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23 hours ago, Turkish said:

luckily his dad was able to save his brothers life as previously he had given him a handy tool he had made to escape from torpedoed ships should he ever find himself in this tight spot.

The Mirror have dug up an old picture of his uncle as well.
 

 

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6 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It must have bothered Starmer. He paid some of the ticket prices back. Can't imagine why he'd do that if it was considered to be so normal.

It obviously bothered Nandy as well, seeing as yesterday she lied and said Mrs Balls didn’t attend the concert. No wonder the rest of her media round was suddenly cancelled . 

 

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36 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It obviously bothered Nandy as well, seeing as yesterday she lied and said Mrs Balls didn’t attend the concert. No wonder the rest of her media round was suddenly cancelled . 

 

New Broom 

Like spoiled children caught stealing. Entitlement (it's in the rules we fixed! Grifting is the way things are!); diversion (the other kids lie and are crooked too!); Can't see what they did wrong ( I'm paying back some of it...because...something...but I wasn't wrong); further lying (they weren't there! the tickets were for someone else! No pile of freebies changes our mind at all!)

So avoidable by any party who actually had an interest in reducing troughing and corruption. Instead, it's just another lot of the same, who can't be trusted to run a tuck shop.

Meanwhile, big changes to worker rights...

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7 hours ago, whelk said:

I truly pity how desperate some of you are to lap this stuff up. Although Sky News milking this one as they think they have some sort of scoop. Boring as fuck.

i await Hypo saying how disappointed he is as Yvette Cooper is just the same as Boris Johnson 

Problem is that when if it was a Tory you'd be all over and talking corruption etc, but as its your preferred politics its a case it doesn't matter. Getting tickets and preferential treatment when you are in power is done not because they like the individual its in the hope what influence or what they may get back in return.

Do you really believe that the man who gave Starmers thousands of pounds worth of gifts would have done so ,if there wasnt a hope of a return in the future?

They are all at the trough whatever the colour.

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Bless although it is pity really. All the angry men bastardising the English language with their new verb getting worked up over concert tickets oblivious to how the world works. Their hope quashed. Still they can always find some hilarious internet memes to give them some joy n between gnashing their teeth

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21 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Problem is that when if it was a Tory you'd be all over and talking corruption etc, but as its your preferred politics its a case it doesn't matter.

Actually not the case, couldn’t give a fuck how Jenrick got his Taylor Swift tickets either. I can work out when I am being played

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12 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Newsflash. Woman goes on holiday. Scandalous.

Absolutely fucking desperate stuff 🤣

Yeah you’d think if you were such a gullible mug you’d try and keep quiet about it, not embarrass yourself by broadcasting it. But no.

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6 hours ago, OldNick said:

Problem is that when if it was a Tory you'd be all over and talking corruption etc, but as it’s your preferred politics it’s a case it doesn't matter. 

This news comes to you courtesy of Nick who for so long has been tireless in his condemnation of all governments down the years, and has definitely not allowed his preferred politics an easy ride at any time, no sir.

”if I had no self awareness, I think I’d know”.

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As expected, Labour whacking up capital gains tax. Luckily I'll be selling my investments beforehand and then keeping it all in the bank and doing very little with it. I expect most people will do similar which is the opposite of what should be happening. 

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19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

As expected, Labour whacking up capital gains tax. Luckily I'll be selling my investments beforehand and then keeping it all in the bank and doing very little with it. I expect most people will do similar which is the opposite of what should be happening. 

Great, some revenue for the Treasury

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13 minutes ago, whelk said:

Great, some revenue for the Treasury

Labour should be encouraging investment, not the total opposite. If the conditions become too risky and many investment become too likely to be loss making then no one will bother or will invest outside of the country. This might provide a very short term gain-maybe not- but medium to long term it will make things much worse. 

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5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Labour should be encouraging investment, not the total opposite. If the conditions become too risky and many investment become too likely to be loss making then no one will bother or will invest outside of the country. This might provide a very short term gain but medium to long term it will make things much worse. 

That is the Tory line on any taxes. Quite predictable that it was going to rise but be funny if it didn’t for all those pre-emotive investors 

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10 minutes ago, whelk said:

That is the Tory line on any taxes. Quite predictable that it was going to rise but be funny if it didn’t for all those pre-emotive investors 

It would be great if it doesn't rise (guardian sources hardly likely to be wrong though in this instance.) because I can continue to invest and contribute to the economy in the process. Loads of people will feel the same. If it is as the Guardian predict we will be well above the German, Italian and French rate. Why would you invest here if that's the case? 

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8 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

It would be great if it doesn't rise (guardian sources hardly likely to be wrong though in this instance.) because I can continue to invest and contribute to the economy in the process. Loads of people will feel the same. If it is as the Guardian predict we will be well above the German, Italian and French rate. Why would you invest here if that's the case? 

