hypochondriac Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 15:46, badgerx16 said: Are the Tories justified in trying to derail the Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill by introducing a last minute amendment calling for a national enquiry, and thereby risking the blocking of the safeguards and protections the Bill is intended to provide ? Expand What are the reasons for not wanting a national enquiry?
badgerx16 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 15:47, hypochondriac said: What are the reasons for not wanting a national enquiry? Expand The point is that in the very unlikely event the amendment is passed, the entire Bill falls. ( Not that they were bothered when they were in power ). By all means raise the issue and debate whether an enquiry is necessary, but why play politics in this manner ? 1
hypochondriac Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 12:29, sadoldgit said: So Kemi Badenoch has now decided that the Asian grooming gangs issue is a national scandal. It is odd that it wasn’t such a big deal when her party was in power and it is odd, as it was a national scandal, that her party did absolutely nothing to implement the 20 action points from the last report. It seems that things are only a national scandal when you are desperate to deflect from your own incompetence and are desperate to score political points but have little to fight with. She talks about smearing British Muslims ignoring the fact that Jenrick does it on a regular basis. No support either for another female MP who has faced death threats following Musks racist and defamatory comments Expand He called Jess Phillips a rape apologist which is absolutely disgusting. I think you've also done the same thing on here but there really is no place for that kind of language in polite society:
hypochondriac Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 15:50, badgerx16 said: The point is that in the very unlikely event the amendment is passed, the entire Bill falls. ( Not that they were bothered when they were in power ). By all means raise the issue and debate whether an enquiry is necessary, but why play politics in this manner ? Expand If Labour supported an enquiry there'd be no need for an amendment.
badgerx16 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) On 08/01/2025 at 17:05, hypochondriac said: If Labour supported an enquiry there'd be no need for an amendment. Expand But this Bill would not be the appropriate way to introduce it, the amendment gives nothing additional to the Bill, it is deliberately destructive and distracting.. The Tories could have created an enquiry in 2022, 2023, or 2024, but chose not to. As I said, there may well be scope for the possibility of such an enquiry to be debated, but playing such pathetic games is unseemly. Edited January 8 by badgerx16 1
hypochondriac Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 17:10, badgerx16 said: But this Bill would not be the appropriate way to introduce it, the amendment gives nothing additional to the Bill, it is deliberately destructive and distracting.. The Tories could have created an enquiry in 2022, 2023, or 2024, but chose not to. As I said, there may well be scope for the possibility of such an enquiry to be debated, but playing such pathetic games is unseemly. Expand I know the tories coukd have called for one earlier and they are culpable for not doing so. Good that they are calling for one now though.
whelk Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 17:05, hypochondriac said: If Labour supported an enquiry there'd be no need for an amendment. Expand I think you need to school up on Parliamentary legislative process and not be played
whelk Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 17:21, hypochondriac said: I know the tories coukd have called for one earlier and they are culpable for not doing so. Good that they are calling for one now though. Expand They are absolutely pathetic. Weak as piss trying to look tough. The worst of politics yet some seem impressed. Comical 3
hypochondriac Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 19:49, whelk said: I think you need to school up on Parliamentary legislative process and not be played Expand Voted down as it was always going to be.
tdmickey3 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 08/01/2025 at 15:33, whelk said: There has been plenty on the Musk thread. Your mate comes along and brandishes everyone Islamophobes etc and gets what he deserves/wants/needs. Expand He`s not my mate 1
Turkish Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 08:05, tdmickey3 said: He`s not my mate Expand Yet on the rare times you do post anything it's always defending him....... 1
rallyboy Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 08:05, tdmickey3 said: He`s not my mate Expand I can only see one group of mates on here. Most posters are casual visitors just giving valid opinions or correcting people who make things up. 1 1
whelk Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 09:34, rallyboy said: can only see one group of mates on here Expand Interested in who you see as mates. Do you think everyone who piles into SOG are mates?
rallyboy Posted January 9 Posted January 9 No, not everyone, not at all. But you'll probably have also noticed a couple of accounts that operate in unison... 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Shouldn’t this be on the Musk thread. Large scale conspiracy involving multi log ins, and the abuse of SOG? 1
Turkish Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) On 09/01/2025 at 09:53, rallyboy said: No, not everyone, not at all. But you'll probably have also noticed a couple of accounts that operate in unison... Expand Im mates with loads of posters. I am in charge of the CoT and our whatapps group @CB Fry @egg @Dman @Weston Super Saint all regularly meet up for beers and banter and talk about SOG I have already got 784 followers on my threads page @turkishtips as to how to boost your internet forum credibility Obviously as leader of the DEF the most notorious football crew in history i got to keep my circle there tight to avoid alerting the old bill as to our movements Me and @Lord Duckhunter go down the alehouse sink a few pints and nail an 8 pinter every now and again. Plus i have 30 other logins that like all my posts and we all love each other Just because no one likes you, be like Millwall, no one likes you, you dont care. Edited January 9 by Turkish 2 6 1
hypochondriac Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 09:53, rallyboy said: No, not everyone, not at all. But you'll probably have also noticed a couple of accounts that operate in unison... Expand Or maybe loads of completely separate posters are in unison over one poster because he's such a buffoon that he's the ultimate unifying presence. Just a thought. 1 1
egg Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 09:53, rallyboy said: No, not everyone, not at all. But you'll probably have also noticed a couple of accounts that operate in unison... Expand Are you suggesting multi logins, bandwagon jumping, or something else?
