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The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

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11 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The thing that makes no sense whatsoever is the value that the Musk-ites and the populists and the opportunists are putting on a "public enquiry". 

If back on, say. August 1st 2024 Kier Starmer had announced a full public enquiry into Grooming Gangs there is absolutely zero way that Musk or Rupert Lowe or Guido Fawkes or GB News or all these other divs would have been dancing in the streets about what a great move that was, well done Kier great job.

At best they wouldn't care much and at worst they would just say it's all just a platform for an establishment cover up. Years of chat and a report that pushes action into the long grass, another pointless government talking shop, jobs for the boys and a whitewash.

As we know, the last government did next to nothing with the output of the last enquiry.

If people really think a future enquiry is going to result in lots of brown people plus "do-gooder" social workers/evil council staff/other people they don't like are all going to get banged up, humilated, lined up and shot etc etc then they are going to be disappointed. 

Post Office enquiry - bad people banged up so far: zero. Maybe come 2027 there might be some criminal cases. 

The solutions to the problems in these areas are far to complicated for the twitterati to ever truly care about solving. All I can see is a load of opportunist posturing from people pretending that it's only them that care about child abuse.

 

Yep, I tend to lean towards the view that enquiries are often ineffectual and can be used as a political tool to push any action further into the  long grass. That said, if we're going to persist with enquiries (flawed as they might be) as a way of getting to the bottom of particular issues, then I don't see why they can't co-exist, in principle, if they are covering different facets.

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

That consideration is what has caused half the problems in the first place. Now that those in charge has admitted that there is an issue with rape gangs of Pakistani Heritage, there has to be an investigation that establishes the extent of the problem, the cultural issues that have led to this problem, how much of the problem has been fuelled by animus towards females of another race etc etc. We need an unvarnished and unbiased investigation or it fails the victims and potentially creates future victims. 

Having an investigation of this type whilst implementing the recommendations  of the broader investigation regarding child sexual abuse should not be difficult to do. It should cause no delay at all. Regarding blame, it's more about accountability. There are names of council members and politicians who turned a blind eye and have simply moved elsewhere with promotions or with nothing attached to them. Rather like the Post Office, a full enquiry will partly be about holding these people accountable and getting some justice for the victims where many guilty parties have still not been brought to justice. 

That's a considered response, thank you.  

I can't agree that there wouldn't be a delay, unless your suggestion is to implement now what has been suggested, then investigate, then alter our approach as per the findings and recommendations of any further enquiry. In principle I see no issue with that, but my fear is that what's been proposed won't be implemented pending a new enquiry. If that's so, we get delay  which potentially exposes more poor kids to harm. 

Your post office point is a very good one, and the civil enquiry has started to right wrongs and give accountability. 

You're winning me over. 

 

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1 hour ago, egg said:

That's a considered response, thank you.  

I can't agree that there wouldn't be a delay, unless your suggestion is to implement now what has been suggested, then investigate, then alter our approach as per the findings and recommendations of any further enquiry. In principle I see no issue with that, but my fear is that what's been proposed won't be implemented pending a new enquiry. If that's so, we get delay  which potentially exposes more poor kids to harm. 

Your post office point is a very good one, and the civil enquiry has started to right wrongs and give accountability. 

You're winning me over. 

 

Cheers for the response. What I would want to happen now is for the recommendations of the wider review to be implemented as soon as feasibly possible, then at the same time we can have an enquiry about this specific subset of child sexual abuse which seems quite specific and separate from the wider issue. If they're going to wait to implement anything before a wider enquiry then I agree that's stupid and there would be no need to. I can't see how further recommendations about the specifics of this issue would be likely to contradict what has already been implemented and where it may emphasise what has already been recommended, there is no harm in getting that implementation process underway. 

It's genuinely not an anti Muslim thing, I didn't pay a lot of attention to the specifics of this and I actually felt quite sick reading this a few weeks ago and understanding the extent of it. There's been a multitude of failings but there's undeniably a specific cultural issue here that has been largely buried and pushed away for fear of racism and actually this very real injustice is likely to make the problem of racism a lot worse if it isn't addressed. You would expect that reasonable people from the same communities would be equally disgusted by this and want to root it out from their societies. I'm sure that the average Pakistani Muslim has no desire to be associated with filth like this. 

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16 minutes ago, whelk said:

But but but Andrew Neil’s hit piece. Comments @hypochondriac?

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-have-third-strongest-g7-growth-2025-imf-forecasts-2025-01-17/

Given this is good news, one assumes the current government will be claiming the credit for this one rather than pinning it on the previous government, like they do bad news? I think that's how these kind of things work, isn't it...? <insert winky thing>

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18 minutes ago, trousers said:

Given this is good news, one assumes the current government will be claiming the credit for this one rather than pinning it on the previous government, like they do bad news? I think that's how these kind of things work, isn't it...? <insert winky thing>

Absolutely, if we don’t make it it’s Brexit’s fault

trousers

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1 minute ago, whelk said:

Absolutely, if we don’t make it it’s Brexit’s fault

Yep, I've seen that part of the script too... ;) 

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21 minutes ago, rooney said:

The City knows a thing or two.

These dumb city analysts clearly don’t realise the NI rise is going to cripple all businesses. Fools

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