Kristian Loekkegaard Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 14 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: He already does see it that way. AM is the backup to Baz. Get used to it, once Baz is fixed he'll be pre-populated on the team sheet again. Ok but I think we will sign a new first keeper before the window shuts down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ft8saint Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 My football knowledge is pretty small in comparison to some others on here, however my son plays under 8s and is a fairly decent goalkeeper and therefore his team feel more confident with him between the post and often play better and more confident with strength at the back. Often relaxing to score more. I don't think I have seen it that way for a while with us. A new keeper would be great even if just a loan for the season. Who I'm not sure ramsdale would be excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ft8saint Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Is de gea still a free agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 Back to .the subject again.. Yes... Lis is returning to Turkey, and although it was good to see him - even for the pre-season in England ... he doesn't seem to be any sort of "upgrade" on our existing goalies. IF.. the Turkish top tier has the sort of disparity with their second league that we see in England, then Göztepe may struggle for survival and we can really see what sort of quality he has as a potential Prem. custodian for the future. Although Saints have been paying AM a very large salary to sit on the bench for the last 2 seasons, we must admit he DAJFU in the play-offs and re-signing him was a wise move, but is he capable of being the required standard for even half of the season?.. A bad start might see us in the drop-zone already before Christmas with no satisfactory replacement .... and what happens if he gets injured.?. Many subscribers (above), seem to think that AM will be our automatic choice until then, and Bazunu will "magically " be back in the New Year but no-one knows if Bazunu will be " good enough to return " by then, and how fit he ..may / may not ...be. Goalkeeping is the most specialised role in the team. Throwing yourself at the feet of advancing strikers, or leaping around like a trapeze artist or leaping to punch / catch incoming shots... Agility is key, and in today's game also the ability to play out from the back with your feet. (Oh for the days of Antti Niemi, who was almost on a par with Peter Shilton IMHO). A few practice games with U21's may give us a clue how good GB may be in anticipating his return to Prem. level football, but the U21's have no league fixtures planned between the end of November and the second week of January. As I wrote in my opening post, we need a top rate keeper with international experience, not "a desperate loan" taken from someone else's bench. Whilst "the Downes' and O'Riley's" may command big fees... without a top class keeper the whole enterprise is doomed from Day 1. in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsBarry74 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 On 03/08/2024 at 17:34, Disco Stu said: McCarthy is considerably better at collecting crosses. And lets not downplay shot-stopping, the single most important attribute for a goalkeeper. Neither are at the required level but McCarthy is better at the fundementals. I completely agree with you. Shot-stopping is the most basic attribute of goalkeeping. If we have a player with the shot-stopping proficiency of a Sunday league player, it doesn't matter if he's like Messi when on the ball. I think the club has handled our outfield signings quite well, but it's puzzling why we can't seem to get our goalkeeping situation right, it's been like this for years. McCarthy haven't seemed right since he let those 9 goals in against Man Utd. Same could be said for Angus Gunn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiknsmack Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 On 04/08/2024 at 19:51, david in sweden said: Although Saints have been paying AM a very large salary to sit on the bench for the last 2 seasons, we must admit he DAJFU in the play-offs and re-signing him was a wise move, but is he capable of being the required standard for even half of the season? Re-signing him was a wise move, but we don't know if he's capable of being good enough to fill in for 6-12 months? Those things can't both be true. The wise move would've been letting him go and bringing in someone who is definitely good enough to fill in, especially as the club are apparently sticking with Bazunu once he's fit so we don't need to find the money to buy anyone but instead just get a loan in. And ESPECIALLY since, as you rightly say, without a top class keeper the whole enterprise is doomed from Day 1. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 7 hours ago, SaintsBarry74 said: I completely agree with you. Shot-stopping is the most basic attribute of goalkeeping. If we have a player with the shot-stopping proficiency of a Sunday league player, it doesn't matter if he's like Messi when on the ball. I think the club has handled our outfield signings quite well, but it's puzzling why we can't seem to get our goalkeeping situation right, it's been like this for years. McCarthy haven't seemed right since he let those 9 goals in against Man Utd. Same could be said for Angus Gunn. goalkeeper and CF remain as big an issue as they were a couple of years ago. let’s hope they can be addressed before the end of the window. think the transfer business elsewhere has been solid enough to date 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 I suspect that Dean Thornton (the goalkeeping Coach) will already have had some serious discussions with AM about Saturday's error. Immediately looking for a replacement GK would be a knee-jerk reaction, although having said that, if Lis has gone back on loan, it seems unlikely we will go into the season with just two first team keepers . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 So, where are Saints up to in terms of signing a keeper? We seem to have been linked with at least four candidates in the past couple of weeks and several others before that: Aaron Ramsdale - www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24450616.southampton-reportedly-weighing-up-move-aaron-ramsdale Sam Johnstone - www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24500418.southampton-reportedly-interested-crystal-palaces-sam-johnstone Vladyslav Krapyvtsov - www.footballfancast.com/southampton-ready-to-offer-contract-vladyslav-krapyvtsov-ahead-of-chelsea Jason Steele - www.givemesport.com/southampton-interested-in-brighton-goalkeeper-jason-steele Are we linked with anyone else? Is anything going to come of any of these links? Let's hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) Not sure what's funnier with regards to that Krapyvstov link. 1) He's called Krapy 2) It's another kid who hasn't played football professionally. 