Are you making a distinction between corporation tax and CGT? I don’t have a problem with CGT but I would prefer a tax to target the extremely wealthy. There are always scare stories supported by an ideology of reduce taxes and economy grows faster and everyone is better off - largely bs (see Liz Truss mini budget) but suits the powerful. I have recently been watching the Bill Gates series on Netflix and he said he is constantly amazed why he isn’t taxed more. 
 

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9 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Labour should be encouraging investment, not the total opposite. If the conditions become too risky and many investment become too likely to be loss making then no one will bother or will invest outside of the country. This might provide a very short term gain-maybe not- but medium to long term it will make things much worse. 

Scottish Power just announced they are doubling their investment in Uk to £24m and Amazon are investing  further £6m both to create jobs and wealth.

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15 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

. If it is as the Guardian predict 

They’re also saying plans are in ‘complete disarray’ as their headline tax hikes won’t bring anywhere near enough money in, if any at all. WHO would have thought it? 😂😂.

The only way they can bring in what they need is by breaking the spirit of their “triple tax lock”. Increase Employers NI & freeze tax bands for longer than previously planned.
 

They boxed themselves in when they didn’t need to & should have opposed Hunt’s NI cuts in the last parliament. This would have given them cover to increase them now. Those tax promises & their obsession with the OBR are going to cause them real problems in the short term. 

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6 hours ago, rooney said:

Scottish Power just announced they are doubling their investment in Uk to £24m and Amazon are investing  further £6m both to create jobs and wealth.

So absolute chicken feed then. I'll be interested to see the effects if they do whack up cgt as much as predicted. 

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13 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They’re also saying plans are in ‘complete disarray’ as their headline tax hikes won’t bring anywhere near enough money in, if any at all. WHO would have thought it? 😂😂.

The only way they can bring in what they need is by breaking the spirit of their “triple tax lock”. Increase Employers NI & freeze tax bands for longer than previously planned.
 

They boxed themselves in when they didn’t need to & should have opposed Hunt’s NI cuts in the last parliament. This would have given them cover to increase them now. Those tax promises & their obsession with the OBR are going to cause them real problems in the short term. 

No need to shout, or use capitals - get one of the carers to help you master your keyboard before you tackle bigboy tax issues.

Yes, the typewriter thing, no , it doesn't need a new ribbon....and stop putting Tippex on the screen.

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5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

So absolute chicken feed then. I'll be interested to see the effects if they do whack up cgt as much as predicted. 

It looks as though at least one, much larger, investment due to be announced is now under review.

https://news.sky.com/story/blow-to-no-10s-investment-summit-as-port-giant-pulls-1bn-announcement-over-pando-row-13231876

 

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27 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It looks as though at least one, much larger, investment due to be announced is now under review.

https://news.sky.com/story/blow-to-no-10s-investment-summit-as-port-giant-pulls-1bn-announcement-over-pando-row-13231876

 

Do we really want to reward firms who behave like that, and cut wages to less than a quarter of the UK minimum wage relying on labour from all around the developing world at the expense of British seafarers? Not exactly the high wage economy and sunlight uplands (or oceans) promised by Boris and Farage.

https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/article/1865749/p-o-ferries-mass-sackings-two-years-–-changed

Big words from Grant Schapps in 2022 but the actions and backbone didn’t match whatsoever https://www.newsletter.co.uk/business/tory-mps-refuse-to-vote-on-motion-against-po-ferry-owners-dp-world-after-claims-replacement-seafarers-paid-just-ps181-an-hour-3620904

Clearly the Tories did with Freeports. That said, there is an ongoing problem between Starmer and Reeves on the one side, and Rayner/the left of Labour. I reckon Rayner might be on thin ice.

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8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Do we really want to reward firms who behave like that, and cut wages to less than a quarter of the UK minimum wage relying on labour from all around the developing world at the expense of British seafarers?

https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/article/1865749/p-o-ferries-mass-sackings-two-years-–-changed

Big words from Grant Schapps in 2022 but the actions and backbone didn’t match whatsoever https://www.newsletter.co.uk/business/tory-mps-refuse-to-vote-on-motion-against-po-ferry-owners-dp-world-after-claims-replacement-seafarers-paid-just-ps181-an-hour-3620904

Clearly the Tories did with Freeports. That said, there is an ongoing problem between Starmer and Reeves on the one side, and Rayner/the left of Labour. I reckon Rayner might be on thin ice.

Sounds like Labour were more than happy to reward them up until the point that lefties in the cabinet mouthed off without thinking and they pulled out. 

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6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Alternatively tell some of the low IQ loudmouths in the cabinet to wire their jaws shut? 

