badgerx16 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 5 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Old ships? It is an entire capability that has now been killed off Albion and Bulwark were both mothballed by the last Government, and Northumberland is beyond economical repair due to structural failures. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, badgerx16 said: Albion and Bulwark were both mothballed by the last Government, and Northumberland is beyond economical repair due to structural failures. Err, they were under control on the primary contractor, with work packages to regenerate bulwark at least. This has left the navy now negotiating with said contractor to take back control of a recently sold frigate Edited November 21 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Err, they were under control on the primary contractor, with work packages to regenerate bulwark at least. This has left the navy now negotiating with said contractor to take back control of a recently sold frigate "What we’re actually seeing with HMS Bulwark is extended readiness, just under a different name. Despite previous announcements about returning to service, I think most people knew that was unlikely. The reality is that the ship is unlikely to be deployed for any significant operations. The notion of being ready ‘if required’ subtly but unmistakably points to this being the case.” https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-bulwark-unlikely-to-return-to-sea-unless-needed/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 30 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: "What we’re actually seeing with HMS Bulwark is extended readiness, just under a different name. Despite previous announcements about returning to service, I think most people knew that was unlikely. The reality is that the ship is unlikely to be deployed for any significant operations. The notion of being ready ‘if required’ subtly but unmistakably points to this being the case.” https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-bulwark-unlikely-to-return-to-sea-unless-needed/ Of course that is going to be said. The real world is a regeneration programme just needed the commitment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 (edited) 15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Of course that is going to be said. The real world is a regeneration programme just needed the commitment. Which amounts to the ships being 'mothballed'' pending any decision to initiate the 'regeneration programme'. Neither Albion or Bulwark have been operational for at least 12 months, and the previous Government showed no inclination to act on bringing them back into service. Such a situation mirrors the Thatcher Government's actions in the Defence Review immediately before Argentina invaded the Falklands - the number of RN ships listed to be decommissioned was a significant factor in the Junta's perception that the UK would not try to counter their actions. ( Hermes was to be decommissioned, Invincible was to be sold to Australia, and both Intrepid and Fearless were to be listed as surplus to requirements as the Navy was pivoted to a predominantly anti-submarine force ). Edited November 21 by badgerx16 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 23 hours ago, trousers said: Anyone else seeing the irony in a Scottish Nationalist citing nationalism as a bad idea...? At least it'll give Alanis Morrisette a new verse should she ever feel the need to write a sophomore version of her most renowned piece of work... Fair point 🙂 The jocks managed to stop short of the cliff edge and there were loads of hidden costs in their leave campaign, not least a lack of clarity of whether they could carry on using Sterling, whether the EC would let them join the Euro (very unlikely as Spain didn’t want the Basques kicking off) and/or the EU itself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 (edited) This sounds a bit conspiracy theory for my tastes, but given that Starmer has namechecked Blackrock directly, it's an interesting prediction nonetheless. Would explain the farmer strategy. https://x.com/DanielPriestley/status/1859888520740958371?t=PSIrwUF7tEaEpywJlJwN1Q&s=19 Edited November 22 by hypochondriac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 22 Author Share Posted November 22 Can’t believe that anyone with any level of intelligence still falls for the guff on conspiracy theorist heaven that is X. Where was all this during the last 14 years of Tory rule hippo? You have suddenly woken up but hardly a peep out of you during one of the most corrupt and incompetent periods of government in our lifetime. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 49 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: This sounds a bit conspiracy theory for my tastes, but given that Starmer has namechecked Blackrock directly, it's an interesting prediction nonetheless. Would explain the farmer strategy. https://x.com/DanielPriestley/status/1859888520740958371?t=PSIrwUF7tEaEpywJlJwN1Q&s=19 When he started waffling on about illegal immigrant labour I made my mind up about him being certifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Can’t believe that anyone with any level of intelligence still falls for the guff on conspiracy theorist heaven that is X. Where was all this during the last 14 years of Tory rule hippo? You have suddenly woken up but hardly a peep out of you during one of the most corrupt and incompetent periods of government in our lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: When he started waffling on about illegal immigrant labour I made my mind up about him being certifiable. Yes you are probably right. Like I said a bit too much of a conspiracy theory. It will be interesting to see what moves Blackrock does make in the UK though and also what hands farms do end up in. One claim is that young people who want to be farmers will be able to do so. Let's see if that happens. Edited November 22 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 9 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Can’t believe that anyone with any level of intelligence still falls for the guff on conspiracy theorist heaven that is X. Where was all this during the last 14 years of Tory rule hippo? You have suddenly woken up but hardly a peep out of you during one of the most corrupt and incompetent periods of government in our lifetime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: This sounds a bit conspiracy theory for my tastes, but given that Starmer has namechecked Blackrock directly, it's an interesting prediction nonetheless. Would explain the farmer strategy. https://x.com/DanielPriestley/status/1859888520740958371?t=PSIrwUF7tEaEpywJlJwN1Q&s=19 Sounds absolutely bonkers - I think you were right initially. Trust your gut feeling. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 22 Author Share Posted November 22 56 minutes ago, rallyboy said: Sounds absolutely bonkers - I think you were right initially. Trust your gut feeling. His gut feeling was to take a conspiracy theory from X and spread it on another social media platform. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 https://inews.co.uk/news/rachel-reeves-banking-roles-revealed-cv-3390856?srsltid=AfmBOorDJFvKQnN5WoAtZ38Dr-3mVQTYvDT0TJpc2viQmnJgXOX2BJdZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 25 Author Share Posted November 25 This will probably rankle with the few on here who bring up Ched Evans every few months, but the majority of people who think that men taking advantage of women when intoxicated is wrong and needs to be dealt with as criminality will welcome this. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jess-phillips-details-spiking-laws-102156706.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 59 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: This will probably rankle with the few on here who bring up Ched Evans every few months, but the majority of people who think that men taking advantage of women when intoxicated is wrong and needs to be dealt with as criminality will welcome this. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jess-phillips-details-spiking-laws-102156706.html There was me thinking spiking a birds drink was a criminal offence already. Is that what Ched did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 7 hours ago, sadoldgit said: This will probably rankle with the few on here who bring up Ched Evans every few months, but the majority of people who think that men taking advantage of women when intoxicated is wrong and needs to be dealt with as criminality will welcome this. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jess-phillips-details-spiking-laws-102156706.html Did Ched Evans spike her drink? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 This pretty much sums up the current state of affairs. https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/25/two-million-voters-already-think-keir-starmers-team-should-be-relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 (edited) 1 minute ago, sadoldgit said: This pretty much sums up the current state of affairs. https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/25/two-million-voters-already-think-keir-starmers-team-should-be-relegated So exactly like those that didn’t like the result of the brexit referendum demanding another vote then? and those who took the streets screaming “not my prime minister” when Johnson won the last one? Edited November 26 by Turkish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 24 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: This pretty much sums up the current state of affairs. https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/25/two-million-voters-already-think-keir-starmers-team-should-be-relegated ITV news ran a story on whether many of the 'signatures' were genuine. Given that two thirds of those that voted in the GE didn't vote for Labour there are many more names that could be added to this pointless act of self-promotion by Farage - and what the fuck does it have to do with Elon Musk ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: ITV news ran a story on whether many of the 'signatures' were genuine. Given that two thirds of those that voted in the GE didn't vote for Labour there are many more names that could be added to this pointless act of self-promotion by Farage - and what the fuck does it have to do with Elon Musk ? Bot’s going on? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 21 hours ago, sadoldgit said: This will probably rankle with the few on here who bring up Ched Evans every few months, but the majority of people who think that men taking advantage of women when intoxicated is wrong and needs to be dealt with as criminality will welcome this. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jess-phillips-details-spiking-laws-102156706.html what a life! Trawling the internet all day to find random articles to make vague digs at people you dont like on a football forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Listened to a good Ian Hislop interview today. Essentially said "this lot aren't very good at explaining things. Politics is about bringing people with you." I think that's a good summary. It does seem like much of the wounds they have caused so far been self inflicted. Certainly their comms need work and selling proposals to the electorate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 A minority of people who didn't like an election result want another one. That's not how it works in the UK, and they knew that before the election. #notnews 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 52 minutes ago, rallyboy said: A minority of people who didn't like an election result want another one. That's not how it works in the UK, and they knew that before the election. #notnews True, so why is it being reported so widely ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 https://newsthump.com/2024/11/25/petition-to-remove-keir-starmer-from-office-helpfully-providing-a-nice-long-list-of-the-nations-dumbest-imbeciles/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 3 hours ago, ecuk268 said: https://newsthump.com/2024/11/25/petition-to-remove-keir-starmer-from-office-helpfully-providing-a-nice-long-list-of-the-nations-dumbest-imbeciles/ This sums up social media and keyboard warriors nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 12 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: This sums up social media and keyboard warriors nicely. Thankfully, we don't have any of those on the Saintsweb Forum... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 7 hours ago, rallyboy said: A minority of people who didn't like an election result want another one. That's not how it works in the UK, and they knew that before the election. #notnews Agreed https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/keir-starmer-labour-is-committed-to-a-second-referendum-a4243906.