The Tory Leadership Race 2024

[hypochondriac]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Are the Tories justified in trying to derail the Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill by introducing a last minute amendment calling for a national enquiry, and thereby risking the blocking of the safeguards and protections the Bill is intended to provide ?

What are the reasons for not wanting a national enquiry?

[badgerx16]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

What are the reasons for not wanting a national enquiry?

The point is that in the very unlikely event the amendment is passed, the entire Bill falls. ( Not that they were bothered when they were in power ). By all means raise the issue and debate whether an enquiry is necessary, but why play politics in this manner ?

[hypochondriac]

4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

So Kemi Badenoch has now decided that the Asian grooming gangs issue is a national scandal. It is odd that it wasn’t such a big deal when her party was in power and it is odd, as it was a national scandal, that her party did absolutely nothing to implement the 20 action points from the last report. It seems that things are only a national scandal when you are desperate to deflect from your own incompetence and are desperate to score political points but have little to fight with. 
She talks about smearing British Muslims ignoring the fact that Jenrick does it on a regular basis. No support either for another female MP who has faced death threats following Musks racist and defamatory comments

He called Jess Phillips a rape apologist which is absolutely disgusting. I think you've also done the same thing on here but there really is no place for that kind of language in polite society:

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

The point is that in the very unlikely event the amendment is passed, the entire Bill falls. ( Not that they were bothered when they were in power ). By all means raise the issue and debate whether an enquiry is necessary, but why play politics in this manner ?

If Labour supported an enquiry there'd be no need for an amendment. 

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If Labour supported an enquiry there'd be no need for an amendment. 

But this Bill would not be the appropriate way to introduce it, the amendment gives nothing additional to the Bill, it is deliberately destructive and distracting.. The Tories could have created an enquiry in 2022, 2023, or 2024, but chose not to. As I said, there may well be scope for the possibility of such an enquiry to be debated, but playing such pathetic games is unseemly.

Edited Wednesday at 17:12 by badgerx16

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But this Bill would not be the appropriate way to introduce it, the amendment gives nothing additional to the Bill, it is deliberately destructive and distracting.. The Tories could have created an enquiry in 2022, 2023, or 2024, but chose not to. As I said, there may well be scope for the possibility of such an enquiry to be debated, but playing such pathetic games is unseemly.

I know the tories coukd have called for one earlier and they are culpable for not doing so. Good that they are calling for one now though. 

[whelk]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

If Labour supported an enquiry there'd be no need for an amendment. 

I think you need to school up on Parliamentary legislative process and not be played

[whelk]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I know the tories coukd have called for one earlier and they are culpable for not doing so. Good that they are calling for one now though. 

They are absolutely pathetic. Weak as piss trying to look tough. The worst of politics yet some seem impressed. Comical

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, whelk said:

I think you need to school up on Parliamentary legislative process and not be played

Voted down as it was always going to be. 

[tdmickey3]

16 hours ago, whelk said:

There has been plenty on the Musk thread. Your mate comes along and brandishes everyone Islamophobes etc and gets what he deserves/wants/needs.

He`s not my mate

[Turkish]

32 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

He`s not my mate

Yet on the rare times you do post anything it's always defending him.......

[rallyboy]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

He`s not my mate

I can only see one group of mates on here.

Most posters are casual visitors just giving valid opinions or correcting people who make things up.

 

 

 

[whelk]

11 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

can only see one group of mates on here

Interested in who you see as mates. Do you think everyone who piles into SOG are mates?

[rallyboy]

No, not everyone, not at all.

But you'll probably have also noticed a couple of accounts that operate in unison...

 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Shouldn’t this be on the Musk thread. Large scale conspiracy involving multi log ins, and the abuse of SOG? 

[Turkish]

25 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

No, not everyone, not at all.

But you'll probably have also noticed a couple of accounts that operate in unison...

 

 

Im mates with loads of posters. 