Turkish Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 12:40, egg said: Are you suggesting multi logins, bandwagon jumping, or something else? Expand He must be talking about SOG and TD Micky, they're the only accounts ive noticed that operate in unison. 1 1
egg Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) On 09/01/2025 at 12:41, Turkish said: He must be talking about SOG and TD Micky, they're the only accounts ive noticed that operate in unison. Expand My observation of trends is that a SoG post is guaranteed a like by TD, often a laughing emoji by Hypo and sometimes east stand nic, and that most other people react with comments and emojis as befits the post. I used to be benevolent to SoG and although I think too many people play the poster not the post, he doesn't help himself, and I'm still convinced he's on a wind up or is some kind of abuse masochist. Edited January 9 by egg 2 1
Tamesaint Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 12:53, egg said: I'm still convinced he's on a wind up or is some kind of abuse masochist. Expand Be careful!! Turkish will be after you if you dare to think like this. 2
Turkish Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 12:53, egg said: My observation of trends is that a SoG post is guaranteed a like by TD, often a laughing emoji by Hypo and sometimes east stand nic, and that most other people react with comments and emojis as befits the post. I used to be benevolent to SoG and although I think too many people play the post not the poster, he doesn't help himself and I'm still convinced he's on a wind up or is some kind of abuse masochist. Expand A day in the life of Micky
tdmickey3 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 14:11, Turkish said: A day in the life of Micky Expand Are you obsessed with me now...
Turkish Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 14:12, tdmickey3 said: Are you obsessed with me now... Expand Appears to be the other way round 1
tdmickey3 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) On 09/01/2025 at 14:15, Turkish said: Appears to be the other way round Expand I react because I think a post is funny whereas you quote people and search their activity, I cant be bothered to irrespective of all that, I just think you are a bit of a prick Edited January 9 by tdmickey3 1
Turkish Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) On 09/01/2025 at 14:33, tdmickey3 said: I react because I think a post is funny whereas you quote people and search their activity, I cant be bothered to irrespective of all that, I just think you are a bit of a prick Expand Edited January 9 by Turkish
badgerx16 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) To be clear, this is the amendment the Tories and Reform supported. "That this House, while welcoming measures to improve child protection and safeguarding, declines to give a Second Reading to the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill because it undermines the long-standing combination of school freedom and accountability that has led to educational standards rising in England, effectively abolishes academy freedoms which have been integral to that success and is regressive in approach, leading to worse outcomes for pupils; because it ends freedom over teacher pay, making it harder to attract and retain good teachers; because it ends freedom over Qualified Teacher Status, making teacher recruitment harder; because it removes school freedoms over the curriculum, leading to less innovation; because repealing the requirements for failing schools to become academies and for all new schools to be academies will undermine school improvement and remove the competition which has led to rising standards; because the Bill will make it harder for good schools to expand, reducing parental choice and access to a good education; and calls upon the Government to develop new legislative proposals for children’s wellbeing at the same time as establishing a national statutory inquiry into historical child sexual exploitation, focused on grooming gangs." The first highlighted text shows the original purpose of the amendment, the second was a late addition to hide their intentions. Edited January 9 by badgerx16
sadoldgit Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 14:41, Turkish said: Expand I think what you meant to say is a narcissist doesn’t concern himself with the opinions of normal, well adjusted people. 4
The Kraken Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 23:04, sadoldgit said: I think what you meant to say is a narcissist doesn’t concern himself with the opinions of normal, well adjusted people. Expand No need to talk about yourself in the third person. 2
Turkish Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 09/01/2025 at 23:04, sadoldgit said: I think what you meant to say is a narcissist doesn’t concern himself with the opinions of normal, well adjusted people. Expand that must be why you ignore everyone on here and continue ploughing your lonely furrow.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 10/01/2025 at 09:35, Turkish said: that must be why you ignore everyone on here and continue ploughing your lonely furrow. Expand "ploughing your lonely furrow" probably feeds into his self image as a beacon of justice in the face of enemies, rather than the hateful, intolerant person all sides are realising he is. 1
