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The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

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badgerx16

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  On 21/11/2024 at 09:10, AlexLaw76 said:

Old ships? It is an entire  capability that has now been killed off

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Albion and Bulwark were both mothballed by the last Government, and Northumberland is beyond economical repair due to structural failures.

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AlexLaw76

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  On 21/11/2024 at 14:56, badgerx16 said:

Albion and Bulwark were both mothballed by the last Government, and Northumberland is beyond economical repair due to structural failures.

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Err, they were under control on the primary contractor, with work packages to regenerate bulwark at least.

This has left the navy now negotiating with said contractor to take back control of a recently sold frigate 

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badgerx16

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  On 21/11/2024 at 16:39, AlexLaw76 said:

Err, they were under control on the primary contractor, with work packages to regenerate bulwark at least.

This has left the navy now negotiating with said contractor to take back control of a recently sold frigate 

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"What we’re actually seeing with HMS Bulwark is extended readiness, just under a different name. Despite previous announcements about returning to service, I think most people knew that was unlikely. The reality is that the ship is unlikely to be deployed for any significant operations. The notion of being ready ‘if required’ subtly but unmistakably points to this being the case.”

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-bulwark-unlikely-to-return-to-sea-unless-needed/

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AlexLaw76

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  On 21/11/2024 at 16:51, badgerx16 said:

"What we’re actually seeing with HMS Bulwark is extended readiness, just under a different name. Despite previous announcements about returning to service, I think most people knew that was unlikely. The reality is that the ship is unlikely to be deployed for any significant operations. The notion of being ready ‘if required’ subtly but unmistakably points to this being the case.”

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-bulwark-unlikely-to-return-to-sea-unless-needed/

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Of course that is going to be said. The real world is a regeneration programme just needed the commitment.

 

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badgerx16

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  On 21/11/2024 at 17:22, AlexLaw76 said:

Of course that is going to be said. The real world is a regeneration programme just needed the commitment.

 

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Which amounts to the ships being 'mothballed'' pending any decision to initiate the 'regeneration programme'. Neither Albion or Bulwark have been operational for at least 12 months, and the previous Government showed no inclination to act on bringing them back into service.

 Such a situation mirrors the Thatcher Government's actions in the Defence Review immediately before Argentina invaded the Falklands - the number of RN ships listed to be decommissioned was a significant factor in the Junta's perception that the UK would not try to counter their actions. ( Hermes was to be decommissioned, Invincible was to be sold to Australia, and both Intrepid and Fearless were to be listed as surplus to requirements as the Navy was pivoted to a predominantly anti-submarine force ).

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Gloucester Saint

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  On 20/11/2024 at 21:42, trousers said:

Anyone else seeing the irony in a Scottish Nationalist citing nationalism as a bad idea...? At least it'll give Alanis Morrisette a new verse should she ever feel the need to write a sophomore version of her most renowned piece of work... ;)

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Fair point 🙂

The jocks managed to stop short of the cliff edge and there were loads of hidden costs in their leave campaign, not least a lack of clarity of whether they could carry on using Sterling, whether the EC would let them join the Euro (very unlikely as Spain didn’t want the Basques kicking off) and/or the EU itself. 

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sadoldgit

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Can’t believe that anyone with any level of intelligence still falls for the guff on conspiracy theorist heaven that is X. 
Where was all this during the last 14 years of Tory rule hippo? You have suddenly woken up but hardly a peep out of you during one of the most corrupt and incompetent periods of government in our lifetime.

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Weston Super Saint

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  On 22/11/2024 at 10:53, hypochondriac said:

This sounds a bit conspiracy theory for my tastes, but given that Starmer has namechecked Blackrock directly, it's an interesting prediction nonetheless. Would explain the farmer strategy. 

https://x.com/DanielPriestley/status/1859888520740958371?t=PSIrwUF7tEaEpywJlJwN1Q&s=19

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When he started waffling on about illegal immigrant labour I made my mind up about him being certifiable.

hypochondriac

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  On 22/11/2024 at 11:41, sadoldgit said:

Can’t believe that anyone with any level of intelligence still falls for the guff on conspiracy theorist heaven that is X. 
Where was all this during the last 14 years of Tory rule hippo? You have suddenly woken up but hardly a peep out of you during one of the most corrupt and incompetent periods of government in our lifetime.