I am in charge of the CoT and our whatapps group

@CB Fry @egg @Dman @Weston Super Saint all regularly meet up for beers and banter and talk about SOG

I have already got 784 followers on my threads page @turkishtips as to how to boost your internet forum credibility

Obviously as leader of the DEF the most notorious football crew in history i got to keep my circle there tight to avoid alerting the old bill as to our movements

Me and @Lord Duckhunter go down the alehouse sink a few pints and nail an 8 pinter every now and again.

Plus i have 30 other logins that like all my posts and we all love each other

Just because no one likes you, be like Millwall, no one likes you, you dont care.

Edited 16 hours ago by Turkish

[hypochondriac]

55 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

No, not everyone, not at all.

But you'll probably have also noticed a couple of accounts that operate in unison...

 

 

Or maybe loads of completely separate posters are in unison over one poster because he's such a buffoon that he's the ultimate unifying presence. Just a thought. 

[egg]

2 hours ago, rallyboy said:

No, not everyone, not at all.

But you'll probably have also noticed a couple of accounts that operate in unison...

 

Are you suggesting multi logins, bandwagon jumping, or something else? 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Are you suggesting multi logins, bandwagon jumping, or something else? 

He must be talking about SOG and TD Micky, they're the only accounts ive noticed that operate in unison.

[egg]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

He must be talking about SOG and TD Micky, they're the only accounts ive noticed that operate in unison.

My observation of trends is that a SoG post is guaranteed a like by TD, often a laughing emoji by Hypo and sometimes east stand nic, and that most other people react with comments and emojis as befits the post. I used to be benevolent to SoG and although I think too many people play the poster not the post, he doesn't help himself, and I'm still convinced he's on a wind up or is some kind of abuse masochist. 

Edited 12 hours ago by egg

[Tamesaint]

41 minutes ago, egg said:

 I'm still convinced he's on a wind up or is some kind of abuse masochist. 

Be careful!! Turkish will be after you if you dare to think like this. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, egg said:

My observation of trends is that a SoG post is guaranteed a like by TD, often a laughing emoji by Hypo and sometimes east stand nic, and that most other people react with comments and emojis as befits the post. I used to be benevolent to SoG and although I think too many people play the post not the poster, he doesn't help himself and I'm still convinced he's on a wind up or is some kind of abuse masochist. 

A day in the life of Micky

[tdmickey3]

Just now, Turkish said:

A day in the life of Micky

Are you obsessed with me now...

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Are you obsessed with me now...

Appears to be the other way round

[tdmickey3]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Appears to be the other way round

 

I react because I think a post is funny whereas you quote people and search their activity, I cant be bothered to

irrespective of all that, I just think you are a bit of a prick

Edited 12 hours ago by tdmickey3

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

 

I react because I think a post is funny whereas you quote people and search their activity, I cant be bothered to

irrespective of all that, I just think you are a bit of a prick

Edited 12 hours ago by Turkish

[badgerx16]

To be clear, this is the amendment the Tories and Reform supported.

"That this House, while welcoming measures to improve child protection and safeguarding, declines to give a Second Reading to the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill because it undermines the long-standing combination of school freedom and accountability that has led to educational standards rising in England, effectively abolishes academy freedoms which have been integral to that success and is regressive in approach, leading to worse outcomes for pupils; because it ends freedom over teacher pay, making it harder to attract and retain good teachers; because it ends freedom over Qualified Teacher Status, making teacher recruitment harder; because it removes school freedoms over the curriculum, leading to less innovation; because repealing the requirements for failing schools to become academies and for all new schools to be academies will undermine school improvement and remove the competition which has led to rising standards; because the Bill will make it harder for good schools to expand, reducing parental choice and access to a good education; and calls upon the Government to develop new legislative proposals for children’s wellbeing at the same time as establishing a national statutory inquiry into historical child sexual exploitation, focused on grooming gangs."

 

The first highlighted text shows the original purpose of the amendment, the second was a late addition to hide their intentions.

Edited 6 hours ago by badgerx16

[sadoldgit]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

I think what you meant to say is  a narcissist doesn’t concern himself with the opinions of normal, well adjusted people.

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

I think what you meant to say is  a narcissist doesn’t concern himself with the opinions of normal, well adjusted people.

No need to talk about yourself in the third person.