sadoldgit Posted February 12 Author Posted February 12 Kemi still not getting the hang of PMQs. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/12/starmer-law-101-kemikaze-crash-pmqs 1
rooney Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 12/02/2025 at 22:30, sadoldgit said: Kemi still not getting the hang of PMQs. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/12/starmer-law-101-kemikaze-crash-pmqs Expand KS certainly hung her out to dry at yesterdays PMQ's 1
egg Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 13/02/2025 at 07:40, rooney said: KS certainly hung her out to dry at yesterdays PMQ's Expand It was brutal, but deserved. "Her script doesn't allow her to listen to the answer" was brilliant. I'm not sure I can remember a less intelligent Tory leader. 1 1
rallyboy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 She wasted every question, it was a pathetic performance. What ever the flavour of government is, a strong opposition is a sensible idea. But surrounded by the bewildered halfwit survivors of The Johnson and Sunak Corruption Clusterfuck, Kemi is making Ed Davey look like Nelson Mandela. 4
Jeremy Corbyn Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I thought the Tories would do anything to avoid another leader turnover but she's objectively really poor. Labour are hardly popular at the moment but she's pretty much single handedly keeping them in the game. I think the Tories will pull the plug at the first opportunity to avoid getting cemented in 3rd place. 4
Tamesaint Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 13/02/2025 at 10:53, Jeremy Corbyn said: I thought the Tories would do anything to avoid another leader turnover but she's objectively really poor. Labour are hardly popular at the moment but she's pretty much single handedly keeping them in the game. I think the Tories will pull the plug at the first opportunity to avoid getting cemented in 3rd place. Expand Unless the MPs can take control of the selection process, as they did when Sunak was shoehorned in, any new leader will be another deadbeat. Tory members are so out of touch with the rest of the country they will want another Kemi / Truss type. 1
sadoldgit Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 On 13/02/2025 at 10:53, Jeremy Corbyn said: I thought the Tories would do anything to avoid another leader turnover but she's objectively really poor. Labour are hardly popular at the moment but she's pretty much single handedly keeping them in the game. I think the Tories will pull the plug at the first opportunity to avoid getting cemented in 3rd place. Expand She just doesn’t listen. I actually felt embarrassed for her in PMQs yesterday. Starmer must relish PMQs whereas even Blair used to dread them. The Tories are between a rock and a hard place. Do they go through another drama of a leadership contest or do they stick with what they have in the hope that Badenoch loses her arrogance and learns how to become a party leader. Farage has them by the short and curlies. They are so concerned about Reform that they seem more intent over a fight over 2nd and 3rd rather than showing voters that they have learnt from their mistakes are can be trusted with government again. Farage has done what he does well. He gets everyone talking about immigration. As with Trump, he blames all of our ills on foreigners when the real major issues are elsewhere. He is playing Badenoch like a cheap fiddle.
Turkish Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 13/02/2025 at 13:55, sadoldgit said: She just doesn’t listen. I actually felt embarrassed for her in PMQs yesterday. Starmer must relish PMQs whereas even Blair used to dread them. The Tories are between a rock and a hard place. Do they go through another drama of a leadership contest or do they stick with what they have in the hope that Badenoch loses her arrogance and learns how to become a party leader. Farage has them by the short and curlies. They are so concerned about Reform that they seem more intent over a fight over 2nd and 3rd rather than showing voters that they have learnt from their mistakes are can be trusted with government again. Farage has done what he does well. He gets everyone talking about immigration. As with Trump, he blames all of our ills on foreigners when the real major issues are elsewhere. He is playing Badenoch like a cheap fiddle. Expand Strong men create good time, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, bad time create strong men the issue is too many weak people like you. Selfish, arrogant, ignorant, blaming everyone else for their problems, taking no responsibility for their behaviour, racist and bigoted as they arrogantly tell everyone else what they should be doing, constantly jumping on bandwagons to appear nice people. luckily this is cyclical so we are now seeing strong men guide us out of the bad times. 1 1 1
Weston Super Saint Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 14/02/2025 at 07:24, Turkish said: Strong men create good time, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, bad time create strong men the issue is too many weak people like you. Selfish, arrogant, ignorant, blaming everyone else for their problems, taking no responsibility for their behaviour, racist and bigoted as they arrogantly tell everyone else what they should be doing, constantly jumping on bandwagons to appear nice people. luckily this is cyclical so we are now seeing strong men guide us out of the bad times. Expand And, of course, women in Kemi's case. All are equal on God's great planet.
