SouSaint Posted February 14 Posted February 14 29 minutes ago, goodymatt said: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGBoJ7ruP-H/?igsh=MWtxNXQzbng3ZG11aQ== New agent? Perhaps looking to find a move to stay in the PL when we drop. I can only see him getting decent game time at a promoted club. He's been a huge disappointment this season. 1
sambosa75 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 10/01/2025 at 11:58, Turkish said: Yep, hes a young player in his first season in the premier league. He should be playing alongside a good, experienced centre back not stuck alongside crap like Stephens & Bednarek or expecting Wood who is also in his first season to just swim. We did this with Stephens expecting him and Yoshida to step up to replace Fonte and Van Dijk, why do we never learn? The 65 capped full international and 213 appearances for Southampton Jan Bednarek? 1
Turkish Posted February 14 Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, sambosa75 said: The 65 capped full international and 213 appearances for Southampton Jan Bednarek? you missed out the word "good" 3 1
sambosa75 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Turkish said: you missed out the word "good" Worryingly he's been by far our best (in the loosest sense of the word) centre-back this season too. THB been a huge disappointment. 1
Turkish Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, sambosa75 said: Worryingly he's been by far our best (in the loosest sense of the word) centre-back this season too. THB been a huge disappointment. He has but no wonder given the shit around him too. Young player in his first season in the premier league thrown under the bus again by us 1
S-Clarke Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, sambosa75 said: Worryingly he's been by far our best (in the loosest sense of the word) centre-back this season too. THB been a huge disappointment. Yeah he has, but if you go back to 2018/2019 the most consistent factor with our awful defence has been Bednarek. Bar a couple of purple patches here and there, he's been involved in it all. Both 9-0's, the 5-0's, 6-0's etc. +60 goals conceded in every season he's been a consistent part of it, I include last season in that as well. He's definitely redeemed himself professionally since his stomp off to Villa, but he is one of the reasons we leak goals as he's so incredibly limited. 12
Turkish Posted February 14 Posted February 14 3 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Yeah he has, but if you go back to 2018/2019 the most consistent factor with our awful defence has been Bednarek. Bar a couple of purple patches here and there, he's been involved in it all. Both 9-0's, the 5-0's, 6-0's etc. +60 goals conceded in every season he's been a consistent part of it, I include last season in that as well. He's definitely redeemed himself professionally since his stomp off to Villa, but he is one of the reasons we leak goals as he's so incredibly limited. It's a pretty low bar. He's had Stephens, Yoshida, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Salisu, Lyanco and ABK as competition.
Toussaint Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, Turkish said: It's a pretty low bar. He's had Stephens, Yoshida, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Salisu, Lyanco and ABK as competition. Christ on a bike, you have just identified a fundamental part of our decline.
S-Clarke Posted February 14 Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: It's a pretty low bar. He's had Stephens, Yoshida, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Salisu, Lyanco and ABK as competition. Yep, very true. Our CB recruitment is leading the way in crapness. Only we can go from Fonte and VVD to Yoshida and Stephens less than a year later. The Southampton Way of doing things differently I guess. 3
Turkish Posted February 14 Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, Toussaint said: Christ on a bike, you have just identified a fundamental part of our decline. 1 minute ago, S-Clarke said: Yep, very true. Our CB recruitment is leading the way in crapness. Only we can go from Fonte and VVD to Yoshida and Stephens less than a year later. The Southampton Way of doing things differently I guess. i forgot Caleta-Car as well. About £70m of "talent" right there 1
sambosa75 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Imagine thinking Wesley f*cking Hoedt was an adequate replacement for VVD. 🤣 1 3
SaintNewForest Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, S-Clarke said: Yep, very true. Our CB recruitment is leading the way in crapness. Only we can go from Fonte and VVD to Yoshida and Stephens less than a year later. The Southampton Way of doing things differently I guess. And yet, the Stephens-Yoshida partnership under Puel was probably the last time we looked defensively solid. Obviously not at the quality of what went before, mind. Edited February 14 by SaintNewForest 1
