hypochondriac Posted February 4 Posted February 4 26 minutes ago, whelk said: Oh yeah forgot all about that - still believe it @hypochondriac? I'll be honest I can't actually remember what I posted and I'm definitely not wading through pages to find out but from memory I simply posted what was being speculated about and commented about if it were true or not. I've never seen any evidence as yet that what was being speculated about has happened but I wouldn't say that has concluded as yet- certainly some odd goings on with his wife at any rate. On balance probably untrue but fun to speculate all the same. You would imagine if there were a secret child that someone like Starmer would have that knowledge quite securely bound behind an injunction. It won't have been the Christmas Eve visit from the speech therapist though- she's clearly post menopausal for a start...
hypochondriac Posted February 4 Posted February 4 I think I mentioned before how Labour have terrible communication and PR. This Chagos thing is a prime example. Why would Starmer say nothing about it and allow the Mauritiun PM to come out and say how they are essentially fucking the UK over? Yes it's not that important but how is something like that and the sums involved after handing it over going to improve Starmer and the Labour Party's popularity?
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) Amazing that a KC needs a voice coach so badly that she traveled during lockdown (from a different tier) to “coach” him in person on Xmas eve. That’s dedication …😂😂 Edited February 5 by Lord Duckhunter 1 2 1
Weston Super Saint Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Are we allowed to mention that the budget doesn't appear to have worked as intended yet? The BoE has cut interest rates and halved its forecast for growth (which was already pretty low), so the 'growth' that was planned by the Gov't to bring in all the extra revenue they needed to fill all the black holes doesn't appear to be happening. I assume the only way to fill them now is more taxes?
Gloucester Saint Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Are we allowed to mention that the budget doesn't appear to have worked as intended yet? The BoE has cut interest rates and halved its forecast for growth (which was already pretty low), so the 'growth' that was planned by the Gov't to bring in all the extra revenue they needed to fill all the black holes doesn't appear to be happening. I assume the only way to fill them now is more taxes? Public spending cuts. 15% off NHS England which is a lot of money (and caused a rumpus when the Tories did it) and other Depts being asked to find further significant savings - some essential R&D infrastructure delayed. Although early retirement and deleting of posts for people who basically sit in meetings is broadly fine with me, as long as some of the saving diverts to the frontline and non-clinical activities closest to the frontline. Unfortunately the universities financial position means that nursing programmes are closing which rather defeats some of the object. Simple way to fill the black hole - rejoin the Single Market. The UK has lost 6% of its economy since leaving it and that more than covers the difference. Instant boost to growth. And now supported by the majority of the country bar the bloody Red Wall. Madness from Labour, Tories and Reform. Lots of bollocks about freedom of movement but there’s been more of it since we left and the type that Reform voters hate the most. Turns out Polish plasterers weren’t such a problem after all (I’d just be glad to find some again!). Edited February 7 by Gloucester Saint 4
LuckyNumber7 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said: Madness from Labour, Tories and Reform. Lots of bollocks about freedom of movement but there’s been more of it since we left and the type that Reform voters hate the most. Turns out Polish plasterers weren’t such a problem after all (I’d just be glad to find some again!). That's entirely down to the incumbent government(s). Brexit gave us the ability to have complete control over who we allow into the country, but it's the government that decides how to enact that, and like you say the Tories (and probably Labour) have just let immigration get even more out of control. 2
egg Posted February 7 Posted February 7 2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Are we allowed to mention that the budget doesn't appear to have worked as intended yet? The BoE has cut interest rates and halved its forecast for growth (which was already pretty low), so the 'growth' that was planned by the Gov't to bring in all the extra revenue they needed to fill all the black holes doesn't appear to be happening. I assume the only way to fill them now is more taxes? Absolutely. The dinlo's boxed themselves into a corner over NI. The scary thing is that the changes have yet to come in. Unemployment will creep up, tax revenue will reduce, and we'll be back to the next crisis management. There'll be sweeping changes to the council tax system I'm guessing, possibly VAT, fuel duty, and inevitably massive spending cuts. 1
badgerx16 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 51 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said: Brexit gave us the ability to have complete control over who we allow into the country, ....... An ability the UK had before the referendum; https://ukandeu.ac.uk/we-can-control-eu-migration-we-just-havent-done-it/ Edited February 7 by badgerx16 2
revolution saint Posted February 7 Posted February 7 30 minutes ago, egg said: Absolutely. The dinlo's boxed themselves into a corner over NI. The scary thing is that the changes have yet to come in. Unemployment will creep up, tax revenue will reduce, and we'll be back to the next crisis management. There'll be sweeping changes to the council tax system I'm guessing, possibly VAT, fuel duty, and inevitably massive spending cuts. I don't disagree with you but, in their defence, not many parties are successful campaigning on higher taxation. 3
AlexLaw76 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Thankfully, council tax won’t be going up as Starmer told us this as fact a few months ago
rallyboy Posted February 7 Posted February 7 As established very clearly on numerous occasions last year, you have 14 years leeway in government before anything is your fault. 1 1
hypochondriac Posted February 7 Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, rallyboy said: As established very clearly on numerous occasions last year, you have 14 years leeway in government before anything is your fault. Oh right and you never held the Conservative party responsible for anything they did during their terms in office.
