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The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

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whelk

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23 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The vote on the benefit cap was the SNP playing silly buggers just to look as if they matter.

Hey they were the ones that care about Gaza

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sadoldgit

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57 minutes ago, whelk said:

Shut up you soppy old fucker. And read people’s posts rather than posting your boring links

You are sounding more like Duckie every day. I’ll read what I like and post what I like thanks. If you don’t care for the links that I post just don’t open them. 

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The Kraken

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1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

The vote on the benefit cap was the SNP playing silly buggers just to look as if they matter.

I don't have a problem with the vote per se, it's an important issue and should be on the agenda for discussion  Also no problem to Labour's approach to it, it was made abundantly clear in their manifesto that they wouldn't be scrapping the cap yet but may look to do so further down the line.  Plenty of Labour MPs were capable of making their personal points on it but still toeing the party's published line.  No surprise of the composition of the 7 that didn't.

whelk

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17 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

What has that got to do with anything?

If you can’t see it I am not going to explain it to you. Maybe James O’Brien may discuss at some point and you will be enlightened.

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whelk

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20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You are sounding more like Duckie every day. I’ll read what I like and post what I like thanks. If you don’t care for the links that I post just don’t open them. 

Do you think I actually open them?

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sadoldgit

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16 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Good news. No more Labour MPs hosting LBC shows

How would you know? You are too busy watching Tory/Reform people hosting GB News shows. Incidentally, if you tune into LBC now you will hear James Heappy hosting a phone on show. That should make you happy.

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Lord Duckhunter

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21 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Why?

She has zero obligation to stick with any spending plans the Tories put in place and can decide for herself the level of shortfall.

It’s also complete pony or as The IFS put it “not credible” to feign surprise. They knew full well the state of the finances, the OBR figures are there to see & oppositions are fully briefed by The Treasury. They’re trying to create their own Liam Byrne “no money” narrative as cover for tax rises. If they didn’t know about it, god help us. 
 

Every single party used fantasy economics during the election campaign.  Just goes to show for all the fawning pony on here, they are just the same, and the new broom is as new as Triggers. 

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whelk

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Sorted the junior doctor dispute by looks of it. Already done more than the last mob. Cue Daily Mail screaming about caving in, where’s the money? Blah blah blah

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trousers

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53 minutes ago, whelk said:

Sorted the junior doctor dispute by looks of it. 

That'll disappoint my sister-in-law (hospital clinical site manager).... she said to me the other day that A&E functions much more effectively on Junior Doctor strike days.... 

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On 27/07/2024 at 12:39, Lord Duckhunter said:

They knew full well the state of the finances, the OBR figures are there to see & oppositions are fully briefed by The Treasury.

Apparently not, recent Tory financial statements have been described as works of fiction and the OBR has confirmed that the full damage has only been exposed now that the criminals have left the building.

Appalling mismanagement of the finances, and they lied about it - indefensible.

Bring on the Covid corruption investigations.... 

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hypochondriac

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On 29/07/2024 at 13:04, whelk said:

Sorted the junior doctor dispute by looks of it. Already done more than the last mob. Cue Daily Mail screaming about caving in, where’s the money? Blah blah blah

TBF it's not very hard to sort if you just give them what they wanted. Not that I necessarily disagree but it's a political choice that the Tories didn't want to do. 

sadoldgit

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They wanted a 35% increase.

We needed to end the strikes, to get the waiting lists down and we need to retain and recruit more doctors. No sign of that happening under the last government.

Lord Duckhunter

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

They wanted a 35% increase.

We needed to end the strikes, to get the waiting lists down and we need to retain and recruit more doctors. No sign of that happening under the last government.

You must be really pleased with the way it’s going. As well as sorting out the Doc’s they’ve kept the evil Tories 2 child cap, taken winter fuel allowance off pensioners & gone back on their social care commitments. If they keep going like this, they may get my vote next time. 

Weston Super Saint

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12 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You must be really pleased with the way it’s going. As well as sorting out the Doc’s they’ve kept the evil Tories 2 child cap, taken winter fuel allowance off pensioners & gone back on their social care commitments. If they keep going like this, they may get my vote next time. 

Don't be too hasty. That's just the junior docs sorted. It's the GPs turn next and now they know there isn't much negotiation their demands might double.

I loved the comment from the teachers union when they said there would be no more strikes "this" year. I wonder how much of a raise they're planning for next year?

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1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Don't be too hasty. That's just the junior docs sorted. It's the GPs turn next and now they know there isn't much negotiation their demands might double.

I loved the comment from the teachers union when they said there would be no more strikes "this" year. I wonder how much of a raise they're planning for next year?

The danger with this kind of deal is it creates expectation, and a precedent that strike and you'll get what you want. Personally I'm staggered by this, that the fuel allowance was removed, and by the social care decision. I always felt that Starmer wasn't a lefty and other than caving to unions, he's showing that he isn't. 

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sadoldgit

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They didn’t get what they wanted. The other pay awards are in line with the recommended amounts by pay reviews. He is not stupid. We need more doctors and this is part of a new recruitment drive. I don’t think others in different circumstances will find him a push over. He didn’t fold on the child benefit cap and hasn’t on other unpopular policies. We hit a brick wall under the last government. Things are moving now.