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hypochondriac

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  On 22/11/2024 at 11:44, Weston Super Saint said:

When he started waffling on about illegal immigrant labour I made my mind up about him being certifiable.

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Yes you are probably right. Like I said a bit too much of a conspiracy theory. It will be interesting to see what moves Blackrock does make in the UK though and also what hands farms do end up in. One claim is that young people who want to be farmers will be able to do so. Let's see if that happens. 

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AlexLaw76

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  On 22/11/2024 at 11:41, sadoldgit said:

Can’t believe that anyone with any level of intelligence still falls for the guff on conspiracy theorist heaven that is X. 
Where was all this during the last 14 years of Tory rule hippo? You have suddenly woken up but hardly a peep out of you during one of the most corrupt and incompetent periods of government in our lifetime.

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rallyboy

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  On 22/11/2024 at 10:53, hypochondriac said:

This sounds a bit conspiracy theory for my tastes, but given that Starmer has namechecked Blackrock directly, it's an interesting prediction nonetheless. Would explain the farmer strategy. 

https://x.com/DanielPriestley/status/1859888520740958371?t=PSIrwUF7tEaEpywJlJwN1Q&s=19

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Sounds absolutely bonkers - I think you were right initially.

Trust your gut feeling.

 

 

 

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sadoldgit

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  On 22/11/2024 at 13:10, rallyboy said:

Sounds absolutely bonkers - I think you were right initially.

Trust your gut feeling.

 

 

 

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His gut feeling was to take a conspiracy theory from X and spread it on another social media platform.

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Lord Duckhunter

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  On 25/11/2024 at 12:19, sadoldgit said:

This will probably rankle with the few on here who bring up Ched Evans every few months, but the majority of people who think that men taking advantage of women when intoxicated is wrong and needs to be dealt with as criminality will welcome this.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jess-phillips-details-spiking-laws-102156706.html

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There was me thinking spiking a birds drink was a criminal offence already. Is that what Ched did? 

Farmer Saint

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  On 25/11/2024 at 12:19, sadoldgit said:

This will probably rankle with the few on here who bring up Ched Evans every few months, but the majority of people who think that men taking advantage of women when intoxicated is wrong and needs to be dealt with as criminality will welcome this.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jess-phillips-details-spiking-laws-102156706.html

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Did Ched Evans spike her drink?

Turkish

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  On 26/11/2024 at 08:24, sadoldgit said:

This pretty much sums up the current state of affairs.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/25/two-million-voters-already-think-keir-starmers-team-should-be-relegated

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So exactly like those that didn’t like the result of the brexit referendum demanding another vote then? 


and those who took the streets screaming “not my prime minister” when Johnson won the last one?

 

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badgerx16

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  On 26/11/2024 at 08:24, sadoldgit said:

This pretty much sums up the current state of affairs.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/25/two-million-voters-already-think-keir-starmers-team-should-be-relegated

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ITV news ran a story on whether many of the 'signatures' were genuine.

Given that two thirds of those that voted in the GE didn't vote for Labour there are many more names that could be added to this pointless act of self-promotion by Farage - and what the fuck does it have to do with Elon Musk ?

Gloucester Saint

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  On 26/11/2024 at 08:54, badgerx16 said:

ITV news ran a story on whether many of the 'signatures' were genuine.

Given that two thirds of those that voted in the GE didn't vote for Labour there are many more names that could be added to this pointless act of self-promotion by Farage - and what the fuck does it have to do with Elon Musk ?

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Bot’s going on?

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Turkish

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  On 25/11/2024 at 12:19, sadoldgit said:

This will probably rankle with the few on here who bring up Ched Evans every few months, but the majority of people who think that men taking advantage of women when intoxicated is wrong and needs to be dealt with as criminality will welcome this.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jess-phillips-details-spiking-laws-102156706.html

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what a life! Trawling the internet all day to find random articles to make vague digs at people you dont like on a football forum 

 

hypochondriac

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Listened to a good Ian Hislop interview today. Essentially said "this lot aren't very good at explaining things. Politics is about bringing people with you." 

I think that's a good summary. It does seem like much of the wounds they have caused so far been self inflicted. Certainly their comms need work and selling proposals to the electorate. 