egg Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, revolution saint said: I don't disagree with you but, in their defence, not many parties are successful campaigning on higher taxation. Agreed, although I think they'd have got home if they'd said that the NI giveaway was unaffordable and needed to be reviewed. I also think they failed to appreciate the impact and the jib losses as a consequence. 2
sadoldgit Posted February 7 Author Posted February 7 1 hour ago, revolution saint said: I don't disagree with you but, in their defence, not many parties are successful campaigning on higher taxation. Therein lies the problem. We all want a decent NHS and public services but we don’t want to pay for them. 3
egg Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: Therein lies the problem. We all want a decent NHS and public services but we don’t want to pay for them. Yep, selfishness and high expectations do not go hand in hand. 2
egg Posted February 7 Posted February 7 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Thankfully, council tax won’t be going up as Starmer told us this as fact a few months ago Well it has, and council tax will cease to exist in the near ish future. There'll be a much costlier replacement.
Gloucester Saint Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 30 minutes ago, egg said: Yep, selfishness and high expectations do not go hand in hand. This is also what tripped Boris up as much as Partygate and will trip Farage up around the NHS. Easy to lie about £350m contributions on buses, much harder to actually make fiscally sustainable policies which can attract votes. Farage’s position on the NHS is as untenable politically as Labour’s was in the 1980s around nuclear disarmament. Once the wheels really come off the Trump car their bubble will burst. We want the same public services as pre-2010 but don’t want to fund them. We want economic growth but don’t want to be in a Single Market designed by Margaret Thatcher which made our economy 6% bigger than now and our businesses are tangled up in so much more red tape than before. We don’t want migration but our society is ageing. Or, we’ve decided Polish plasterers and Czech dentists are OK now having had a tantrum in 2016 but we don’t like ethnically diverse migration. You’d have to be mad to be a politician. No wonder people claim they are disillusioned with politics, their outlook is one of unicorns.🦄 Public are idiots. Edited February 7 by Gloucester Saint 4
trousers Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said: Public are idiots. I've always said we should have more self-deprecation here on the Saintsweb. Bravo sir for taking the plunge! Edited February 7 by trousers 1
Weston Super Saint Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Another one bites the dust : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7zperkelo Quote Health Minister Andrew Gwynne is sacked by PM and apologises for offence caused by "badly misjudged" messages on WhatsApp Are Labour trying to set a record for biggest majority converted to Independents?
Weston Super Saint Posted February 11 Posted February 11 Another day, another Labour MP converted to an independent : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5xdvnn16o Quote Burnley MP Oliver Ryan has become the second MP to be suspended from the Labour parliamentary party over his membership of a WhatsApp group which contained offensive messages. Although, to be fair, if it's anything like the first tranche of MPs that were suspended, it appears only 6 months needs to be spent in the wilderness until an apology earns a seat on the back benches again.