Lord Duckhunter

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 Looks like they’ve stuffed their mouths full of gold again, good luck with holding back the rest of the public sector’s  pay demands. Stil I can’t complain too much, looks like the old snap dragon will be quids in. 
 

Rich pensioners clearly shouldn’t get WFA, but the problem with basing it on Pension credit is that particular benefit is, according to Martin Lewis,  the worst in terms of take up. More people entitled to it don’t claim, than any other benefit. It’s one of the reasons Gordon Brown made it universal.
 

Personally, I’d like to see universal benefits end, but I’d have started with child benefit before pensioners. It’s unbelievable that a Labour Government have taken £300 off pensioners but people earning 50k still get child benefit. And unlike the poorest, it isn’t capped at 2 children (as UC is). Strange world, where lefties appear to be relaxed with it. 

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Fan The Flames

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Tories cutting taxes to put more money in working people's pockets - heros.

Labour giving proper pay rises to put more money in working people's pockets - champagne socialist scum.

A decent wage for decent days work shouldn't be in question.

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Holmes_and_Watson

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55 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Tories cutting taxes to put more money in working people's pockets - heros.

Labour giving proper pay rises to put more money in working people's pockets - champagne socialist scum.

A decent wage for decent days work shouldn't be in question.

And that's all I want. A decent year's pay for a decent day's work.

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Lord Duckhunter

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6 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

Tories cutting taxes to put more money in working people's pockets - heros.

Labour giving proper pay rises to put more money in working people's pockets - champagne socialist scum.

A decent wage for decent days work shouldn't be in question.

What about taking money out of pensioners pockets to stuff doctors mouths with gold again, what do you call them? 
 

What do you call someone who says one thing in opposition, but then does the complete opposite within a month of becoming chancellor. I know the word id use, what about you? 
 

New Broom. 
 


 

 

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AlexLaw76

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Just now, aintforever said:

Too many rich pensioners don’t need winter fuel payments or tax relief on their pensions - keep it coming I say.

That is fine, but now what was said by Labour before the election

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aintforever

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4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

That is fine, but now what was said by Labour before the election

That was before they saw the extent of the hole in the finances left by the Tories - do keep up they have made that quite clear.

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Fan The Flames

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What about taking money out of pensioners pockets to stuff doctors mouths with gold again, what do you call them? 
 

What do you call someone who says one thing in opposition, but then does the complete opposite within a month of becoming chancellor. I know the word id use, what about you? 
 

New Broom. 
 


 

 

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Doctors mouth with gold - such a drama queen.

If people don't like it they can punish Labour at the next election 😁

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whelk

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23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Looks like GPs may want a 20% rise.

just wait till the teachers get their teeth into this next year!

Shame Grant Schapps isn’t still in government proposing to replace GPs with agency staff as was his solution to beat the train driver strikes.

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trousers

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13 hours ago, aintforever said:

Too many rich pensioners don’t need winter fuel payments or tax relief on their pensions - keep it coming I say.

Totally agree that "millionaires" shouldn't get the payment, but what about the large number of 'non-rich' pensioners that sit just above the arbitrary cut-off threshold? 

sledgehammer to crack a nut Stock Photo - Alamy

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Lord Duckhunter

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16 hours ago, aintforever said:

That was before they saw the extent of the hole in the finances left by the Tories - do keep up they have made that quite clear.

Starmer  stood up in parliament in May & said there was a black hole of 40 million, so unless he’s done a Joe Biden and forgotten already, I think it’s safe to assume he knew.

 

As Starmer says himself, politics is about making choices . They’ve decided in their first month to take £300 off people with an income of just under 12k a year & maintain the evil 2 child benefit cap.
 

Great that you support these measures and appear to want them to go even further. 

 

 

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rallyboy

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1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Starmer  stood up in parliament in May & said there was a black hole of 40 million, so unless he’s done a Joe Biden and forgotten already, I think it’s safe to assume he knew.

 

As Starmer says himself, politics is about making choices . They’ve decided in their first month to take £300 off people with an income of just under 12k a year & maintain the evil 2 child benefit cap.
 

Great that you support these measures and appear to want them to go even further. 

 

 

Nice to see you too are now concerned about the less well off - welcome aboard.

It's quite a spectacular U-turn from Boris is playing a blinder, but it's refreshing to see. 

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Lord Duckhunter

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Not quite as spectacular as lefties hailing the removal of £300 from pensioners just on the basic pension & even calling for the Government to go further. All whilst they leave people on 50k free to claim child benefit with no 2 child limit. I guess we’re all evil Tories now. 
 

New broom 

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Fan The Flames

Fan The Flames

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34 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

One of the most famous quotes in political history, no surprise it went over your head. 

Everyday's a school day, now I know it you're still a drama queen, it's a contract negotiation like the hundreds that have happen since Bevan. I thought you believed in capitalism.

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whelk

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25 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Starmer  stood up in parliament in May & said there was a black hole of 40 million, so unless he’s done a Joe Biden and forgotten already, I think it’s safe to assume he knew.

 

As Starmer says himself, politics is about making choices . They’ve decided in their first month to take £300 off people with an income of just under 12k a year & maintain the evil 2 child benefit cap.
 

Great that you support these measures and appear to want them to go even further. 

 

 

It’s going to be funny for the next 5 years watchng you getting yourself so worked up.

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