3) Chelsea are linked and they already have 200000 keepers. Edited August 21 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted August 21 Author Share Posted August 21 latest name in the hat is : Justin Bijlow. 26 y.o. goalie with Feyenoord . Sometime international for Holland . He will cost a bit, but as we seem to be on a spending spree......who cares ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 I hope we stay far away from Bijlow. I've seen perhaps 10 matches with him over the past few seasons and I've never understood why people thought he's any good. He makes a few good saves but he's not that commanding in the air and a bit error-prone. He's had an extensive list of injuries (especially for a goalkeeper) and I don't think he's that good with the ball at his feet either. If we're looking at goalkeepers in Holland that lost their starting spot we should rather be looking att Ramaj at Ajax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Saint Martini said: I hope we stay far away from Bijlow. I've seen perhaps 10 matches with him over the past few seasons and I've never understood why people thought he's any good. He makes a few good saves but he's not that commanding in the air and a bit error-prone. He's had an extensive list of injuries (especially for a goalkeeper) and I don't think he's that good with the ball at his feet either. If we're looking at goalkeepers in Holland that lost their starting spot we should rather be looking att Ramaj at Ajax. The poor bloke is going to risk ending up in a wheelchair if he carries on trying to play football. The long-term effects of all those injuries must already severely limit what he can do. It will be a miracle if he manages to limp out on to the pitch for even a handful of games. Season..Days..Injuries..Games missed 23/24.. 121 days.. 2.. 27 22/23.. 68 days.. 1.. 16 21/22.. 108 days.. 5.. 27 20/21.. 144 days.. 6.. 34 19/20.. 35 days.. 2.. 20 18/19.. 228 days.. 2.. 65 Edited August 21 by Nordic Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted August 21 Author Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, Saint Martini said: I hope we stay far away from Bijlow. I've seen perhaps 10 matches with him over the past few seasons and I've never understood why people thought he's any good. He makes a few good saves but he's not that commanding in the air and a bit error-prone. He's had an extensive list of injuries (especially for a goalkeeper) and I don't think he's that good with the ball at his feet either. If we're looking at goalkeepers in Holland that lost their starting spot we should rather be looking att Ramaj at Ajax. well I won't argue that point as you may be the only person on this site who has seen him play, but I have also noted that (according to reports) both Man Utd and Liverpool had been scouting him so he can't be so bad, and in all honesty I'd look at any player who they had gone out of their way to review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, Saint Martini said: I hope we stay far away from Bijlow. I've seen perhaps 10 matches with him over the past few seasons and I've never understood why people thought he's any good. He makes a few good saves but he's not that commanding in the air and a bit error-prone. He's had an extensive list of injuries (especially for a goalkeeper) and I don't think he's that good with the ball at his feet either. If we're looking at goalkeepers in Holland that lost their starting spot we should rather be looking att Ramaj at Ajax. You've obviously watched him so it's not that I disbelieve you, but saying "he's not that good with the ball at his feet" is contradicted by all the posts from fans, news articles about him and all the stats that I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 23 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said: The poor bloke is going to end up in a wheelchair if he risks playing football again. The twice broken wrist, rib, groin, thigh, knee, calf and foot injuries etc must already severely limit what he can do. It will be a miracle if he manages to limp out on to the pitch for even a handful of games. Fewer injuries in the last couple of years 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: You've obviously watched him so it's not that I disbelieve you, but saying "he's not that good with the ball at his feet" is contradicted by all the posts from fans, news articles about him and all the stats that I've seen. He must be a top rate goaly or he wouldn't have been selected by a series of managers (inc Koeman) for the national team. Its the injuries that worry me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: You've obviously watched him so it's not that I disbelieve you, but saying "he's not that good with the ball at his feet" is contradicted by all the posts from fans, news articles about him and all the stats that I've seen. It's all relative I guess. Pretty much every goalkeeper in the Netherlands is going to be okay with the ball at his feet I just wouldn't consider it a strength (a big improvement on McCarthy but that's pretty much a given). He's always had a reputation as a big talent in the Netherlands, made his debut at Feyenoord at a young age and also for the national team. Whenever I've seen him play I've never understood the fuss. I think him losing his spot to Wellenreuther at Feyenoord and the amount of different goalies the Netherlands have tested since he made his debut are quite telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 2 minutes ago, Saint Martini said: It's all relative I guess. Pretty much every goalkeeper in the Netherlands is going to be okay with the ball at his feet I just wouldn't consider it a strength (a big improvement on McCarthy but that's pretty much a given). He's always had a reputation as a big talent in the Netherlands, made his debut at Feyenoord at a young age and also for the national team. Whenever I've seen him play I've never understood the fuss. I think him losing his spot to Wellenreuther at Feyenoord and the amount of different goalies the Netherlands have tested since he made his debut are quite telling. Isn't that more to do with his injuries though rather than