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The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

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Farmer Saint

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  On 03/11/2024 at 21:39, Whitey Grandad said:

I tend to agree but my concern is that what they call ‘investment’ is actually going to be more subsidies. In my world investment should lead to returns somewhere down the line.

Infrastructure is what we are badly lacking.

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Let's wait and see. We don't know ATM. Criticism should not be made on predictions and forecasts, but on performance.

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hypochondriac

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Absolutely pathetic from whoever this is inside labour. Besides they've got Lammy who has his position due to his skin colour so not sure why they need more tokenism. Give people positions on merit ffs. 

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whelk

whelk

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  On 03/11/2024 at 21:58, hypochondriac said:

Absolutely pathetic from whoever this is inside labour. Besides they've got Lammy who has his position due to his skin colour so not sure why they need more tokenism. Give people positions on merit ffs. 

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You’d almost think it a spoof but no. Labour are such idiots at times.

“Labour sources said the WhatsApp group for Labour MPs of colour contained some furious messages from those who believe the party is not doing enough to represent black, Asian and other minority ethnic groups at the top of government.” 
 

Bet that WhatsApp group is a barrel of laughs 

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hypochondriac

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  On 03/11/2024 at 22:12, whelk said:

You’d almost think it a spoof but no. Labour are such idiots at times.

“Labour sources said the WhatsApp group for Labour MPs of colour contained some furious messages from those who believe the party is not doing enough to represent black, Asian and other minority ethnic groups at the top of government.” 
 

Bet that WhatsApp group is a barrel of laughs 

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It will be full of grievance and race baiting. Sometimes labour does the odd thing that makes me think they deserve a bit more support from me and then I remember the party is full of these types of people and I quickly suppress that feeling. 

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skintsaint

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  On 03/11/2024 at 22:12, whelk said:

You’d almost think it a spoof but no. Labour are such idiots at times.

“Labour sources said the WhatsApp group for Labour MPs of colour contained some furious messages from those who believe the party is not doing enough to represent black, Asian and other minority ethnic groups at the top of government.” 
 

Bet that WhatsApp group is a barrel of laughs 

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Hope they don't diverge too much info in that group as WhatsApp is far from a secure messaging platform.

iansums

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  On 03/11/2024 at 21:39, Whitey Grandad said:

I tend to agree but my concern is that what they call ‘investment’ is actually going to be more subsidies. In my world investment should lead to returns somewhere down the line.

Infrastructure is what we are badly lacking.

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My main concern is throwing extra money at the NHS, will it make much difference without massive reform, not just a bit of tinkering?

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sadoldgit

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  On 04/11/2024 at 12:30, iansums said:

My main concern is throwing extra money at the NHS, will it make much difference without massive reform, not just a bit of tinkering?

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Streeting has made it clear that the NHS needs to be reformed. I believe that he is putting a cross party committee together to look at it and come up with a 10 year plan.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-issues-rallying-cry-to-the-nation-to-help-fix-nhs

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 05/11/2024 at 09:16, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s a shock if they actually stick to something they said previously. Tuition fees being the latest. 

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Being cynical it helps offset the NI increases and tucked away from the main budget statement. However, the previous lot kicked the can down the road for 9 years stoking phoney culture wars on free speech and appointing imbeciles like Gavin ‘go jump out of a window’ Williamson so it still puts Phillipson one up on them (not saying very much I admit). A more sustainable model is needed though.

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pingpong

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  On 05/11/2024 at 09:16, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s a shock if they actually stick to something they said previously. Tuition fees being the latest. 

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I'd have more sympathy for that if they had changed since the election, but this was on the cards before the election and is exactly what people voted for. They said back in may that there would be tough decisions needed to tackle the NHS crisis and the budget is true to their statements made before the vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/24/keir-starmer-tuition-fees-pledge-prioritise-tackling-nhs-crisis

 

hypochondriac

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OK then so the first few months of the Labour government has seen lower growth than there were under the Tories. Given they've been talking about going for growth, they better turn things around quickly if they want people to vote for the again in future. 

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hypochondriac

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  On 15/11/2024 at 12:59, whelk said:

Yeah better start panicking with the next election so close

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I didn't say or think that. Well aware of when the next election will be thanks. Early Tory incompetence at the start of their last election win stored up resentment that contributed to their loss. The same thing will happen with Labour if they can't turn things around. 

whelk

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  On 15/11/2024 at 13:05, hypochondriac said:

I didn't say or think that. Well aware of when the next election will be thanks. Early Tory incompetence at the start of their last election win stored up resentment that contributed to their loss. The same thing will happen with Labour if they can't turn things around. 