Weston Super Saint Posted February 11 Posted February 11 On 08/02/2025 at 18:43, Weston Super Saint said: Another one bites the dust : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7zperkelo Are Labour trying to set a record for biggest majority converted to Independents? Luckily though, a new Health Minister has been appointed and is exactly what the country needs. Who better to lead on Health than someone who thinks we should take people seriously if they self identify as a Llama? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/andrew-gwynne-prime-minister-keir-starmer-government-labour-b2695594.html Quote And asked if people should take someone seriously were they to identify as a llama, Ms Dalton signalled they should do so with “dignity and respect”, in an exchange which appears to have since been deleted.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted February 11 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: Luckily though, a new Health Minister has been appointed and is exactly what the country needs. Who better to lead on Health than someone who thinks we should take people seriously if they self identify as a Llama? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/andrew-gwynne-prime-minister-keir-starmer-government-labour-b2695594.html Surely, this is a masterstroke. By getting people to identify as llamas, it unlocks vets to deal with all of those patients, vastly reducing waiting times.
Weston Super Saint Posted February 11 Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: Surely, this is a masterstroke. By getting people to identify as llamas, it unlocks vets to deal with all of those patients, vastly reducing waiting times. Lump on 'pet plan' now to secure your financial security!
rallyboy Posted February 11 Posted February 11 I don't think this Llama health plan has legs, the additional costs would make the whole process quite deer.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted February 11 Posted February 11 2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Lump on 'pet plan' now to secure your financial security! NHS crisis...solved! Public/private health insurance issues and access...solved! Economic growth...solved from reinvested freed up health funds! Vote SaintsWeb! 9 out of 10 Llamas already do, and are healthier for it!
Holmes_and_Watson Posted February 11 Posted February 11 2 hours ago, rallyboy said: I don't think this Llama health plan has legs, the additional costs would make the whole process quite deer. I hate to be the one alpacaing holes in your reasoning, but it's a health plan with 4 legs, which is 2 more than the current one. 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 11 Posted February 11 7 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Another day, another Labour MP converted to an independent Fucking hell, if they’re not beating voters up, they’re insulting them. The nasty party…
Gloucester Saint Posted February 12 Posted February 12 23 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Fucking hell, if they’re not beating voters up, they’re insulting them. The nasty party… Not acceptable behaviour. It’s human nature to think it, but in public roles it’s stupid to have these things written in chat forums. The lessons were there from the previous shambles with their What’s App, so to repeat those mistakes with the contempt, they need to take a long look in the mirror. And not take a role in public or civic life. 3
hypochondriac Posted February 13 Posted February 13 18 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said: Not acceptable behaviour. It’s human nature to think it, but in public roles it’s stupid to have these things written in chat forums. The lessons were there from the previous shambles with their What’s App, so to repeat those mistakes with the contempt, they need to take a long look in the mirror. And not take a role in public or civic life. It certainly doesn't help with the perception that most of them are largely the same type of people. Politicians I mean.
rallyboy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Indeed, thankfully Nigel is different, it's not all about him. 4 1
Weston Super Saint Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Shock of all shocks, politicians lie! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77r05nx11po In other news, water is wet.
hypochondriac Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: Shock of all shocks, politicians lie! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77r05nx11po In other news, water is wet. Wow she got sacked by hbos. She may cling on but this has got to be difficult to survive. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 50 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Wow she got sacked by hbos. She may cling on but this has got to be difficult to survive. Left on VR. That BBC News might be adding 2+2 = 4 but it could be 7. Looking at it with a cold professional head on, NDAs, which effectively is what that is, are there to protect the organisation. It ain’t there to protect the departing employees which suggests she knew where the bodies were buried at HBOS https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg75jr5284o She’s clearly rubbed some people up the wrong way at HBOS in her time there. That link above says what you want according to whether you’re red or blue. I’m yellow so probably don’t matter. The culture on expenses in both politics and the corporate world actually stinks having seen it myself. And in the 00s it was a fuck sight worse. Grant Schapps also got caught out selling ponzi schemes under a false name and false representation and kept his job. What really grinds my gears is people seemingly misrepresenting. If I did that which I never have, I’d get caught but people like Schapps and Reeves either never do, or if they do never face the same sanction we would. I’ve had to work with loads of them and it depresses me because they are always the most slippery people to deal with. I always count my fingers after shaking hands with them. I suspect another one has been overseeing our football club’s demise if politics isn’t depressing enough. If you’ve worked at Bank of England for 6 years as an Economist, well done. But don’t say it’s 10 years because it’s not. Not impressed so far overall with her. I predict she will last 2025 but a re-shuffle after that. Edited February 13 by Gloucester Saint 1
hypochondriac Posted February 13 Posted February 13 15 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Another one!!!! The Nasty party. #bekind
Gloucester Saint Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Not in the same league as the previous What’s App issue and no worse than what was in Britannia Unchained about abusing an entire country. I just wouldn’t touch these groups with a barge pole if I were a public figure. Someone could hack it, disaffected colleagues or their partners could leak it. I remember getting a briefing in the early days of social media about the fact anything you post could be there for perpetuity and nothing was truly deleted.
