts (understandable) then give Mendes or one of other agents a ring, I’m sure they’ve got a keeper looking for a PL opportunity in their books who are at least passable.

I don’t know if the hesitancy to get a first choice keeper is the manager or board. If it’s the former, the club might need to do what Cortese did over Nigel’s head by getting Boruc in.

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6 minutes ago, saintant said:

If he needs someone to tell him where to play it he should be sat at home doing a fucking crossword.

Called teamwork innit?

Yes he should've hoofed it into touch and then berated his defenders but they've been trained to play it out and he can't do it, everyone knows 🤷

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We’ve got an extra man so why play high risk possession in your own box when you could just clear your lines and go win the ball back higher up the pitch?  Crazy and will be the death of us this season with our current keeper. 

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12 minutes ago, Master Bates said:

There isn't even a pass to make there. I've got no idea what he's seen there. 

He should never have got a new contract, he was 3rd choice for most of last season. It is neglect from the club to not sign a goalkeeper after the shocker of a preseason he had. 

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1 minute ago, danjosaint said:

Because Mr stubborn won't change, ironically when he did last 3 games we looked more solid 

What are you about. In those games we changed to 5-3-2 (which we're still playing), but we still played out from the back

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9 minutes ago, benjii said:

Well, fantastic performance. BUT.....

 

And anyone saying we overplayed or its "Russball" is a fucking mong. We've just taken the piss out of a top 6 challenger at their place for 45 minutes.

We’re 1 down against 10 men.

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9 minutes ago, Hopper said:

You can’t blame Martin or the rest of the team. The game to that point was perfectly played. That’s just fucking awful from Macca. Need a new keeper NOW.

He's the only one to blame for suicidal tactics. Expecting McCarthy to be a playmaker from the back is stupid. The tactics are 100% on RM. 

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The people dumping on Martin after one error ... gimme a break.  If there was no risk to the strategy everyone would do it.    It's his philosophy that have made the rest of the half look sensationally good.  And... the game's only half-way done. Our strategy tires out opposition teams even when there's 11 men. With 10.. I think there's every chance we still win this.  

 

(cue three more giveaways and the most embarrassingly 4-0 loss of all time.) lol. 

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Pope is just as hopeless passing out so he never does it. McCarthy hasn't even got the intelligence to realise that he can't do it either. Martin needs to forget McCarthy passing out if there are opponents close and do what Pope does, hit it long and win it back and play

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Right.... Time for some positivity Trousers... We were the dominate team for c.90% of the first half. I'm going for an Archer equaliser on 78 minutes and 1 point in the bag from a game most of us thought we would get tonked in.... COYR!!

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3 minutes ago, saintant said:

He panics - pure and simple. If you play this system and your goalkeeper panics you're in big trouble.

It's really indefensible. He literally could have played it anywhere but there. That was literally the only player in shot that was marked up. Lumley Vs Forest surely. 

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7 minutes ago, NewYorkSaint said:

Sickening for McCarthy. I think Russell needs to give him permission to clear long for the second half.  We can wear them down and still draw or win this.

Needs to grow a set and say, nope, I'm launching this. RM can tell me off later.

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1 minute ago, pingpong said:

We miss bazunu, no doubt, but this is very promising for January when he is hopefully back.

And finally, after decades of watching, we finally have a player who knows to go down when you get headbutted

I think you are going to be disappointed. Bazunu has been statistically the worst shot stopper in the PL and 2nd worst in the Championship. His passing is certainly better than Mccarthy but there were plenty of cockups on his watch also. 

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Just now, egg said:

He's the only one to blame for suicidal tactics. Expecting McCarthy to be a playmaker from the back is stupid. The tactics are 100% on RM. 

You can’t blame him for McCarthy fucking up like that.

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4 minutes ago, NewYorkSaint said:

Really interesting strategy by Martin that half. KWP playing narrow... more midfield than wing-back.  And incredibly effective in that position. Overall, we've really stepped up our passing game. Fast, bolder, a lot more long passes included in there. It looks incredibly good.   Aribo playing better than I've ever seen him. We can't be scared out of this by the occasional mistake.  

Got to be creating more chances though especially against 10 men.

