Solving the Immigration Problem

[Fan The Flames]

32 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Does it no instruct to kill all infadels - I'm not saying that 9 year old girls are infadels, but it's not my interpretation of who is what that is in question.

And here we go. Some loon mentions that the killer was instructed by Islam and then the discussion innocently morphs into is Islam evil. It's what the loons want 

Do we know if he's a Muslim or if it was an Islamic attack. Do we know if it was because of mental health issues or ASD. We don't know much at the moment and that allows the loons to fill the void with bollocks like the met police are suppressing the real reason, it's conspiracy theory stuff.

[Fan The Flames]

13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

That isn't what I meant by the narrative. From some, it is that anyone who has a problem with the levels of immigration is a far right hooligan. 

There are genuine issues and there are a bunch of scumbags looking for trouble. That does not mean that all those who have a problem with immigration are the latter. 

That's fine, there are issues with immigration that need to be worked through. But plenty of people don't seem to be able to have a problem with immigration without having a problem with immigrants.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Fan The Flames said:

And here we go. Some loon mentions that the killer was instructed by Islam and then the discussion innocently morphs into is Islam evil. It's what the loons want 

Do we know if he's a Muslim or if it was an Islamic attack. Do we know if it was because of mental health issues or ASD. We don't know much at the moment and that allows the loons to fill the void with bollocks like the met police are suppressing the real reason, it's conspiracy theory stuff.

I agree with your last bit. Regarding your first bit, I think there's a reasonable debate to be had about Islam- though not necessarily relevant to this case. At the very least a significant number of people interpret Islam in a manner which is very difficult to integrate with western liberal society. 

[aintforever]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

That isn't what I meant by the narrative. From some, it is that anyone who has a problem with the levels of immigration is a far right hooligan. 

There are genuine issues and there are a bunch of scumbags looking for trouble. That does not mean that all those who have a problem with immigration are the latter. 

But Kier Starmer was specifically talking about those who are intent on violent disorder, not people who have a problem with the levels of immigration.

He has repeatedly said himself that immigration levels are too high - how does that fit with your 'narrative'?

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Fan The Flames said:

That's fine, there are issues with immigration that need to be worked through. But plenty of people don't seem to be able to have a problem with immigration without having a problem with immigrants.

I think it's reasonable to have a problem with some immigrants. I think we should be doing more to make Britain more of a hostile place for illegal immigration. Arguably you could make legal immigration easier and illegal immigration tougher to discourage it. 

My issue isn't with immigration, it's that we have no control over people coming in and the inherent unfairness of mainly young men coming on boats and effectively jumping the queue. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, aintforever said:

But Kier Starmer was specifically talking about those who are intent on violent disorder, not people who have a problem with the levels of immigration.

He has repeatedly said himself that immigration levels are too high - how does that fit with your 'narrative'?

The legitimate concerns of the native population are routinely dismissed by the media and sometimes members of the Labour Party as those held by the far right and hooligans. It's one reason why nothing has been done and immigration continues to rise. 

[Fan The Flames]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

The legitimate concerns of the native population are routinely dismissed by the media and sometimes members of the Labour Party as those held by the far right and hooligans. It's one reason why nothing has been done and immigration continues to rise. 

What media?

And only the Labour party that haven't been in power for a month yet, what about the Tories where they attending to the concerns of the native population for the last 14 years?

[Fan The Flames]

Let's get one thing right the riots over the last few nights have been carried out by right wing thugs. 

[badgerx16]

Just now, Fan The Flames said:

What media?

And only the Labour party that haven't been in power for a month yet, what about the Tories where they attending to the concerns of the native population for the last 14 years?

Surely you can't be referring to "the party of law and ordet' ?

[badgerx16]

Just now, Fan The Flames said:

Let's get one thing right the riots over the last few nights have been carried out by right wing thugs. 

And Farage is making the most of it.

[Fan The Flames]

14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I agree with your last bit. Regarding your first bit, I think there's a reasonable debate to be had about Islam- though not necessarily relevant to this case. At the very least a significant number of people interpret Islam in a manner which is very difficult to integrate with western liberal society. 

A significant number of that significant number don't live in the West or the UK.

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

What media?

And only the Labour party that haven't been in power for a month yet, what about the Tories where they attending to the concerns of the native population for the last 14 years?

Yes the tories were terrible and did nothing. I'm not sure why you were under the impression that I thought differently? 

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

A significant number of that significant number don't live in the West or the UK.