I think that’s coming very shortly, I sense Rayner et al getting an Outlook invite to go and see Starmer and Reeves. The latter will be the most annoyed. Might be an excuse to get rid of a left winger and bring in someone from the Labour right.

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4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I think that’s coming very shortly, I sense Rayner et al getting an Outlook invite to go and see Starmer and Reeves. The latter will be the most annoyed. 

The left will go apeshit. If Starmer does get ousted over the next four years, they're going to be chomping at the bit to replace the Conservative in socialist clothing as they see it. 

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Just now, hypochondriac said:

The left will go apeshit. If Starmer does get ousted over the next four years, they're going to be chomping at the bit to replace the Conservative in socialist clothing as they see it. 

He won’t shed Rayner but tell her to rein it a bit. Haigh needs to tread carefully though. 

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14 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

He won’t shed Rayner but tell her to rein it a bit. Haigh needs to tread carefully though. 

I think it could happen eventually. I see no positive from having her in a prominent position. She'll probably get bumped in a reshuffle in a year or so. 

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40 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Do we really want to reward firms who behave like that, and cut wages to less than a quarter of the UK minimum wage relying on labour from all around the developing world at the expense of British seafarers? Not exactly the high wage economy and sunlight uplands (or oceans) promised by Boris and Farage.

https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/article/1865749/p-o-ferries-mass-sackings-two-years-–-changed

Big words from Grant Schapps in 2022 but the actions and backbone didn’t match whatsoever https://www.newsletter.co.uk/business/tory-mps-refuse-to-vote-on-motion-against-po-ferry-owners-dp-world-after-claims-replacement-seafarers-paid-just-ps181-an-hour-3620904

Clearly the Tories did with Freeports. That said, there is an ongoing problem between Starmer and Reeves on the one side, and Rayner/the left of Labour. I reckon Rayner might be on thin ice.


As @hypochondriac says, they'd clearly worked to make it a key part of the investment announcements.

This would have seemed to be a decision Labour would have to make between worker rights of a subsidiary and the investment of the group.

It seems the decision had been made to deal with the group. Labour had made the call.

That has been undermined by, not just MPs, but by cabinet members. Perhaps they didn't foresee the fall out, wanted the investment and to complain about it, or are just naive ?

Perhaps they will come out and say they don't want the investment with that group. Which really could have been dealt with before this stage.

Like you say, there's a clear split in the cabinet/ party if one side torpedoes the work done by the other.

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40 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think it could happen eventually. I see no positive from having her in a prominent position. She'll probably get bumped in a reshuffle in a year or so. 

I don’t think he can, isn’t it an elected position? 
 

She’s more popular than him anyway, he’s as unpopular as the hated hard right Farage 

 

 

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Alternatively tell some of the low IQ loudmouths in the cabinet to wire their jaws shut? 

That’s the problem with the country, no moral fibre and greedy for money over any principles. Right to call out P&O practices and shouldn’t keep quiet just in case the Middle East money men get upset. Akin to the nauseating sycophancy with Saudi sport. Yes your eminency/majesty, thank you your majesty for allowing us to promote your brilliant boxing. Oh look there’s Ronaldo in a gold lame suit. 
 

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3 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:


As @hypochondriac says, they'd clearly worked to make it a key part of the investment announcements.

This would have seemed to be a decision Labour would have to make between worker rights of a subsidiary and the investment of the group.

It seems the decision had been made to deal with the group. Labour had made the call.

That has been undermined by, not just MPs, but by cabinet members. Perhaps they didn't foresee the fall out, wanted the investment and to complain about it, or are just naive ?

Perhaps they will come out and say they don't want the investment with that group. Which really could have been dealt with before this stage.

Like you say, there's a clear split in the cabinet/ party if one side torpedoes the work done by the other.

It's because the ones mouthing off are the lefties used to being in perpetual opposition and able to say whatever they want without consequence. They're used to student politics but now they're in power they fail to realise that statements they make are finally listened to and there's consequences to their actions. 

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3 hours ago, whelk said:

That’s the problem with the country, no moral fibre and greedy for money over any principles. Right to call out P&O practices and shouldn’t keep quiet just in case the Middle East money men get upset. Akin to the nauseating sycophancy with Saudi sport. Yes your eminency/majesty, thank you your majesty for allowing us to promote your brilliant boxing. Oh look there’s Ronaldo in a gold lame suit. 
 

There's a time and a place to call out bad behaviour. It would be pretty naive to think that diplomacy doesn't sometimes mean shutting your trap every once in a while to get something you want. Hence Lammy will be staying quiet and smiling if Trump gets back in despite all the stuff he's said about him. Let's not pretend that Labour were not perfectly happy to take the P&O investment and grab the good headlines, only to have it ruined because a couple of their fringe weirdos aren't politically savvy enough to understand when to keep it shut. Hopefully they're booted out like Gray ASAP and maybe Starmer can start salvagong this thing. 