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You were the one who said ‘quickly’. It clearly doesn’t have to be however many people in your feeds are getting excitable 

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hypochondriac

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  On 15/11/2024 at 13:10, whelk said:

You were the one who said ‘quickly’. It clearly doesn’t have to be however many people in your feeds are getting excitable 

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Perceptions are quickly set and difficult to shake off. At best the budget has gone down neutrally and from some businesses rather poorly. I'll be watching with interest the financial performances of America and the UK given they appear to be on diametrically opposed paths. 

sadoldgit

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  On 15/11/2024 at 11:45, hypochondriac said:

OK then so the first few months of the Labour government has seen lower growth than there were under the Tories. Given they've been talking about going for growth, they better turn things around quickly if they want people to vote for the again in future. 

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Remind us again how concerned you were for the Tories and the nation when Osbourne announced austerity and Liz Truss crashed the economy.

Shocking isn’t it that Labour have been in power for 4 months but haven’t managed to turn the country around yet!

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hypochondriac

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  On 15/11/2024 at 13:14, sadoldgit said:

Remind us again how concerned you were for the Tories and the nation when Osbourne announced austerity and Liz Truss crashed the economy.

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Liz truss in particular was total shit and she deservedly got booted out quickly. It was one big reason that the Conservatives were rightly booted out at the last election. I don't get your point. 

SotonianWill

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  On 15/11/2024 at 13:16, hypochondriac said:

Liz truss in particular was total shit and she deservedly got booted out quickly. It was one big reason that the Conservatives were rightly booted out at the last election. I don't get your point. 

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The funny thing is Labour MPs would be parading 'round the streets if they achieved the measly growth of the Tory austerity years, let alone the growth figures of 2022 despite Liz Truss (4.35% increase in GDP). 

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whelk

whelk

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  On 15/11/2024 at 13:25, SotonianWill said:

The funny thing is Labour MPs would be parading 'round the streets if they achieved the measly growth of the Tory austerity years, let alone the growth figures of 2022 despite Liz Truss (4.35% increase in GDP). 

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Don’t forget the stunning fall off in shoplifting when shops were closed during lockdown.
Can you work out what the spike was due to? IMG_0256.thumb.jpeg.be46e004f4fbe013b67e3b5bf19175e5.jpeg

 

clue:

 

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Gloucester Saint

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Starting to undo some of the worst of a disastrous hard Brexit will repair a bit of the damage from 2019 by the next election. NHS waiting lists down, trains running and with Gray stepping out the backstabbing in public has stopped. Outside of the small Conservative bubble, most people are enjoying the lack of public drama. Added to the fact the opposition has selected Badenoch with Mr Corrupt Nits Haircut already undermining her (not that she needs that to fail).

The only parties who will gain much ground in 2028 or 29 will be Lib Dem’s and Reform.

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whelk

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  On 15/11/2024 at 13:51, Gloucester Saint said:

Starting to undo some of the worst of a disastrous hard Brexit will repair a bit of the damage from 2019 by the next election. NHS waiting lists down, trains running and with Gray stepping out the backstabbing in public has stopped. Outside of the small Conservative bubble, most people are enjoying the lack of public drama. Added to the fact the opposition has selected Badenoch with Mr Corrupt Nits Haircut already undermining her (not that she needs that to fail).

The only parties who will gain much ground in 2028 or 29 will be Lib Dem’s and Reform. I am seriously unimpressed with so many of the Labour MPs. Not so much Starmer and some of the Cabinet but so many seem to have so little about them and just come across as generally wet. 

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Fucked up that as appended my post to yours. 

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sadoldgit

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  On 15/11/2024 at 13:25, SotonianWill said:

The funny thing is Labour MPs would be parading 'round the streets if they achieved the measly growth of the Tory austerity years, let alone the growth figures of 2022 despite Liz Truss (4.35% increase in GDP). 

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Parading around the streets, really? 😂

I seem to remember the right wing media crowing about what a wonderful budget Truss came up with or, metaphorically speaking, parading around the streets. I don’t think the current government or are that incompetent or that much full of themselves but maybe wait until they have been in power for a reasonable amount of time before judging their performance?

whelk

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  On 15/11/2024 at 14:02, whelk said:

I am seriously unimpressed with so many of the Labour MPs. Not so much Starmer and some of the Cabinet but so many seem to have so little about them and just come across as generally wet. 

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Gloucester Saint

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The only way to crack economic growth is to tackle productivity- this is a long-term issue with roots in the financial crisis, worsened by austerity and a hard Brexit poured petrol on it and set it on fire.

https://www.productivity.ac.uk/news/what-explains-the-uks-productivity-problem/

This explains the issue in simple terms - we’re the worst in the G7 for productivity. We work the longest hours but with the least outcomes https://www.economicsobservatory.com/how-can-the-uk-revive-its-ailing-productivity

Education, skills and training, transport, all of those variables are why we are 10-25% behind France, Germany, USA. 