Sure. What's your point?

[Weston Super Saint]

33 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

And here we go. Some loon mentions that the killer was instructed by Islam and then the discussion innocently morphs into is Islam evil. It's what the loons want 

Do we know if he's a Muslim or if it was an Islamic attack. Do we know if it was because of mental health issues or ASD. We don't know much at the moment and that allows the loons to fill the void with bollocks like the met police are suppressing the real reason, it's conspiracy theory stuff.

In the absence of any concrete evidence one way or the other, there will always be speculation.

There are obviously a lot of ifs, buts and maybes, however, the killings could have been carried out by someone who has been radicalised.

It's not a massive leap to accept that that is something that 'could' have happened.  Equally it could have been carried out by an absolute loon hearing voices.  What is certain is that normal, sane, reasonably intelligent people don't go and kill kids in a dance class with a knife, so searching for a 'reason' behind the killing shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

[Fan The Flames]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes the tories were terrible and did nothing. I'm not sure why you were under the impression that I thought differently? 

Because, disingenuously, you only mentioned Labour in the post.

[Fan The Flames]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

In the absence of any concrete evidence one way or the other, there will always be speculation.

There are obviously a lot of ifs, buts and maybes, however, the killings could have been carried out by someone who has been radicalised.

It's not a massive leap to accept that that is something that 'could' have happened.  Equally it could have been carried out by an absolute loon hearing voices.  What is certain is that normal, sane, reasonably intelligent people don't go and kill kids in a dance class with a knife, so searching for a 'reason' behind the killing shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

I prefer to wait for facts and not feed the cunts.

I believe Rwanda is 2% Muslim, btw.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Because, disingenuously, you only mentioned Labour in the post.

Because Labour are the ones in power and because they are the ones who made the recent statement. Utterly bizarre that you think failing to mention the tories in every post is disingenuous. They have been shit, everyone knows they have been hsit and it's been pointed out all the time. It's why they were rightly booted out. If it makes you feel better maybe I can copy and paste this reply every time I make a post about Labour so you don't feel it's disingenuous. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

23 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

My issue isn't with immigration, it's that we have no control over people coming in and the inherent unfairness of mainly young men coming on boats and effectively jumping the queue. 

You’re talking about approx 5k illegal & 1.2 million legal migrants (gross) the past year. So we already have control over the vast vast majority of immigrants. The inconvenient truth is that high immigration numbers was policy for the last Government & will be policy for this Government. Illegal immigration is an issue because we don’t know who we’re letting in, but in the grand scheme of things, it’s irrelevant to any serious debate about numbers. 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I prefer to wait for facts and not feed the cunts.

I believe Rwanda is 2% Muslim, btw.

How Muslim or not Rwanda is, is completely irrelevant.  The person in question lived in England.  There would have been plenty of access to any number of religions / sects / cults etc.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You’re talking about approx 5k illegal & 1.2 million legal migrants (gross) the past year. So we already have control over the vast vast majority of immigrants. The inconvenient truth is that high immigration numbers was policy for the last Government & will be policy for this Government. Illegal immigration is an issue because we don’t know who we’re letting in, but in the grand scheme of things, it’s irrelevant to any serious debate about numbers. 

Exactly this.

UK PLC cannot function without immigration.

[Lord Duckhunter]

18 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Exactly this.

UK PLC cannot function without immigration.

But they don’t say this.

They say it needs to come down but they deliberately move on to illegal immigration. Starmer did this during the election, said it was too high & his remedy was to “smash the gangs” & send Bangladeshi’s home. Great, brilliant, even if he’s successful  he’ll cut it by a few thousand. He can’t credibly say “job done, it’s gone down from 685,000 to 680,000 net” and expect people to congratulate him. They’re taking us for fools & the result will be more riots, more division & the development of an extreme party that’ll make Reform look like a bunch of pinkos. They need to start rebalancing the economy to rely less on immigrants (a fucking long process) or they need to start making the case for immigration & explaining the high numbers. Closing down the debate, lying, labelling opponents “far right” ain’t going to cut it as a long term strategy. 

Edited August 2 by Lord Duckhunter

[pingpong]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

More Social Media Racism:

So assuming that our retired bissy is the impeccable source that im sure they must be, nothing to do with immigration then, or his (Christian) parents,  it seems like he was radicalised here very recently, so not an imported issue.

