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4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The way he went on and on and on about Liz Truss, longer than her stay at the top, suggests it's all women in politics.

maybe it is all women but he seems to have a particular vitriol for women of colour, Braverman, Patel and now Kemi appear to be the targets for his campaign of hate.

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pingpong

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I thought you not racist types didn't see colour?

Badenoch, braverman, and patel are all recognised as horrible people, regardless of gender or ethnicity, even the most hardened of tories would acknowledge that, there is no pretence that they are nice types who you would want to spend time with, they are there to do a job, a job which includes promoting the hostile environment as initiated by theresa May, and making sure evil trans people don't harm our kids.

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sadoldgit

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I remember May saying that the Tories were in danger of becoming the nasty party. She was certainly right on that score. It seems that they have completely given up on taking any high moral ground and are just concentrating on fighting it out with Farage for the culture war/anti-woke/flag shagging votes. Still, it worked for Trump.

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badgerx16

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13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I remember May saying that the Tories were in danger of becoming the nasty party. She was certainly right on that score. It seems that they have completely given up on taking any high moral ground and are just concentrating on fighting it out with Farage for the culture war/anti-woke/flag shagging votes. Still, it worked for Trump.

Is there a possibility that Trump won on the economy and Immigration ?

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whelk

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21 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I remember May saying that the Tories were in danger of becoming the nasty party. She was certainly right on that score. It seems that they have completely given up on taking any high moral ground and are just concentrating on fighting it out with Farage for the culture war/anti-woke/flag shagging votes. Still, it worked for Trump.

You realise they are not in power? 

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Gloucester Saint

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15 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Is there a possibility that Trump won on the economy and Immigration ?

Inflation, inflation, inflation.

Partly immigration, but mainly economic. 

Going back to Tory leaders, I don’t agree with Soggy that it’s about nice/nasty, I think their issue is they keep electing leaders who are not deemed relatable by Joe Public. And last one who was turned to be corrupt as hell with Partygate and more. Thatcher was a marmite leader with divisive policies (even if our household did well from them as a lot did in the SE) but people forget how relatable she was, sitting comfortably in the kitchens of families who just exercised right to buy discussing their plans for the house and their families. It wasn’t put on for the cameras either, she enjoyed it and was natural.

They are trying to replicate it but can’t - Truss or Badenoch haven’t got any people skill. May had the sincerity but it didn’t come across naturally and was deemed wooden. 

 

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whelk

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38 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Inflation, inflation, inflation.

Partly immigration, but mainly economic. 

Going back to Tory leaders, I don’t agree with Soggy that it’s about nice/nasty, I think their issue is they keep electing leaders who are not deemed relatable by Joe Public. And last one who was turned to be corrupt as hell with Partygate and more. Thatcher was a marmite leader with divisive policies (even if our household did well from them as a lot did in the SE) but people forget how relatable she was, sitting comfortably in the kitchens of families who just exercised right to buy discussing their plans for the house and their families. It wasn’t put on for the cameras either, she enjoyed it and was natural.

They are trying to replicate it but can’t - Truss or Badenoch haven’t got any people skill. May had the sincerity but it didn’t come across naturally and was deemed wooden. 

 

Obviously cost of living was a major factor but think focusing on that absolves Dems of not connecting. Culture wars are much more polarised there of course. I never thought the swing voters would swing towards Trump but clearly not attracted to Harris who couldn’t shift being seen as liberal woke despite the campaigns efforts.

whelk

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43 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Truss or Badenoch haven’t got any people skill

Yep very unrelateable to most as don’t come across as authentic so fucked from the off. Mind you either have charisma or you don’t

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Gloucester Saint

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26 minutes ago, whelk said:

Obviously cost of living was a major factor but think focusing on that absolves Dems of not connecting. Culture wars are much more polarised there of course. I never thought the swing voters would swing towards Trump but clearly not attracted to Harris who couldn’t shift being seen as liberal woke despite the campaigns efforts.

And tied to Biden who ran out of gas two years into his Presidency, as I sense Trump may do if the mid-terms don’t go well and turning 80.

Weston Super Saint

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50 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

No idea if this graph is accurate but if true what the fuck were they doing? 

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I suspect (but in no way certain), that the rise is due to 'foreign' students and their dependents coming to the UK.

Whilst I assume the figure is accurate, if it is derived from students, then it is also misleading as they would all have limited time visas and wouldn't be 'permanent' residents.

In 2022 / 2023 there were approx 660k non EU students (a good number of them would have had dependents with them, which is no longer allowed).

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Whitey Grandad

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19 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I suspect (but in no way certain), that the rise is due to 'foreign' students and their dependents coming to the UK.

Whilst I assume the figure is accurate, if it is derived from students, then it is also misleading as they would all have limited time visas and wouldn't be 'permanent' residents.

