General Election 2024 Poll

[Fan The Flames]

That's all you got Nic, laughing emojis and rhetorical bullshit. You come with baby rants about MSM, the BBC, middle of the road politicians, but they're just valueless rants. You never come with any solutions, you remain vague as fuck so your ideas can't be examined. Tell us what the solutions are, put up or shut up.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

2 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

That's all you got Nic, laughing emojis and rhetorical bullshit. You come with baby rants about MSM, the BBC, middle of the road politicians, but they're just valueless rants. You never come with any solutions, you remain vague as fuck so your ideas can't be examined. Tell us what the solutions are, put up or shut up.

Why should he waste his time telling you? Open your eyes and do your own research. You'll be amazed what you find. 🫠

 

[Weston Super Saint]

21 minutes ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Why should he waste his time telling you? Open your eyes and do your own research. You'll be amazed what you find. 🫠

 

But just remember you won't find it on the 'tell lie vision'.

[The Kraken]

It’s got to be a parody account.

Hasn’t it?

[tdmickey3]

3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

That is the issue with all you dead heads. You suck up all you see and read on MSM and do not bother to try and look into things more. You have all been successfully brainwashed by the tell lie vision and the state. And that is why the UK and many other western style democracies are falling apart; because you are all so dumb you just let them walk all over you and lap up all the lies and BS. You are now getting what you fully deserve.

Their are some special “substances” available these days that’s for sure

Edited June 23 by tdmickey3

[egg]

So who are the 'none of the above' people voting for? Green? 

[revolution saint]

Just now, egg said:

So who are the 'none of the above' people voting for? Green? 

I did one of those "Who should you vote for" questionnaires the other day and apparently I'm 60% Green, 20% Lib Dem and 20% Labour.  Not really surprising though as individually there's a load of Green policies that I like but put them all together and they'd crash the economy quicker than you can say Liz Truss.

I'm still undecided though - it's a toss up between Greens and Reform for me.

[Turkish]

20 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

It’s got to be a parody account.

Hasn’t it?

I suspect it's Dune.

[The Kraken]

17 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I suspect it's Dune.

That would probably make sense actually.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

That would probably make sense actually.

Although Dune was quite funny, one of best posts was when he blamed labours open door immigration policy for the decline in the golden eagle population in Scotland 🤣

[egg]

20 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

I did one of those "Who should you vote for" questionnaires the other day and apparently I'm 60% Green, 20% Lib Dem and 20% Labour.  Not really surprising though as individually there's a load of Green policies that I like but put them all together and they'd crash the economy quicker than you can say Liz Truss.

I'm still undecided though - it's a toss up between Greens and Reform for me.

That feels a bit like your summer holiday choice being a toss up between a nudist colony in Greenland or all inclusive in Kaliningrad. 

[Lighthouse]

27 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

I did one of those "Who should you vote for" questionnaires the other day and apparently I'm 60% Green, 20% Lib Dem and 20% Labour.  Not really surprising though as individually there's a load of Green policies that I like but put them all together and they'd crash the economy quicker than you can say Liz Truss.

I'm still undecided though - it's a toss up between Greens and Reform for me.

Those things always tend to come out a bit like that though because the liberal parties tend to promise more of what we want. I’d love to live in a world of clean, renewable energy, with no nuclear weapons, new hospitals, lots of doctors and nurses who earn a fair wage, so I’d probably get a very similar outcome. Unfortunately the questionnaires rarely factor in what you believe the parties can reasonably deliver.

[revolution saint]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

That feels a bit like your summer holiday choice being a toss up between a nudist colony in Greenland or all inclusive in Kaliningrad. 

Yeah, I mean I like a lot of Green stuff but then I also like Nige.  I mean, he's one of us isn't he?  A proper man of the people who tells it like it is, understands "our" culture and not afraid to shake up the establishment.  He doesn't use the word footy either and that's a big plus point.

[egg]

1 minute ago, revolution saint said:

Yeah, I mean I like a lot of Green stuff but then I also like Nige.  I mean, he's one of us isn't he?  A proper man of the people who tells it like it is, understands "our" culture and not afraid to shake up the establishment.  He doesn't use the word footy either and that's a big plus point.

Too true! Greens tick a lot of boxes to be fair, but are just too fanciful. I'm on the edge of lib Dems and labour, but tactically it has to be the libs for me. 

[Whitey Grandad]

4 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

That is the issue with all you dead heads. You suck up all you see and read on MSM and do not bother to try and look into things more. You have all been successfully brainwashed by the tell lie vision and the state. And that is why the UK and many other western style democracies are falling apart; because you are all so dumb you just let them walk all over you and lap up all the lies and BS. You are now getting what you fully deserve.