[Fan The Flames]

54 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Because Labour are the ones in power and because they are the ones who made the recent statement. Utterly bizarre that you think failing to mention the tories in every post is disingenuous. They have been shit, everyone knows they have been hsit and it's been pointed out all the time. It's why they were rightly booted out. If it makes you feel better maybe I can copy and paste this reply every time I make a post about Labour so you don't feel it's disingenuous. 

It's not bizarre, you're talking about 'narrative' in general terms, wide open general terms. You mention The Media, not the Mail or The Guardian or GB News, just The Media. Then you narrow it down to specifically mention Labour, out of all the political parties in the UK. But when prompted you say 'oh yeah the Tories as well'. 

I see you Hypo, always have 😀

[Fan The Flames]

14 minutes ago, pingpong said:

So assuming that our retired bissy is the impeccable source that im sure they must be, nothing to do with immigration then, or his (Christian) parents,  it seems like he was radicalised here very recently, so not an imported issue.

I love the way the loons try to pin it on Sadiq Khan's Met Police.

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

It's not bizarre, you're talking about 'narrative' in general terms, wide open general terms. You mention The Media, not the Mail or The Guardian or GB News, just The Media. Then you narrow it down to specifically mention Labour, out of all the political parties in the UK. But when prompted you say 'oh yeah the Tories as well'. 

I see you Hypo, always have 😀

Incorrect as usual. I was talking about a narrative from different media outlets and separately I was also talking about labour which is relevant because they are the party in power who recently did a big press conference to talk about the far right. 

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, pingpong said:

So assuming that our retired bissy is the impeccable source that im sure they must be, nothing to do with immigration then, or his (Christian) parents,  it seems like he was radicalised here very recently, so not an imported issue.

Not sure it's true but if it is he could well have been radicalised by online material or from a migrant for all we know so it very much coukd be an imported issue. Not convinced this is correct in this case though like I said. The police wouldn't have a reason to lie about it not being terrorism related because it would just come out if it was and the reaction would be worse. 

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

How Muslim or not Rwanda is, is completely irrelevant.  The person in question lived in England.  There would have been plenty of access to any number of religions / sects / cults etc.

Would you be asking is Islam evil if he was the son of Chilean immigrants. Don't answer, you probably would 😆

[Fan The Flames]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Incorrect as usual. I was talking about a narrative from different media outlets and separately I was also talking about labour which is relevant because they are the party in power who recently did a big press conference to talk about the far right. 

Blah blah blah, I can hear you stuttering as you scrabble around for an answer.

[Fan The Flames]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Not sure it's true but if it is he could well have been radicalised by online material or from a migrant for all we know so it very much coukd be an imported issue. Not convinced this is correct in this case though like I said. The police wouldn't have a reason to lie about it not being terrorism related because it would just come out if it was and the reaction would be worse. 

Mention how the loons could be right, just to put it out there. Then mention that maybe its not the case, just to look reasonable. Classic move.

[Weston Super Saint]

47 minutes ago, pingpong said:

So assuming that our retired bissy is the impeccable source that im sure they must be, nothing to do with immigration then, or his (Christian) parents,  it seems like he was radicalised here very recently, so not an imported issue.

If the bissy is correct, then it's definitely an immigration problem as he claims he was born in Cardiff  

[Weston Super Saint]

26 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Would you be asking is Islam evil if he was the son of Chilean immigrants. Don't answer, you probably would 😆

Absolutely not.  I'd have to wait for ALL the facts and a FULL and thorough report first.

[Guided Missile]

In the absence of facts, consider this potential scenario, plucked from social media:

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How did a boy born and raised in Britain become so consumed with venomous hate?

Axel’s disturbing journey was evident early on. His expulsion from school for carrying a knife was not just a red flag but a glaring alarm that went unheeded. His chilling declaration that a genocide, akin to the horrors of Rwanda, could (solve Britain’s problems) should have been a wake-up call to all around him. Instead, these ominous signs were ignored. Apparently, he was known to social services and the police so how did they allow his sinister thoughts to fester and grow.

Born into a household dominated by martial discipline, Axel’s life would have been heavily influenced by his father, a karate expert whose existence revolved around fighting and training. This wasn't just a sport or a hobby—it is a relentless, unforgiving lifestyle. Did Axel absorb this ethos of combat, translating it into his own warped sense of justice and retribution? It seems likely. Reports confirm that Axel was trained in martial arts, possibly using these skills with lethal precision against his innocent victims.