lambtiss Posted February 14 Posted February 14 I would say Yoshida is a far better defender in terms of being a stopper than either Bednarek or THB. 6
Turkish Posted February 14 Posted February 14 23 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said: And yet, the Stephens-Yoshida partnership under Puel was probably the last time we looked defensively solid. Obviously not at the quality of what went before, mind. boring old claude hey...... 1 1
SaintNewForest Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, Turkish said: boring old claude hey...... Was bullshit then, and bullshit now. My god, he'd have been an improvement on some of the dross we've had since. 3
Galway saint Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Didn't Juric say that Bednarek turned down a large offer during January, so someone must rate him ( assuming it's true) ? THB has been a disappointment and appears a bit overweight to me and at times it looks like hes running through treacle. Like a lot of the squad he's struggled with the pace and power in the PL 2
Sarnia Cherie Posted February 14 Posted February 14 10 minutes ago, Galway saint said: Didn't Juric say that Bednarek turned down a large offer during January, so someone must rate him ( assuming it's true) ? THB has been a disappointment and appears a bit overweight to me and at times it looks like hes running through treacle. Like a lot of the squad he's struggled with the pace and power in the PL Most of the team look as if they are running through treacle. That's when they aren't standing still. It would be interesting to see what their training sessions consist of. 1
woodsaint1 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Galway saint said: Didn't Juric say that Bednarek turned down a large offer during January, so someone must rate him ( assuming it's true) ? THB has been a disappointment and appears a bit overweight to me and at times it looks like hes running through treacle. Like a lot of the squad he's struggled with the pace and power in the PL Roma were reportedly interested, but we turned their offer down (£8 million)
Badger Posted February 16 Posted February 16 On 14/02/2025 at 19:17, woodsaint1 said: Roma were reportedly interested, but we turned their offer down (£8 million) Wonder if they’ll come back in the summer
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted February 16 Posted February 16 Don't think he's increased his stock that much this season. Always liked his attitude. Last season, when he had time on the ball, he could see a pass and seemed to cover well. This season, the game in the premier league the game is faster and he's not had time to make his floaty passes or get back in to position and has looked off the pace. Don't know with the right fitness regime if he can physically get quicker (he looks to be carrying an extra few pounds) but I'd like him to stay.
Football Special Posted February 17 Posted February 17 On 14/02/2025 at 18:00, Galway saint said: Didn't Juric say that Bednarek turned down a large offer during January, so someone must rate him ( assuming it's true) ? THB has been a disappointment and appears a bit overweight to me and at times it looks like hes running through treacle. Like a lot of the squad he's struggled with the pace and power in the PL Yes, offer received from Roma
hypochondriac Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Although all three will most likely leave, Fernandes, Ramsdale and Dibling are the only three players I'd be keen to try to keep hold of for a season next year. Everyone else including THB have bkotted their copybooks for me and I'm unconvinced that any of them can play in theprem. 4
Viking Saint Posted February 17 Posted February 17 22 hours ago, Badger said: Wonder if they’ll come back in the summer Hope so. He's got at least one guaranteed brain fart in him per game and spends most of his time waving his arms at other players when he's fucked up. 1
East Kent Saint Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) West Ham interested in signing THB , say the Sun ! a swop with JWP ? no stranger to the lower leagues 🙂 Edited February 24 by East Kent Saint 1
Gloucester Saint Posted February 24 Posted February 24 1 hour ago, East Kent Saint said: West Ham interested in signing THB , say the Sun ! a swop with JWP ? no stranger to the lower leagues 🙂 £40m and it’s done. JWP wages unaffordable even @50% subsidised great as he’d be in the Champ with some pace and power alongside him.
Sarnia Cherie Posted February 24 Posted February 24 4 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said: £40m and it’s done. JWP wages unaffordable even @50% subsidised great as he’d be in the Champ with some pace and power alongside him. One report I read had West Ham valuing THB at £15m. I will be fuming if SR let him go for that.