his form? That's what other people seemed to be saying. At any rate he seems like an upgrade on McCarthy even if he has some faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 55 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Isn't that more to do with his injuries though rather than his form? That's what other people seemed to be saying. At any rate he seems like an upgrade on McCarthy even if he has some faults. He was fit at the World Cup in 2022 and van Gaal chose to play Noppert who made his debut at the first World Cup game. He's fit right now and the new coach picks Wellenreuther. Sometimes its been injuries but it's definitely not just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre2 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) Who's to say he Wellenreuter didn't keep his spot because they new a transfer was imminent. For what it's worth I think he's a very good goalie: good with his feet, commands the area and a good shot stopper, but the injury record is a worry Edited August 21 by Pierre2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 3 hours ago, Dellyears said: Fewer injuries in the last couple of years He must be a top rate goaly or he wouldn't have been selected by a series of managers (inc Koeman) for the national team. Its the injuries that worry me. bazanu is irelands no 1 so that tells you little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 10 hours ago, Galway saint said: bazanu is irelands no 1 so that tells you little Netherlands ranked 7th in World, Republic of Ireland 58th, so reasonable chance Bijlow would be an improvement. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 11 hours ago, Pierre2 said: Who's to say he Wellenreuter didn't keep his spot because they new a transfer was imminent. For what it's worth I think he's a very good goalie: good with his feet, commands the area and a good shot stopper, but the injury record is a worry After breaking a wrist twice, has he still got good hands. Never mind, he's got good feet that's what matters these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisonlyonemickychannon Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Bijlow hopefully 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisonlyonemickychannon Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Bijlow hopefully 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisonlyonemickychannon Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Bijlow hopefully 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 10 minutes ago, Thereisonlyonemickychannon said: Bijlow hopefully 😃 10 minutes ago, Thereisonlyonemickychannon said: Bijlow hopefully 😃 10 minutes ago, Thereisonlyonemickychannon said: Bijlow hopefully 😃 By 1000 votes to none, the club are proud to announce the FansVoice signing of Bijlow to the club. A landslide vote. We'd like to welcome our voter to the stage...🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Billow doesn’t fill me with much more confidence than McCarthy to be honest. If he didn’t have such a poor fitness/injury record it would be a different matter. Think I’d prefer Steele, but that’s not saying much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 5 hours ago, Dellyears said: After breaking a wrist twice, has he still got good hands. Never mind, he's got good feet that's what matters these days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Ramsdale maybe..sky sports say we’re in for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 hours ago, It's There said: Ramsdale maybe..sky sports say we’re in for him I really hope this is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ft8saint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I think it)'ll be Jack Stephens he shit in all other positions so why no let him try in goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 31 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said: I think it)'ll be Jack Stephens he shit in all other positions so why no let him try in goal Why this bitterness from our own fans against one of our own and our captain? Bit sick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayling Saint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Dellyears said: Why this bitterness from our own fans against one of our own and our captain? Bit sick. Totally agree with this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Just seen Sky Sports saying we’re in for a loan deal deal for Ramsdale - fingers crossed they get this across the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey McStripe Shirt Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Reading the Arsenal forums, they're not exactly going to be disappointed to see him go. Panicky with the ball at his feet and costly errors seem to be the main theme of the comments. I know they probably have higher standards than Saints fans, but has that familiar Saints goalkeeping feeling....go to be better than current options though (surely?!?!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 (edited) We won't be signing Bijlow.. . .(and so Saints Martini got it right) so now it's ....back to square one. Ironically the phrase was first used almost 100 years ago by a radio commentator describing the passage of play for his listeners, and " back to square one" meant...... a pass back to the goalkeeper. ugh ! How I wish we could turn the clock back to June, after McCarthy had left the club after being out of contract. But now it suddenly seems like we have made no progress at all, in what is surely the most important role in the team. In the last few days of the " window " ...we are still back with McCarthy..... and a totally untried Joe Lumley (!) Saints will surely find " someone" before Friday, but the whole issue has become very ominous and very poorly planned. Edited August 27 by david in sweden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 With Wolves out the picture, this is a chance to (re)negotiate with Arsenal for Ramsdale. I'm presuming our scouting team have got a Plan C and D, but in all fairness, last Saturday's game showed that AMc can do a job should all other options fail. I'd like to see Lumley in against Cardiff because there's every chance he could be our back-up and he needs match practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 The former Dutch goalkeeper failed his medical. They tried their best to get him through it, but the poor bloke was falling apart. Even his wheelchair had one wheel hanging off it so they couldn't get him up the ramp. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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