The community is left reeling, grappling with the aftermath of Axel's rampage. The sheer brutality of his actions, especially against children, has created a sense of profound sorrow and outrage. As the investigation delves deeper, we must confront the uncomfortable truths about what drove Axel to such extremes. Was it the intense pressure and expectations from his upbringing? A crisis of identity and belonging in a land where he felt perpetually marginalized? Or was it a toxic cocktail of radical ideologies and violent media that twisted his young mind?

What we do know is this. Axel’s parents were given a home in Britain, a chance to build a life away from the shadows of conflict. Regardless of how tough Axel's upbringing might have been, it does not excuse the premeditated and heinous plan he carried out. This act of violence is a brutal reminder that no amount of hardship justifies the taking of innocent lives. Axel Muganwa Rudakubana's actions have forever marred the lives of those he attacked and shattered the peace of a community. This is a battle for the soul of our society, and we can not afford to lose.

His biggest influence, as with most young men, was his father. He left Rwanda around the time of the genocide against the Tutsis and moderate Hutus. More than one million people are estimated to have perished and an estimated 150,000 to 250,000 women were also raped. Imagine this guys value system and what he may have instilled in his son. Like the Manchester bombers and their family, it will be years and a public inquiry to find out. In the meantime Starmers main culprits are the "far right". I have a feeling the father witnessed worse things in Rwanda than the riots we saw in the UK last night. 

[badgerx16]

18 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Absolutely not.  I'd have to wait for ALL the facts and a FULL and thorough report first.

But how would you know the facts were FACTS ? How can you trust the MSM or the apparatus of the Deep State ?

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

In the absence of facts, consider this potential scenario, plucked from social media:

His biggest influence, as with most young men, was his father. He left Rwanda around the time of the genocide against the Tutsis and moderate Hutus. More than one million people are estimated to have perished and an estimated 150,000 to 250,000 women were also raped. Imagine this guys value system and what he may have instilled in his son. Like the Manchester bombers and their family, it will be years and a public inquiry to find out. In the meantime Starmers main culprits are the "far right". I have a feeling the father witnessed worse things in Rwanda than the riots we saw in the UK last night. 

Allegations, suppositions, and conjecture presented as fact to the gullible.

Edited August 2 by badgerx16

[Fan The Flames]

24 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

In the absence of facts, consider this potential scenario, plucked from social media:

His biggest influence, as with most young men, was his father. He left Rwanda around the time of the genocide against the Tutsis and moderate Hutus. More than one million people are estimated to have perished and an estimated 150,000 to 250,000 women were also raped. Imagine this guys value system and what he may have instilled in his son. Like the Manchester bombers and their family, it will be years and a public inquiry to find out. In the meantime Starmers main culprits are the "far right". I have a feeling the father witnessed worse things in Rwanda than the riots we saw in the UK last night. 

Can you stop doing this please. Three little children have died and the others traumatised. This isn't a game.

[Turkish]

5 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

Can you stop doing this please. Three little children have died and the others traumatised. This isn't a game.

Agreed. Whist we’re at it can we also stop making it about the far right.

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

In the absence of facts, consider this potential scenario, plucked from social media:

His biggest influence, as with most young men, was his father. He left Rwanda around the time of the genocide against the Tutsis and moderate Hutus. More than one million people are estimated to have perished and an estimated 150,000 to 250,000 women were also raped. Imagine this guys value system and what he may have instilled in his son. Like the Manchester bombers and their family, it will be years and a public inquiry to find out. In the meantime Starmers main culprits are the "far right". I have a feeling the father witnessed worse things in Rwanda than the riots we saw in the UK last night. 

There are plenty of facts pointing to you being an absolute cunt.

[Guided Missile]

15 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

Can you stop doing this please. Three little children have died and the others traumatised. This isn't a game.

You're right, it's not a game. As I have posted, it's a war. A war against a disconnected sector of our society that have been forced to let uncontrolled immigrants into our country, starting with Blair, who was supported by lefties like you, ignoring what has become a major concern for many people in this country, most of whom would never support the far right. So, put me on ignore if you can't face up to what warmonger Blair and his human rights wife, getting rich off of defending the "rights" of displaced people, have caused, but some of us are sick of the sight of "Two Tier Kier" and his stormtroopers, ignoring the real cause of the many tragedies caused by our insane immigration policy and blaming on the non-existent EDF and the "Far Right", whatever they are. Meanwhile the police do nothing to stop anti-semitic, pro-Hamas demonstrators spewing hate and crawling all over the cenotaph. 