CB Fry Posted February 24 Posted February 24 13 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said: One report I read had West Ham valuing THB at £15m. I will be fuming if SR let him go for that. Well, we won't. 4
disconnect Posted February 24 Posted February 24 15 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said: One report I read had West Ham valuing THB at £15m. I will be fuming if SR let him go for that. It would need to be a minimum of £25mil I reckon. We signed him for £20 million and having won an England cap since, had a season (albeit in a terrible side) in the Premier League, and us knowing how good he is in the Championship, they'd be no point selling for a loss or the same we bought him for. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted February 24 Posted February 24 9 minutes ago, disconnect said: It would need to be a minimum of £25mil I reckon. We signed him for £20 million and having won an England cap since, had a season (albeit in a terrible side) in the Premier League, and us knowing how good he is in the Championship, they'd be no point selling for a loss or the same we bought him for. £35-40m, England cap, still young for a CB, and City probably have a sell on clause. West Ham wouldn’t stress about our season, they will know 5 at the back doesn’t suit him and you need pace alongside him. John Terry wasn’t the quickest over ten yards so doesn’t stop CBs succeeding in the right structure. 1
S-Clarke Posted February 24 Posted February 24 I think the £30-35m Joachim Andersen went for in the summer is a good benchmark for what we should expect for THB, with the added English tax. 2
Gloucester Saint Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) 5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: I think the £30-35m Joachim Andersen went for in the summer is a good benchmark for what we should expect for THB, with the added English tax. Yep, 100%. West Ham and Villa are shopping at that £30-50m level for first choice centre backs, Brighton, Bournemouth, Brentford £20-35m. Not hard to see why paying £20m for THB without a high quality loan signing alongside him instead of kids for the future hasn’t worked. Much as I like Ronnie Edwards, it’s for next season and beyond. We didn’t use our loans well at all. Edited February 24 by Gloucester Saint
hypochondriac Posted February 24 Posted February 24 32 minutes ago, disconnect said: It would need to be a minimum of £25mil I reckon. We signed him for £20 million and having won an England cap since, had a season (albeit in a terrible side) in the Premier League, and us knowing how good he is in the Championship, they'd be no point selling for a loss or the same we bought him for. 25 would do it I reckon you're correct. We won't have a strong negotiating hand after relegation.
Gloucester Saint Posted February 24 Posted February 24 45 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: 25 would do it I reckon you're correct. We won't have a strong negotiating hand after relegation. Depends how much the other assets go for. If there’s an auction early on for say Dibling that may change the picture, or Fernandes. Ramsdale will be a late August sale I reckon when a PL side’s first choice gets injured/starts badly. But if we don’t get an early sale then THB’s hand improves.
hypochondriac Posted February 24 Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said: Depends how much the other assets go for. If there’s an auction early on for say Dibling that may change the picture, or Fernandes. Ramsdale will be a late August sale I reckon when a PL side’s first choice gets injured/starts badly. But if we don’t get an early sale then THB’s hand improves. That's probably true. I could see us getting a Dibling sale in early for say £60 million and then driving a harder bargain for the others. I expect all to go eventually but hopefully we identify what we need early.
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted February 24 Posted February 24 39 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: That's probably true. I could see us getting a Dibling sale in early for say £60 million and then driving a harder bargain for the others. I expect all to go eventually but hopefully we identify what we need early. Must admit, I can't see us getting anywhere near £60m for Dibling. My guess (and it is a guess) is more like £30m for a teenager who has got a lot to learn and frankly looks a bit cumbersome. As to THB (who also looks a bit lardy), I'd be happy if he stays but offers over £25m will be given serious consideration. 1
hypochondriac Posted February 24 Posted February 24 29 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said: Must admit, I can't see us getting anywhere near £60m for Dibling. My guess (and it is a guess) is more like £30m for a teenager who has got a lot to learn and frankly looks a bit cumbersome. As to THB (who also looks a bit lardy), I'd be happy if he stays but offers over £25m will be given serious consideration. I'd say given inflation, the fact he's English and a youngster who has been one of our only bright sparks this season I'd be expecting 40 million as a minimum. Maybe I'm over inflating it and 60 probably is a stretch. 1
Pamplemousse Posted February 24 Posted February 24 Man City have a buy back clause, not sure much but that should be the starting price for any negotiations with any teams. West Ham are known for overpaying anyway so I suspect they'd be willing to stump up £40M plus 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 24 Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said: Man City have a buy back clause What a waste of ink. I’ve got more chance of going to the moon in a shoebox than that being activated….. 1
Turkish Posted February 24 Posted February 24 5 hours ago, S-Clarke said: I think the £30-35m Joachim Andersen went for in the summer is a good benchmark for what we should expect for THB, with the added English tax. 5 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said: £35-40m, England cap, still young for a CB, and City probably have a sell on clause. West Ham wouldn’t stress about our season, they will know 5 at the back doesn’t suit him and you need pace alongside him. John Terry wasn’t the quickest over ten yards so doesn’t stop CBs succeeding in the right structure. 10 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said: £40m and it’s done. JWP wages unaffordable even @50% subsidised great as he’d be in the Champ with some pace and power alongside him. i thought everyone said he was shite and not up to premier league level? 1
Dirkdiggler Posted February 24 Posted February 24 On 14/02/2025 at 16:47, SaintNewForest said: And yet, the Stephens-Yoshida partnership under Puel was probably the last time we looked defensively solid. Obviously not at the quality of what went before, mind. Who did we have in midfield though in front?