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rallyboy

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A minority of people who didn't like an election result want another one.

That's not how it works in the UK, and they knew that before the election.

#notnews

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badgerx16

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  On 26/11/2024 at 10:28, rallyboy said:

A minority of people who didn't like an election result want another one.

That's not how it works in the UK, and they knew that before the election.

#notnews

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True, so why is it being reported so widely ?

Turkish

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  On 26/11/2024 at 15:21, sadoldgit said:

This sums up social media and keyboard warriors nicely.

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Someone who things they’re ending racism by posting about it on football forum

someone who prides themselves on being the voice of reason calling out the bad guys on a football forum 

someone who regular goes ballistic with hate filled replies laced with all sorts of accusations 

could someone like that be described a a “keyboard warrior” one ponders 

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Weston Super Saint

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  On 29/11/2024 at 05:03, AlexLaw76 said:

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Apparently she does.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxy1kp73y9o

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Louise Haigh has resigned as transport secretary after pleading guilty to a criminal offence related to incorrectly telling police that a work mobile phone was stolen in 2013.

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What a load of nonsense though.

She shouldn't be forced out of her job for that.

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egg

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  On 29/11/2024 at 06:45, Weston Super Saint said:

Apparently she does.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxy1kp73y9o

 

What a load of nonsense though.

She shouldn't be forced out of her job for that.

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The problem is that in front line politics your past will always be a stick to beat you with, and the dopey people calling for a fresh election etc will judge her as if she's robbed a bank. In any other area of public service it wouldn't get a second mention, but in front line politics with her party under pressure, she's probably made the right call. 

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Gloucester Saint

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Susan Hall criticising that is like living in the Crystal Palace and throwing rocks at the glass houses of others. 

Starmer grabbed the opportunity to move on the left wingers on though, won’t be too upset.

Farmer Saint

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Shame - she has been convicted and been punished - really should be the end of it. She has left with honour and integrity as she left with absolutely no fuss.

Endemic of the press and the need for to break people.

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rallyboy

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That's like being done for doing 33mph.

Over the last decade we've had cabinet ministers literally stealing public money, taking bribes and carrying on, so it's difficult for the opposition to make anything of this.

Unless they can't spot the enormous trap they'd walk into.

 

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The Kraken

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  On 29/11/2024 at 08:51, rallyboy said:

Unless they can't spot the enormous trap they'd walk into.

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Well yeah, but that’s no given. And as Jamie Delldays shows time and again, hypocrisy is fine when it comes to politics.

FWIW I think she was right to fall on her sword. I don’t much like the press going through bins, but you can’t be transport secretary of the country with this on your record while trying to stand front and centre for a party that said “you can’t be a lawbreaker and a lawmaker”.

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tdmickey3

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  On 29/11/2024 at 08:45, Farmer Saint said:

Shame - she has been convicted and been punished - really should be the end of it. She has left with honour and integrity as she left with absolutely no fuss.

Endemic of the press and the need for to break people.

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Only the tory leaflet papers

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sadoldgit

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  On 29/11/2024 at 09:07, The Kraken said:

Well yeah, but that’s no given. And as Jamie Delldays shows time and again, hypocrisy is fine when it comes to politics.

FWIW I think she was right to fall on her sword. I don’t much like the press going through bins, but you can’t be transport secretary of the country with this on your record while trying to stand front and centre for a party that said “you can’t be a lawbreaker and a lawmaker”.

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Unless you are a Tory, apparently.

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badgerx16

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  On 29/11/2024 at 09:45, sadoldgit said:

The right wing apologist, right on cue. I think he missed the irony of using Batman here. 😂

Did she actually break any laws?

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She plead guilty to making a false report to the Police, inventing a false 'vicious' mugging to cover having lost her work phone, ( which it turns out wasn't lost ).

So yes, she did.

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The Kraken

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  On 29/11/2024 at 09:07, The Kraken said:

FWIW I think she was right to fall on her sword. I don’t much like the press going through bins, but you can’t be transport secretary of the country with this on your record while trying to stand front and centre for a party that said “you can’t be a lawbreaker and a lawmaker”.

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  On 29/11/2024 at 09:28, sadoldgit said:

Unless you are a Tory, apparently.

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That literally makes no sense whatsoever to the post you were responding to.

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