Please don’t insult me.

I’m old enough to spot a bullshitting conman when I see one.

[Whitey Grandad]

33 minutes ago, egg said:

That feels a bit like your summer holiday choice being a toss up between a nudist colony in Greenland or all inclusive in Kaliningrad. 

Hmm, tough choice.

It all depends on the weather I suppose.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Hmm, tough choice.

It all depends on the weather I suppose.

Yep. The cold wouldn't be very flattering for me sadly so I'd have to take the Borscht and communist sunshine. 

 

 

 

[sadoldgit]

15 hours ago, Challenger said:

Hi , apologies for the late reply as I was out of posts, I don't consider even a few quid worth it just to argue that bit more on here. Anyway to your question, yes I am one and the same . So can you trust me on what I say ? I ask that because that's the same dilemma you will have on July 4th , stood in the polling booth with that pencil in your hand.

Could be a thick cunt on my political views, a thick cunt on thinking a forum poll is anonymous, a liar, hypocrite or just someone that would ( successfully ) invoke a reaction amongst a few people who don't appear to have much else in life other than insist their views are accepted on this forum .

Anyway, be it politics, angling or just getting a reaction, remember just get the right bait in the right place at the right time and you're sure to get a bite.

Do you know Farage is a keen angler ?

 

“I have often thought, Paul, that fishing is like making love to a beautiful woman. First clean and inspect your tackle, carefully pull back your rod cover and remove any dirt or gunge that may have built up whilst not in use. Then extend your rod to its full length and check that there is no kink or any wear, particularly at the base where the grip is usually applied. Make sure that you have a decent float, plenty of bait and that there is plenty of shot in your bag…”

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, egg said:

So who are the 'none of the above' people voting for? Green? 

No one?

[Challenger]

15 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The polling booths close at 22:00 on the 4th.

 

( I know, cheap shot ).

Ha, ha it must be my wishful thinking wanting to get an extra two days entertainment on here !

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

No one?

Is that your 'none of the above'?

Personally, I can't understand why anyone would elect not to vote in a GE. You can guarantee they'll whine about the outcome. 

Edited June 23 by egg

[sadoldgit]

Would more people be encouraged to vote if we had PR? There are a number of pros and cons but the current FPTP system is not democratic and doesn’t reflect the voting wishes of the public. 

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Would more people be encouraged to vote if we had PR? There are a number of pros and cons but the current FPTP system is not democratic and doesn’t reflect the voting wishes of the public. 

Would more people be encouraged to vote if we had candidates we trusted and believed had our best interests at heart ?

[Lighthouse]

16 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Would more people be encouraged to vote if we had PR? There are a number of pros and cons but the current FPTP system is not democratic and doesn’t reflect the voting wishes of the public. 

I don’t want a government which reflects the voting wishes of the public, in a PR sense, you need to give somebody a mandate to rule the country. If you dilute the authority of whoever’s in charge, you just end up with every party blocking policies they don’t like and nothing gets done. Give one party a decent level of authority and if they’re sh*t boot them out at the next GE.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Is that your 'none of the above'?

Personally, I can't understand why anyone would elect not to vote in a GE. You can guarantee they'll whine about the outcome. 

32.7% of the eligible voters did not vote in the last GE.

That's enough to have beaten Labour on the popular vote count...

Edited June 23 by Weston Super Saint

[sadoldgit]

24 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I don’t want a government which reflects the voting wishes of the public, in a PR sense, you need to give somebody a mandate to rule the country. If you dilute the authority of whoever’s in charge, you just end up with every party blocking policies they don’t like and nothing gets done. Give one party a decent level of authority and if they’re sh*t boot them out at the next GE.

Which means you are stuck with a shit government for 5 years. There is very little black and white in politics but if you have a government with a massive majority you can wave goodbye to grey (compromise).  Our current voting system means we get a government that the majority of voters don’t want doing things the voters don’t want done. Democracy is all about government of the people by the people for the people, not for a minority. The LibDems managed to put the brakes on some of the Tories worst policies, but once they were gone we had further years of worse damage. I agree, it hampers governance by the main party, why is that a bad thing if most people didn’t vote for that party? Isn’t that what democracy is meant to be about?

[egg]

23 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

32.7% of the eligible voters did not vote in the last GE.

That's enough to have beaten Labour on the popular vote count...

Then they have no right to complain about what's served up.

Will you be voting?

[badgerx16]

40 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I don’t want a government which reflects the voting wishes of the public, in a PR sense, you need to give somebody a mandate to rule the country. If you dilute the authority of whoever’s in charge, you just end up with every party blocking policies they don’t like and nothing gets done. Give one party a decent level of authority and if they’re sh*t boot them out at the next GE.