Turkish Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 14/02/2025 at 08:05, Weston Super Saint said: And, of course, women in Kemi's case. All are equal on God's great planet. Expand talking of weak men looks he's laughed at the post. The guy who will tell everyone who will listen how much he hates racism when he's typing on a football forum yet when he had to chance to stick up for someone who was being racially abused in real life he shat himself and decided his career was more important that doing the right thing. I rest my case 1
aintforever Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 14/02/2025 at 08:59, Turkish said: talking of weak men looks he's laughed at the post. The guy who will tell everyone who will listen how much he hates racism when he's typing on a football forum yet when he had to chance to stick up for someone who was being racially abused in real life he shat himself and decided his career was more important that doing the right thing. I rest my case Expand Wow you really are obsessed. You are just making shit up now. Who was racially abused?
Turkish Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) On 14/02/2025 at 09:11, aintforever said: Wow you really are obsessed. You are just making shit up now. Who was racially abused? Expand Oh come on pal, on several occasions in the past you told us how someone was being racist in your work place and rather than sticking up for them you bottled it and turned a blind eye, you even admitted you were worried about now doing the right thing might negatively impact your career. Like i said, weak but not only weak now a liar, forgetful and not very bright. oh dear. Edited February 14 by Turkish
aintforever Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 14/02/2025 at 09:30, Turkish said: Oh come on pal, on several occasions in the past you told us how someone was being racist in your work place and rather than sticking up for them you bottled it and turned a blind eye, you even admitted you were worried about now doing the right thing might negatively impact your career. Like i said, weak but not only weak now a liar, forgetful and not very bright. oh dear. Expand You clearly have memory problem, someone made a generic racist comment, no-one was abused. I have already explained that back then I was not as woke and was just out of uni so didn't respond, Would definitely say something now though if I heard the same (which I wouldn't because we are all more woke now, even you if you are brave enough to admit it). In my opinion weak men are those who have to appear to be cool and think they are acting hard by being anti-woke. It's piss easy to join in and take the piss out of trans-gender people, laugh along with the homophobic jokes or go along with ignorant racism just because others around them do without thinking about how it effects others. You are the pussy. 1 2
Turkish Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) On 14/02/2025 at 09:42, aintforever said: You clearly have memory problem, someone made a generic racist comment, no-one was abused. I have already explained that back then I was not as woke and was just out of uni so didn't respond, Would definitely say something now though if I heard the same (which I wouldn't because we are all more woke now, even you if you are brave enough to admit it). In my opinion weak men are those who have to appear to be cool and think they are acting hard by being anti-woke. It's piss easy to join in and take the piss out of trans-gender people, laugh along with the homophobic jokes or go along with ignorant racism just because others around them do without thinking about how it effects others. You are the pussy. Expand Im not surprised you're getting all defensive. Someone was being openly racist and you stood back and let them carry on because you were more worried about how doing the right thing might impact you than doing it. Course you’d “definitely say something now” for one it’s easy to be brave after the event, it's easy to type from behind your screen what you'd definitely do now and the bandwagon says it’s not acceptable any more so you'd have loads of support. Too bad when you had the chance you were too weak to do anything. Like I said, weak. Edited February 14 by Turkish 1
sadoldgit Posted February 18 Author Posted February 18 (edited) So Badenoch is hitching her wagon to the Trump/Vance/Musk brigade. No policies just populism. Invent enemies and then whip up the hatred. It clearly works for some. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/17/kemi-badenoch-western-civilisation-will-be-lost-tory-party-fails So our Kemi is intolerant about someone taking the knee against racial intolerance? Are we now expected to take to the streets to fight against pronouns? We have one Farage. We don’t need another one. Edited February 18 by sadoldgit 1
sadoldgit Posted February 23 Author Posted February 23 “Honest” Bob caught out again. People in glass houses etc. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-robert-jenrick-forced-correct-34731218.amp
Gloucester Saint Posted February 23 Posted February 23 On 23/02/2025 at 11:02, sadoldgit said: “Honest” Bob caught out again. People in glass houses etc. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-robert-jenrick-forced-correct-34731218.amp Expand It’s depressing though from whoever it is - Jenrick, Schapps, Reeves, Reynolds. Gift to populists with their own shady sources of funding (Nick Candy). And a stain on the offices they hold/held.
sadoldgit Posted February 23 Author Posted February 23 On 23/02/2025 at 11:18, Gloucester Saint said: It’s depressing though from whoever it is - Jenrick, Schapps, Reeves, Reynolds. Gift to populists with their own shady sources of funding (Nick Candy). And a stain on the offices they hold/held. Expand I’m sure it is not unusual for people to exaggerate on their CVs. What surprises me is that some don’t double check and correct any “mistakes” by the time they reach high office given that everything they have ever done will be under scrutiny by those wanting to score points against them.
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Standing up in parliament and saying you’re a solicitor when you’re not, isnt a mistake, it’s a lie…
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