Now is exactly the time to ask questions. The people will force an end to our insane immigration policy, mark my words. The Labour party, with 32% support of the electorate are now toast amongst the "Red Wall" voters and our working class.

Oh, and the personal insults against me only prove the zero contribution those making them have, to solving to the  biggest problem facing this country since the second world war. Don't sob all over your keyboards, just put me on ignore. I don't really care less.

Oh, and maybe someone could explain where this piece of filth is on the autism spectrum. Looks bad, not mad, to me.

[badgerx16]

48 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

You're right, it's not a game. As I have posted, it's a war. A war against a disconnected sector of our society that have been forced to let uncontrolled immigrants into our country, starting with Blair, who was supported by lefties like you, ignoring what has become a major concern for many people in this country, most of whom would never support the far right. So, put me on ignore if you can't face up to what warmonger Blair and his human rights wife, getting rich off of defending the "rights" of displaced people, have caused, but some of us are sick of the sight of "Two Tier Kier" and his stormtroopers, ignoring the real cause of the many tragedies caused by our insane immigration policy and blaming on the non-existent EDF and the "Far Right", whatever they are. Meanwhile the police do nothing to stop anti-semitic, pro-Hamas demonstrators spewing hate and crawling all over the cenotaph. 

Now is exactly the time to ask questions. The people will force an end to our insane immigration policy, mark my words. The Labour party, with 32% support of the electorate are now toast amongst the "Red Wall" voters and our working class.

Oh, and the personal insults against me only prove the zero contribution those making them have, to solving to the  biggest problem facing this country since the second world war. Don't sob all over your keyboards, just put me on ignore. I don't really care less.

Oh, and maybe someone could explain where this piece of filth is on the autism spectrum. Looks bad, not mad, to me.

Much anger in this one I feel.

[whelk]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Much anger in this one I feel.

Yep - the nastiest poster on the forum, full of hate. 
 

EDF exist for sure. I send them money every month 

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

 

EDF exist for sure. I send them money every month 

Yet another example of unelected European control over the UK

[West end Saints]

17 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

In the absence of facts, consider this potential scenario, plucked from social media

This seems to be how a lot of racist views develop and has led to the recent far right criminality.

[spyinthesky]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

You're right, it's not a game. As I have posted, it's a war. A war against a disconnected sector of our society that have been forced to let uncontrolled immigrants into our country, starting with Blair, who was supported by lefties like you, ignoring what has become a major concern for many people in this country, most of whom would never support the far right. So, put me on ignore if you can't face up to what warmonger Blair and his human rights wife, getting rich off of defending the "rights" of displaced people, have caused, but some of us are sick of the sight of "Two Tier Kier" and his stormtroopers, ignoring the real cause of the many tragedies caused by our insane immigration policy and blaming on the non-existent EDF and the "Far Right", whatever they are. Meanwhile the police do nothing to stop anti-semitic, pro-Hamas demonstrators spewing hate and crawling all over the cenotaph. 

Now is exactly the time to ask questions. The people will force an end to our insane immigration policy, mark my words. The Labour party, with 32% support of the electorate are now toast amongst the "Red Wall" voters and our working class.

Oh, and the personal insults against me only prove the zero contribution those making them have, to solving to the  biggest problem facing this country since the second world war. Don't sob all over your keyboards, just put me on ignore. I don't really care less.

Oh, and maybe someone could explain where this piece of filth is on the autism spectrum. Looks bad, not mad, to me.

GM
You seem to suggest that immigration is an issue unique to England (or the UK)
However in reality there are similar issues in other European countries, especially those closer to North Africa, and even across the Irish Sea there are challenges.
And, of course, the USA  has problems.
I think even you will agree that some Immigration is required and perhaps EDL supporters would be prepared to tolerate Eastern European immigrants rather than those with a different view on religion or a darker shade of skin tone.
Question is how do you deal with those who come into this country 'illegally', especially those without documentation.
Appreciate your thoughts.

[Guided Missile]

4 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

This seems to be how a lot of racist views develop and has led to the recent far right criminality.

Questioning the potential for religious radicalisation as a cause of violence is not racism and there is no evidence that the violence is caused by the far right. As usual, the evidence is ignored and any opinion regarding a child killer who happens to be black is racism. I get called a cunt by lefties on here and Axel is immune because he is black and may be on the autistic spectrum. I think he is a piece of filth and that his family shares the responsibility for that, as does the government that let them into this country. I feel the same way about the Manchester bombers, an opinion that was shared by the public inquiry held 4 years after that tragic event.