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whelk

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  On 15/11/2024 at 14:04, hypochondriac said:

You could apply that to the majority of MPs. Social media has made everyone scared of having convictions and it's all baiut soundbites and sticking to the party line. Tedious and deeply uninspiring. 

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They should ditch social media and be braver. Most of us have ability to spot sincerity and actually respect it more even if disagree with it than the scripted bollocks from head office. It is all so transient anyway

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hypochondriac

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  On 15/11/2024 at 14:10, whelk said:

They should ditch social media and be braver. Most of us have ability to spot sincerity and actually respect it more even if disagree with it than the scripted bollocks from head office. It is all so transient anyway

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100% agree. People can rightly hate Donald Trump but he isn't scripted and basically says whatever he likes which means he comes across as more authentic. I'd like some more authenticity in UK politics and like you say delete their social media and tell us what you really think. 

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rallyboy

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  On 15/11/2024 at 14:23, hypochondriac said:

Donald Trump isn't scripted and basically says whatever he likes which means he comes across as more authentic.

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Authentic is one word for it... 

 

As far as the UK goes we tried exciting character MPs and look where it got us, appoint clowns, get a circus - I'd be quite happy for a couple of years if we could just have some really dull ones who do the fucking job right.

 

 

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hypochondriac

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  On 15/11/2024 at 17:45, rallyboy said:

Authentic is one word for it... 

 

As far as the UK goes we tried exciting character MPs and look where it got us, appoint clowns, get a circus - I'd be quite happy for a couple of years if we could just have some really dull ones who do the fucking job right.

 

 

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I said comes across as more authentic than Kamala Harris which clearly he did. I wasn't asking about exciting characters necessarily, just intelligent, principled politicians with substance who are able to articulate their ideas clearly and maybe be a bit inspiring as well. Those type of people are in rather short supply in Westminster whereas a few decades ago there were a number across all parties. 

whelk

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  On 15/11/2024 at 17:49, hypochondriac said:

I said comes across as more authentic than Kamala Harris which clearly he did. I wasn't asking about exciting characters necessarily, just intelligent, principled politicians with substance who are able to articulate their ideas clearly and maybe be a bit inspiring as well. Those type of people are in rather short supply in Westminster whereas a few decades ago there were a number across all parties. 

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David Miliband, Andy Burnham, Alan Johnson are good examples. Definitely not clowns and whether you agree with what they say or not they come across as authentic and can debate and answer on their feet. I’d put Rees Mogg in that category as well as much as I loathe him.

Painful to see some MPs not even capable of memorising their questions in HofC. Having said that we don’t want Elton debating society of blaggers with style over substance. Alan Whitehead was not really inspirational but genuine and a good MP.
 

Alan Johnson’s memoir is a very good read btw. That chap knew poverty.

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hypochondriac

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  On 15/11/2024 at 18:18, whelk said:

David Miliband, Andy Burnham, Alan Johnson are good examples. Definitely not clowns and whether you agree with what they say or not they come across as authentic and can debate and answer on their feet. I’d put Rees Mogg in that category as well as much as I loathe him.

Painful to see some MPs not even capable of memorising their questions in HofC. Having said that we don’t want Elton debating society of blaggers with style over substance. Alan Whitehead was not really inspirational but genuine and a good MP.
 

Alan Johnson’s memoir is a very good read btw. That chap knew poverty.

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Agree with all of that, particularly Alan Whitehead who I knew to be a really good bloke and who I voted for a few times. Glad we could find some common ground at least. 

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sadoldgit

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  On 15/11/2024 at 14:23, hypochondriac said:

100% agree. People can rightly hate Donald Trump but he isn't scripted and basically says whatever he likes which means he comes across as more authentic. I'd like some more authenticity in UK politics and like you say delete their social media and tell us what you really think. 

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Authentic? WTF? 😂

Have you actually listened to some of the gibberish he has spouted during the recent campaign? He is authentic ok, an authentic sex offender, liar, grifter and self promoter.

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badgerx16

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I wonder if occasionally if the Government and Police say "There is no terrorist link" then there is actually no terrorist link, and consequently no misinformation passed to the public.

rallyboy

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Starmer played a critical role in the stabbing of three children?

Desperate, desperate misinformation - written by a total fuckwit to arouse fellow fuckwits.

Just one more reason why Twitter is dying before your eyes.

 

 

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Farmer Saint

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  On 17/11/2024 at 17:42, rallyboy said:

Starmer played a critical role in the stabbing of three children?

Desperate, desperate misinformation - written by a total fuckwit to arouse fellow fuckwits.

Just one more reason why Twitter is dying before your eyes.

 

 

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Do people still use Twitter? Or is it just a rightwing echo-chamber?

Just seems to be full of angry "Theitukrrjaaabss" types.

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