In 2022 / 2023 there were approx 660k non EU students (a good number of them would have had dependents with them, which is no longer allowed).

The figures are for net migration and would have taken account of those who had returned.

Frightening, isn’t it?

Gloucester Saint

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1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I suspect (but in no way certain), that the rise is due to 'foreign' students and their dependents coming to the UK.

Whilst I assume the figure is accurate, if it is derived from students, then it is also misleading as they would all have limited time visas and wouldn't be 'permanent' residents.

In 2022 / 2023 there were approx 660k non EU students (a good number of them would have had dependents with them, which is no longer allowed).

Correct, Braverman deliberately put them into the net migration figures to stir it up for Sunak.

Pity Starmer has been a dick so far about not taking them back out. 

Ukraine as well.

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badgerx16

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1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The figures are for net migration and would have taken account of those who had returned.

Frightening, isn’t it?

Yet the obsession is with the fraction of the overall inbound numbers carrying out an 'invasion' by crossing the Channel in small boats

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badgerx16

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1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I suspect (but in no way certain), that the rise is due to 'foreign' students and their dependents coming to the UK.

Whilst I assume the figure is accurate, if it is derived from students, then it is also misleading as they would all have limited time visas and wouldn't be 'permanent' residents.

In 2022 / 2023 there were approx 660k non EU students (a good number of them would have had dependents with them, which is no longer allowed).

’'International students accounted for nearly two-fifths of non-EU immigration .....over the past five years (since 2019).''

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/articles/reasonforinternationalmigrationinternationalstudentsupdate/may2024

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Gloucester Saint

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She’s a total fucking buffoon. The new government is nothing to write home about, but they’d still get re-elected if they fucked up on the scale of Truss and Boris the way she’s going. Serves their MPs right for gaming the system, failing abysmally and leaving out the obvious candidate.

Kemi is the Russell Martin of opposition leaders, you can see her tactics a mile off and primary school kids could outwit it. Labour probably couldn’t believe their luck. Now caused a needless row with Nigeria where she grew up. 

I didn’t think Corbyn could not be the worst ever as an opposition in the same way Saints couldn’t appoint worse than Nathan Jones. Looks like the Conservatives and Saints have surpassed themselves. 

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badgerx16

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17 hours ago, Turkish said:

Another opinion piece passed off as fact 🤦

Another women of colour Sog is critical of 🤦

I guess they’re only good for pulling your pints, right SOG?

TBF, she was awful at PMQs, effectively attacking Starmer for things that happened when she was part of the Tory Government,

 

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Gloucester Saint

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Another opinion piece passed off as fact 🤦

Another women of colour Sog is critical of 🤦

I guess they’re only good for pulling your pints, right SOG?

Kemi would pour it wastefully all over pub floor and then blame either the customer for squandering their pint or the previous occupant of the pub. 

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whelk

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2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

She’s a total fucking buffoon. The new government is nothing to write home about, but they’d still get re-elected if they fucked up on the scale of Truss and Boris the way she’s going. Serves their MPs right for gaming the system, failing abysmally and leaving out the obvious candidate.

Kemi is the Russell Martin of opposition leaders, you can see her tactics a mile off and primary school kids could outwit it. Labour probably couldn’t believe their luck. Now caused a needless row with Nigeria where she grew up. 

I didn’t think Corbyn could not be the worst ever as an opposition in the same way Saints couldn’t appoint worse than Nathan Jones. Looks like the Conservatives and Saints have surpassed themselves. 

Tbf Nigeria is corrupt as fuck.

Alastair Campbell saying about a recent chat  with Farage who can’t believe his luck with Bandenoch leading. He is just laughing at her ineptitude at PMQs and thinks her line of attack is always hopeless and doesn’t land

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sadoldgit

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14 hours ago, Turkish said:

Another opinion piece passed off as fact 🤦

Another women of colour Sog is critical of 🤦

I guess they’re only good for pulling your pints, right SOG?

You really need to get a full time job, or at least a hobby.

It is an opinion piece. I am sharing someone’s opinion. 

The colour of her skin has nothing to do with the criticism as well you know. On the other hand you were the one getting upset about footballers taking the knee against racism. Remember? Does the slogan “Black Lives Matter” still upset you? Hypocrite.

“They” are only good for pulling my pints? Do you ever stop to think how stupid you sound? Clearly not.

What is it with you people that you become so desperate that you try and distort reality in order to make yourself seem more important? We see it with Johnson and Trump and now we see it with people like you on social media. It’s like living in a parallel universe. One minute you are having a go at me for being woke and defending those protesting about racism and the next you are accusing me of racism. You really can’t see how odd that is can you?

You made yourself look stupid on TUI and managed to get yourself banned. You haven’t learned any lessons have you?


 

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Turkish

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45 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You really need to get a full time job, or at least a hobby.