HarvSFC Posted February 24 Posted February 24 Just going to point out that West Ham paid £40m for Max Kilman last summer. 27, no England caps and not particularly great, dependable. Considering we bought THB for £20m, no way should we be selling for a loss. I'd probably sell for anything over £30m.
Dirkdiggler Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) We haven’t had a decent CB since VVD (high bar I know) Recruitment has been consistently poor how can we go from signing VVD Toby A Wanyama pelle mane tadic romeu Etc etc to having Stephens, aribo, Armstrong, BBD starting premier league games?!? Edited February 24 by Dirkdiggler 1
Hayling Saint Posted February 24 Posted February 24 8 minutes ago, Dirkdiggler said: We haven’t had a decent CB since VVD (high bar I know) Recruitment has been consistently poor how can we go from signing VVD Toby A Wanyama pelle mane tadic romeu Etc etc to having Stephens, aribo, Armstrong, BBD starting premier league games?!? so true
Gloucester Saint Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turkish said: i thought everyone said he was shite and not up to premier league level? I don’t think he’s shite overall and can be PL level, but has been disappointing this season. Certainly not comfortable as part of a back 5, but with proper DMCs in front of him screening, and some pace with him he could be a good PL centre half. I don’t think he’s that sluggish but partnering Bednarek who isn’t the quickest and gets caught out of position plus the lack of midfield screen is a brutal combination. Adding the pace of Wood didn’t seem to help THB (eg Villa mix up) and Wood isn’t ready yet to be part of a PL back 4. Put Romeo in front of him and he’d have been fine. Congratulations by the way in joining MLG in an exclusive club - the Paul Chuckle confused emoji club Edited February 24 by Gloucester Saint 2
Chez Posted February 24 Posted February 24 6 hours ago, hypochondriac said: 25 would do it I reckon you're correct. We won't have a strong negotiating hand after relegation. He's contracted until 2028 which makes our negotiating hand as strong as it gets for a relegated club. Who knows what's in his contract though. 1
hypochondriac Posted February 24 Posted February 24 34 minutes ago, Chez said: He's contracted until 2028 which makes our negotiating hand as strong as it gets for a relegated club. Who knows what's in his contract though. Yes but 'for a relegated club' is the key bit.
Chez Posted February 24 Posted February 24 11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Yes but 'for a relegated club' is the key bit. Unless he has a relegation release, we still hold all the cards, but then it's down to our financial situation. God knows what that looks like, but in the summer of 2023 we seemed to set significant valuations on players and then seemed to stick by them. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Chez said: Unless he has a relegation release, we still hold all the cards, but then it's down to our financial situation. God knows what that looks like, but in the summer of 2023 we seemed to set significant valuations on players and then seemed to stick by them. The TSP on YouTube reckoned our financial situation was better as the (mostly) crap Rasmus signed in January 2022 has rolled over on the 3 year basis for PSR plus the non-Lavia transactions from summer 2022, which was a restriction last time. So no talk of stupid spending but that there would be more than last time and selling valuations would be stuck to even more so. If Dibling and Fernandes, the two most in demand, go early for good fees, the club can get maximum for THB or even hold onto him. Edited February 24 by Gloucester Saint 2
austsaint Posted February 24 Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Chez said: Unless he has a relegation release, we still hold all the cards, but then it's down to our financial situation. God knows what that looks like, but in the summer of 2023 we seemed to set significant valuations on players and then seemed to stick by them. Yes, the one thing SR have done ok with was holding a line on their valuations at the end of the 22/23 season. Lavia, Tino and JWP all going for the “right money”. Dibling is the obvious first saleable asset to cash in on, even if some of the shine has come off lately. Fernandes should attract a sizeable fee, though whatever he goes for it’s likely to be a “bargain” given the scope for further improvement. Would that then provide a chance to keep THB to help the promotion push. I suspect anything north of 25 million will be too tempting for SR.
hypochondriac Posted February 24 Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said: The TSP on YouTube reckoned our financial situation was better as the (mostly) crap Rasmus signed in January 2022 has rolled over on the 3 year basis for PSR plus the non-Lavia transactions from summer 2022, which was a restriction last time. So no talk of stupid spending but that there would be more than last time and selling valuations would be stuck to even more so. If Dibling and Fernandes, the two most in demand, go early for good fees, the club can get maximum for THB or even hold onto him. Surely Ramsdale will be in greater demand than Fernandes.
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