AlexLaw76 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Why does she (or did he) need to lie? There is no real reason to be fair. Watch this from 6m 30s in
Weston Super Saint Posted February 14 Posted February 14 9 minutes ago, aintforever said: Who doesn't exaggerate on their CV? Honest people? 2
aintforever Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said: Honest people? When I read people's CV's I assume they are exaggerating a bit, I think it's just natural. People are going to try and sell themselves, that the point. Blatant lies are obviously different though.
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 14 Posted February 14 3 hours ago, aintforever said: Blatant lies are obviously different though. Like saying you’ll protect Winter fuel payments or “not a penny more on your council tax”. What about saying you’ll clamp down on private air travel by politicians, or your fuel bill will be reduced by £300. You’re right, a lot of CV’s are a load of old pony & she’s getting clog for something of nothing. But her and Starmer have been dancing on the head of pin to get out of the pony they spouted the past few years, so she fully deserves the uncomfortable time she’s getting over this.
sadoldgit Posted February 17 Author Posted February 17 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/16/starmer-ready-to-put-british-troops-on-the-ground-in-ukraine-if-peace-deal-reached Good to see Starmer has grown a pair and is showing Trump up for the Putin stooge he is. Now he just has to find the balls to talk about how Brexit has negatively effected the country and to stop letting Farage dictate his actions on immigration.
Turkish Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Fantastic to see Starmer is supporting Trumps peace deal in the Russia v Ukraine war by sending troops to support the peace agreement. It's collaboration like that will see the UK great again. Lets hope Trump and Putins negotiations go well tomorrow so we can see the peace in the region we've all wanted. Peace Gaza and Ukraine now on the horizon. Keir Starmer Offers to Send U.K. Troops to Ukraine as Part of Peace Deal - The New York Times Now if Starmer can follow Trumps lead and ban anymore that 2 genders and stop letting loony lefties dictate what biology is we can all move on. 1
hypochondriac Posted February 17 Posted February 17 On 14/02/2025 at 08:08, aintforever said: Who doesn't exaggerate on their CV? You'd think potential politicians wouldn't give the likelihood of the getting found out if they get a top job.
Turkish Posted February 17 Posted February 17 On 14/02/2025 at 08:17, Weston Super Saint said: Honest people? or if you dont need too 😎
badgerx16 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 2 hours ago, Turkish said: Fantastic to see Starmer is supporting Trumps peace deal in the Russia v Ukraine war by sending troops to support the peace agreement. It's collaboration like that will see the UK great again. Lets hope Trump and Putins negotiations go well tomorrow so we can see the peace in the region we've all wanted. Peace Gaza and Ukraine now on the horizon. Keir Starmer Offers to Send U.K. Troops to Ukraine as Part of Peace Deal - The New York Times Now if Starmer can follow Trumps lead and ban anymore that 2 genders and stop letting loony lefties dictate what biology is we can all move on. Does Trump have plans to rebuild the Donbas with casinos and nightclubs ?
sadoldgit Posted February 17 Author Posted February 17 As we speak Trump is printing thousands of baseball caps with MUGA on the front. Make USSR Great Again. He plans to sell them, tariff free, to Putin and make a killing. 1
Turkish Posted February 17 Posted February 17 11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Does Trump have plans to rebuild the Donbas with casinos and nightclubs ? be a great idea to boost their economy whilst providing the Ukrainian public with some entertainment and fun for the past three years they've had to endure.
badgerx16 Posted February 18 Posted February 18 It seems that both Badenoch and Starmer may have been misinformed over the case of the Palestinian fsmily and the Ukrainian asylum process ; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp47mpxgno
Weston Super Saint Posted February 18 Posted February 18 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: It seems that both Badenoch and Starmer may have been misinformed over the case of the Palestinian fsmily and the Ukrainian asylum process ; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp47mpxgno To be expected from Badenoch but you'd expect the lawyer would have checked!
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