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 58 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Agreed Is that your apology or are you still working on it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 5 hours ago, sadoldgit said: This sums up social media and keyboard warriors nicely. Someone who things they’re ending racism by posting about it on football forum someone who prides themselves on being the voice of reason calling out the bad guys on a football forum someone who regular goes ballistic with hate filled replies laced with all sorts of accusations could someone like that be described a a “keyboard warrior” one ponders 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Apparently she does. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxy1kp73y9o Quote Louise Haigh has resigned as transport secretary after pleading guilty to a criminal offence related to incorrectly telling police that a work mobile phone was stolen in 2013. What a load of nonsense though. She shouldn't be forced out of her job for that. Edited November 29 by Weston Super Saint 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 58 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Apparently she does. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxy1kp73y9o What a load of nonsense though. She shouldn't be forced out of her job for that. Depends if that's all it was or if there was more to come out about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: Apparently she does. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxy1kp73y9o What a load of nonsense though. She shouldn't be forced out of her job for that. The problem is that in front line politics your past will always be a stick to beat you with, and the dopey people calling for a fresh election etc will judge her as if she's robbed a bank. In any other area of public service it wouldn't get a second mention, but in front line politics with her party under pressure, she's probably made the right call. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Susan Hall criticising that is like living in the Crystal Palace and throwing rocks at the glass houses of others. Starmer grabbed the opportunity to move on the left wingers on though, won’t be too upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 Shame - she has been convicted and been punished - really should be the end of it. She has left with honour and integrity as she left with absolutely no fuss. Endemic of the press and the need for to break people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 That's like being done for doing 33mph. Over the last decade we've had cabinet ministers literally stealing public money, taking bribes and carrying on, so it's difficult for the opposition to make anything of this. Unless they can't spot the enormous trap they'd walk into. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 29 Author Share Posted November 29 She resigns for this and the next President of the United States of America is a convicted sex offender. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 9 minutes ago, rallyboy said: Unless they can't spot the enormous trap they'd walk into. Well yeah, but that’s no given. And as Jamie Delldays shows time and again, hypocrisy is fine when it comes to politics. FWIW I think she was right to fall on her sword. I don’t much like the press going through bins, but you can’t be transport secretary of the country with this on your record while trying to stand front and centre for a party that said “you can’t be a lawbreaker and a lawmaker”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Shame - she has been convicted and been punished - really should be the end of it. She has left with honour and integrity as she left with absolutely no fuss. Endemic of the press and the need for to break people. Only the tory leaflet papers Edited November 29 by tdmickey3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 29 Author Share Posted November 29 (edited) 21 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Well yeah, but that’s no given. And as Jamie Delldays shows time and again, hypocrisy is fine when it comes to politics. FWIW I think she was right to fall on her sword. I don’t much like the press going through bins, but you can’t be transport secretary of the country with this on your record while trying to stand front and centre for a party that said “you can’t be a lawbreaker and a lawmaker”. Unless you are a Tory, apparently. Edited November 29 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Unless you are a Tory, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 29 Author Share Posted November 29 (edited) 16 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: The right wing apologist, right on cue. I think he missed the irony of using Batman here. 😂 Did she actually break any laws? Edited November 29 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) 20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: The right wing apologist, right on cue. I think he missed the irony of using Batman here. 😂 Did she actually break any laws? She plead guilty to making a false report to the Police, inventing a false 'vicious' mugging to cover having lost her work phone, ( which it turns out wasn't lost ). So yes, she did. Edited November 29 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 23 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: She plead guilty to making a false report to the Police, inventing a false 'vicious' mugging to cover having lost her work phone, ( which it turns out wasn't lost ). So yes, she did. And apparently it wasn't the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 hour ago, The Kraken said: FWIW I think she was right to fall on her sword. I don’t much like the press going through bins, but you can’t be transport secretary of the country with this on your record while trying to stand front and centre for a party that said “you can’t be a lawbreaker and a lawmaker”. 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: Unless you are a Tory, apparently. That literally makes no sense whatsoever to the post you were responding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 29 Author Share Posted November 29 11 minutes ago, The Kraken said: That literally makes no sense whatsoever to the post you were responding to. Other than you can be a lawmaker and a lawbreaker if you are a Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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