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11 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Look, we know McCarthy can't play it out from the back like a modern keeper. We adjusted for that at the end of last season. We need to do that again now and that includes not passing it back to him when that's the riskier option than turning around and passing forwards. 

Stephens should not escape blame there. 

There’s not being able to play out form the back and that. That was a routine back pass a school age keeper should be able to deal with. It was a lazy pass out to a player not a postion to receive it. Absolutely pathetic 

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3 minutes ago, egg said:

He's the only one to blame for suicidal tactics. Expecting McCarthy to be a playmaker from the back is stupid. The tactics are 100% on RM. 

Sorry but you dont have to be a 'playmaker' to be able to play a simple 5 yard pass. He could've passed it anywhere but there. It's just a really, really bad mistake on his part.

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3 minutes ago, NewYorkSaint said:

The people dumping on Martin after one error ... gimme a break.  If there was no risk to the strategy everyone would do it.    It's his philosophy that have made the rest of the half look sensationally good.  And... the game's only half-way done. Our strategy tires out opposition teams even when there's 11 men. With 10.. I think there's every chance we still win this.  

 

(cue three more giveaways and the most embarrassingly 4-0 loss of all time.) lol. 

Nobody's dumping on him after 1 error. We're highlighting the fact McCarthy has made that exact mistake in EVERY pre-season game and yet we continue to try it expecting different results. We know he can't do it. We shouldn't be expecting him to do it.

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1 minute ago, the colonel said:

What will the others be saying to McCarthy in the changing room?

Never mind, keep playing the same way. Trust the process or some such pony. I’d imagine he’d get more of a bollocking if he hoofed it forward most times he got it. 
 

We play  this way & will continue to play this way regardless of any fuck ups. 

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1 minute ago, NewYorkSaint said:

The people dumping on Martin after one error ... gimme a break.  If there was no risk to the strategy everyone would do it.    It's his philosophy that have made the rest of the half look sensationally good.  And... the game's only half-way done. Our strategy tires out opposition teams even when there's 11 men. With 10.. I think there's every chance we still win this.  

 

(cue three more giveaways and the most embarrassingly 4-0 loss of all time.) lol. 

One error?

This is not the first time for Martin. How does scoring nil make a half look ‘sensationally good’?

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1 minute ago, lambtiss said:

I think you are going to be disappointed. Bazunu has been statistically the worst shot stopper in the PL and 2nd worst in the Championship. His passing is certainly better than Mccarthy but there were plenty of cockups on his watch also. 

Aye. McCarthy actually played well in the first half when he was doing 'normal' goalkeeper type stuff ...

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7 minutes ago, Long Shot said:

Martin has to take full responsibility for this. 
Every Saints fan and I mean ever predicted this. 

Unreal bed wetting. Talk about a laughable agenda to be trotting this shit out in the first game of the season when we've outplayed a champions league contender for 44min.

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1 minute ago, aintforever said:

You can’t blame him for McCarthy fucking up like that.

Of course you can. He picks the team and also this week said AM was good enough for the way we play when it’s obvious to everyone he’s not. 

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3 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Sorry but you do t have to be a 'playmaker' to be able to play a simple 5 yard pass. He could've passed it anywhere but there. It's just a really, really bad mistake on his part.

You don't have to play those passes as a keeper. If he had authority to clear his lines, that goal ain't happening. Yep, McCarthy fucked up, but he fucked up playing suicide football. Clear your lines and then win the ball higher up the park. I'm not letting McCarthy or RM off the hook for that. 

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1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Sugawara off for Edozie...? WHAT?

Got to be a back four change, with THB to right back I would assume.

Yeah I assume so. No need to play a back 5 against ten men. 

I'm expecting KWP to go to RB and Stephens to LB.

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1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Sugawara off for Edozie...? WHAT?

Got to be a back four change, with THB to right back I would assume.

Odd with Stephens on a booking and Suga been excellent. Knick perhaps? KWP to right back, Stephens left back?

Hopefully Edozie can have a blinder...

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3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

There’s not being able to play out form the back and that. That was a routine back pass a school age keeper should be able to deal with. It was a lazy pass out to a player not a postion to receive it. Absolutely pathetic 

I agree, but we KNOW he is like that so just don't put him under that kind of pressure.

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