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On 10/10/2024 at 21:04, The Kraken said:

This news comes to you courtesy of Nick who for so long has been tireless in his condemnation of all governments down the years, and has definitely not allowed his preferred politics an easy ride at any time, no sir.

”if I had no self awareness, I think I’d know”.

So you think I didnt criticise the last gov?? lol. Yes im more right leaning but not to any barmy politics. You seem to be able to forgive anything that your preferred party is serving up.

So far they have given pay rises that will feed other workers to expect, all these costs go on to the final price. The doctors bill will also extra add ons eg NI and bulked up pensions, all coming out of the NHS budget. So they fill a hole (apparently 22BN) with one shovel while at the same digging the hole out at the same time.

I have just read that Rayner and co have balsed up a 1bn investment by P&O as they called them unscrupulous and exploitative  before an important meeting. 

It just shows how foolish these are when it comes to business and basic diplomacy. 

Potentially this will cost jobs, all of us will feel the pain and as always the poorest will be the ones who really hurt. All from a party who say they care for those people.

We hold our breath until the Budget, it is sad to see the pound at its lowest to the dollar for a long time, something that again costs us as consumers as all our energy is paid for in dollars.  Im not some kind of financial whizzkid but I do know we are heading for a very tough time and your heroes are adding to it

 

 

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2 minutes ago, OldNick said:

 

We hold our breath until the Budget, it is sad to see the pound at its lowest to the dollar for a long time, something that again costs us as consumers as all our energy is paid for in dollars.  Im not some kind of financial whizzkid but I do know we are heading for a very tough time and your heroes are adding to it

 

 

The pound is up 7.28% against the dollar over the last year, up 0.69% over the last 3 months, and nibbled up a wee bit yesterday.

Bias getting in the way of facts doesn't make for great discussion. 

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10 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

It's because the ones mouthing off are the lefties used to being in perpetual opposition and able to say whatever they want without consequence. They're used to student politics but now they're in power they fail to realise that statements they make are finally listened to and there's consequences to their actions. 

Haigh will be toast shortly as a minister reading that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r82pjd8gpo

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44 minutes ago, OldNick said:

So far they have given pay rises that will feed other workers to expect, all

How dare the working man get a pay rise eh. So much bs propagated and swallowed up. Starve the working classes and the economy will be fine. Same clueless twats then bang on about the need for growth. Fuck that let’s reduce everyone’s disposable income in real terms. 
 

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Good times podcast this week where they essentially say that the messaging has been complete crap. They understood that they had to make things look as terrible as possible to try to blame everything on the previous administration but it then requires a level of optimism about how they are going to fix things and about how they were going to make things better which is not a message they have communicated yet. You'd imagine the budget would be the big chance to try to start that so they better hope they have something really positive to report outside of the doom and gloom baiut the supposed black hole that hey apparently knew nothing about. 

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1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Haigh will be toast shortly as a minister reading that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r82pjd8gpo

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/11/dp-world-halts-1bn-uk-investment-over-po-ferries-row/

Telegraph and some others also keeping Rayner in the frame for her comments. Widely reported shadow comments about them being clueless, the investment uncertainty of having this before a budget, data protection breach by releasing email addresses, Haigh's previous on pay rises and Qatar selling Sainsbury stake citing budget uncertainty.

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3 hours ago, whelk said:

How dare the working man get a pay rise eh. So much bs propagated and swallowed up. Starve the working classes and the economy will be fine. Same clueless twats then bang on about the need for growth. Fuck that let’s reduce everyone’s disposable income in real terms. 
 

Where did I say not give people a wage rise?? If you believe 20% plus wage rises do not effect us all then you are a bit foolish. The doors have been opened and we will see if we can see modest wage rises or people believing if they get it why not us.

Do you also not realise that wage inflation comes around and bite us with the prices passed on to the man in the street. So everyones disposable income is squeezed.

Its like going back to Harold Wilson and his bunch

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4 hours ago, egg said:

The pound is up 7.28% against the dollar over the last year, up 0.69% over the last 3 months, and nibbled up a wee bit yesterday.

Bias getting in the way of facts doesn't make for great discussion. 

I saw that the pound was down on the dollar, yes it was up this year but that was more with the confidence of the last chancellor,(not that is much to go on).

The dollar is stronger against the pound this week and up more if you go back weeks. 'wee bit' still adds its costs to our economy

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Well let’s have a look shall we. Looks to me that, since the election, the currency market has been rather volatile but the rate has levelled off just a smidge higher than it was on election day. Which itself was the highest it had been for around a year.

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