It is an opinion piece. I am sharing someone’s opinion. 

The colour of her skin has nothing to do with the criticism as well you know. On the other hand you were the one getting upset about footballers taking the knee against racism. Remember? Does the slogan “Black Lives Matter” still upset you? Hypocrite.

“They” are only good for pulling my pints? Do you ever stop to think how stupid you sound? Clearly not.

What is it with you people that you become so desperate that you try and distort reality in order to make yourself seem more important? We see it with Johnson and Trump and now we see it with people like you on social media. It’s like living in a parallel universe. One minute you are having a go at me for being woke and defending those protesting about racism and the next you are accusing me of racism. You really can’t see how odd that is can you?


 

Says the bloke who just posted a link of someone saying they dont eat sandwiches with your comment "Kemi seems determined to give Liz Truss a run for her money" 

Maybe you need to stop and think how stupid you sound. Everyone is pointing and laughing at you now SOG, every-fucking-one.

And i see you're edited the post now to included your lie about why i left TUI, you're really a laughing stock sunshine.🤡

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Says the bloke who just posted a link of someone saying they dont eat sandwiches with your comment "Kemi seems determined to give Liz Truss a run for her money" 

Maybe you need to stop and think how stupid you sound. Everyone is pointing and laughing at you now SOG, every-fucking-one.

And i see you're edited the post now to included your lie about why i left TUI, you're really a laughing stock sunshine.🤡

Remind me person who isn't obsessed and doesn't stalk Soggy, how long has this argument been going on?

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Turkish

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7 minutes ago, Danbert said:

Remind me person who isn't obsessed and doesn't stalk Soggy, how long has this argument been going on?

I can give you the full history if you like?

 

Gloucester Saint

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2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

When was she Home Secretary? 

IIRC she was Trade Minister, having been Equalities (ironically given her culture war views) and DCLG before that. She was referring to issues at PMQs when Suella Braverman was Home Secretary and hid all sorts under the carpet (expenditure) when she wasn’t leaking official secrets via other senior members of the ERG.

Lord Duckhunter

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18 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

She was referring to issues at PMQs when Suella Braverman was Home Secretary 

 You need to tell Badger, he claimed she was. I guess they all look the same to some people. 

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sadoldgit

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On 12/12/2024 at 12:14, Danbert said:

Remind me person who isn't obsessed and doesn't stalk Soggy, how long has this argument been going on?

You have to feel sorry for the poor love. With the forum being down for a few days and no one to stalk he would have had to put a full shift in at work and spend time with his family instead of spending his time trolling on the internet.

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sadoldgit

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So Kemi Badenoch has now decided that the Asian grooming gangs issue is a national scandal. It is odd that it wasn’t such a big deal when her party was in power and it is odd, as it was a national scandal, that her party did absolutely nothing to implement the 20 action points from the last report. It seems that things are only a national scandal when you are desperate to deflect from your own incompetence and are desperate to score political points but have little to fight with. 
She talks about smearing British Muslims ignoring the fact that Jenrick does it on a regular basis. No support either for another female MP who has faced death threats following Musks racist and defamatory comments

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Turkish

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

So Kemi Badenoch has now decided that the Asian grooming gangs issue is a national scandal. It is odd that it wasn’t such a big deal when her party was in power and it is odd, as it was a national scandal, that her party did absolutely nothing to implement the 20 action points from the last report. It seems that things are only a national scandal when you are desperate to deflect from your own incompetence and are desperate to score political points but have little to fight with. 
She talks about smearing British Muslims ignoring the fact that Jenrick does it on a regular basis. No support either for another female MP who has faced death threats following Musks racist and defamatory comments

Just so we are clear, can you explain why you are opposed to a national enquiry?

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

James O'Brien doesn't want one. 

Given the way he promoted and encouraged the deluded conspiracies of Carl Beech and his desperation for them to be true, I think that poisonous twat needs to sit this one out. 

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whelk

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44 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

It would be nice to read some actual debate on this forum but its just certain posters playing one poster instead.....bit of a shame

There has been plenty on the Musk thread. Your mate comes along and brandishes everyone Islamophobes etc and gets what he deserves/wants/needs.

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Turkish

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49 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

It would be nice to read some actual debate on this forum but its just certain posters playing one poster instead.....bit of a shame

Great contribution as always “Micky”

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badgerx16

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Are the Tories justified in trying to derail the Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill by introducing a last minute amendment calling for a national enquiry, and thereby risking the blocking of the safeguards and protections the Bill is intended to provide ?

hypochondriac

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57 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

It would be nice to read some actual debate on this forum but its just certain posters playing one poster instead.....bit of a shame

Maybe contribute by offering your own opinions and that might provoke a reasonable debate. Don't just snipe from the sidelines when someone on a wind up gets appropriately mocked. 

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