Sir John Saunders in the Kerslake Report noted:

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...that Salman Abedi’s family holds “significant responsibility” for the radicalisation of him and his brother, with assistance in the plot likely coming from someone in Libya.

A series of recommendations were made by the Chairman, which include:

1. A scheme be created to prevent extremist prisoners from radicalising those who visit them
2. Education department to consider whether significant behavioural problems should be noted on records if students move school
3. The Government should strengthen legislation on witnesses not complying with inquiries (Abedi’s family did not provide any assistance)
4. Home Office should consider and respond to the 2021 review on laws relating to hateful extremism

We have learnt f-all from this report, primarily down to the gutless politicians avoiding the difficult decisions. Well, it's going to be down to the citizens to make the decisions for them.

[whelk]

13 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Appreciate your thoughts.

Probably the only person who does. I wish he would fuck off back to where he came from and never come back

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

I get called a cunt by lefties on here ........

Many others also get called a cunt Aimed at them it is an insult, for you it is just a fact.

I got called a traitor, who should be hung from a piano wire noose, by somebody on here. Can't immediately bring his identity to mind at the moment, but I'm sure it will come to me.

 

[Guided Missile]

7 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

GM
You seem to suggest that immigration is an issue unique to England (or the UK)
However in reality there are similar issues in other European countries, especially those closer to North Africa, and even across the Irish Sea there are challenges.
And, of course, the USA  has problems.
I think even you will agree that some Immigration is required and perhaps EDL supporters would be prepared to tolerate Eastern European immigrants rather than those with a different view on religion or a darker shade of skin tone.
Question is how do you deal with those who come into this country 'illegally', especially those without documentation.
Appreciate your thoughts.

Thank you for your polite and thoughtful post. Without the support of the majority of the people living here, we have no chance of solving the immigration issues facing us and Starmer, with a mandate of 32%, has recently made that eventuality impossible, with his disgraceful speech blaming the far right. The solution is simple to me.  Leave the ECHR, and also adopt a pure jus sanguinis approach to citizenship that prevents the automatic right to the children of immigrants to this priceless benefit, just because their mother gets pregnant in our country. This way, we can deport any immigrant or child of an immigrant, IF they commit a serious crime, after they've done the time. This policy is not uncommon and as you can see from the list of countries, there are many socialist states, such as Norway, that have this policy.

This won't happen though. Too many pearl clutching, champagne swilling socialists, with their sticky fingers on the levers of power appealing to the unelected pressure groups and MSM.

Just a minor point. Anyone seeing the police getting the shit kicked out of them at Madchester Airport, a partial and unrepresentative video of which caused the recent Leeds riots, might ask themselves how immigrants fleeing an unsafe country get to fly back from them, after their holidays in these "unsafe" countries. 

Mate, we are getting taken for mugs.

[Fan The Flames]

7 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Thank you for your polite and thoughtful post. Without the support of the majority of the people living here, we have no chance of solving the immigration issues facing us and Starmer, with a mandate of 32%, has recently made that eventuality impossible, with his disgraceful speech blaming the far right. The solution is simple to me.  Leave the ECHR, and also adopt a pure jus sanguinis approach to citizenship that prevents the automatic right to the children of immigrants to this priceless benefit, just because their mother gets pregnant in our country. This way, we can deport any immigrant or child of an immigrant, IF they commit a serious crime, after they've done the time. This policy is not uncommon and as you can see from the list of countries, there are many socialist states, such as Norway, that have this policy.

This won't happen though. Too many pearl clutching, champagne swilling socialists, with their sticky fingers on the levers of power appealing to the unelected pressure groups and MSM.

Just a minor point. Anyone seeing the police getting the shit kicked out of them at Madchester Airport, a partial and unrepresentative video of which caused the recent Leeds riots, might ask themselves how immigrants fleeing an unsafe country get to fly back from them, after their holidays in these "unsafe" countries. 

Mate, we are getting taken for mugs.

Shame you couldn't give a polite and thoughtful answer. 

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14 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

 

This won't happen though. Too many pearl clutching, champagne swilling socialists, with their sticky fingers on the levers of power appealing to the unelected pressure groups and MSM.

 

And what exactly did the Tories do between 2010 and 2024 ?

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3 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Shame you couldn't give a polite and thoughtful answer. 

He can't help himself.