The last Government that won a majority of the votes cast was elected in 1935, and no Government since Queen Victoria has won with a majority of the electorate. How is it right that you can get 42% of the votes cast yet have a commons majority of over 100 ?

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

That is the issue with all you dead heads. You suck up all you see and read on MSM and do not bother to try and look into things more. You have all been successfully brainwashed by the tell lie vision and the state. And that is why the UK and many other western style democracies are falling apart; because you are all so dumb you just let them walk all over you and lap up all the lies and BS. You are now getting what you fully deserve.

Hahahahahaha you fucking plank

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Then they have no right to complain about what's served up.

Will you be voting?

Nope.

I don't trust that any of them have anything but their own interests at heart.

[whelk]

16 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Nope.

I don't trust that any of them have anything but their own interests at heart.

Surprised you are posting on an election thread when it has so little interest to you

[whelk]

41 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Hahahahahaha you fucking plank

Fucking dead head

[egg]

16 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Nope.

I don't trust that any of them have anything but their own interests at heart.

Respect the honesty. Just spoke with my mum who says she'll vote Respect cos 'that Nigel seems nice'. FFS. I'd rather people didn't bother than do that, and for such a daft (and ill judged) reason.  

[Weston Super Saint]

6 minutes ago, whelk said:

Surprised you are posting on an election thread when it has so little interest to you

You're going to be even more surprised when you find out I still live in the UK, so whichever party will be running the country will still have an influence over my life in one way or another.

The fact that I don't trust any of them to get the decisions right doesn't mean I'm not interested in what fuck ups they are going to make.

[whelk]

26 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You're going to be even more surprised when you find out I still live in the UK, so whichever party will be running the country will still have an influence over my life in one way or another.

The fact that I don't trust any of them to get the decisions right doesn't mean I'm not interested in what fuck ups they are going to make.

Ok interested but not interested. Democracies wasted on the likes of you

[Weston Super Saint]

15 minutes ago, whelk said:

Ok interested but not interested. Democracies wasted on the likes of you

Sure.

[Lighthouse]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The last Government that won a majority of the votes cast was elected in 1935, and no Government since Queen Victoria has won with a majority of the electorate. How is it right that you can get 42% of the votes cast yet have a commons majority of over 100 ?

Yes but think what that actually implies in the grans scheme of things. Regardless of your political preference, if you evened out the authority so that it was proportional to the vote, nobody would have had a mandate to affect any real policies since the days of Queen Vic. We'd be stuck in the same quagmire of bureaucracy, lobbyists and conflicts of interest indefinitely. 

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Yes but think what that actually implies in the grans scheme of things. Regardless of your political preference, if you evened out the authority so that it was proportional to the vote, nobody would have had a mandate to affect any real policies since the days of Queen Vic. We'd be stuck in the same quagmire of bureaucracy, lobbyists and conflicts of interest indefinitely. 

How do other countries do it then? Certainly in Europe we’re in a minority of countries that use FPTP, most countries have a version of proportional representation.

[badgerx16]

32 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

How do other countries do it then? Certainly in Europe we’re in a minority of countries that use FPTP, most countries have a version of proportional representation.

The US Presidential election is effectively FPTP in awarding each state's Electoral College votes, and Donnie won in 2016 whilst losing the national popular vote.

Edited June 23 by badgerx16

[Sheaf Saint]

40 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

How do other countries do it then? Certainly in Europe we’re in a minority of countries that use FPTP, most countries have a version of proportional representation.

Finland's government exists in a sort of perpetual state of coalition, yet they regularly come out on top of the World Happiness report, so it must work for them. 

Their current government includes representatives from a far-right, anti-immigration party.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

How do other countries do it then? Certainly in Europe we’re in a minority of countries that use FPTP, most countries have a version of proportional representation.

I don’t know, I’m just advocating for the principle of what I believe is best. Overall I think our current system strikes a reasonable balance between representing the population and giving one party enough authority to rule the country.

As for Sheaf’s mention of Finland, they’re a much smaller population, spread over a very large area; a completely different prospect to try and manage.

[aintforever]

56 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I don’t know, I’m just advocating for the principle of what I believe is best. Overall I think our current system strikes a reasonable balance between representing the population and giving one party enough authority to rule the country.

Can’t agree with that. The last election was a Tory landslide but still more people voted for left leaning parties than them. The whole system is outdated and is why we end up with having to choose between the likes of Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn for PM. 

[The Kraken]

34 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Can’t agree with that. The last election was a Tory landslide but still more people voted for left leaning parties than them. The whole system is outdated and is why we end up with having to choose between the likes of Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn for PM. 

PR wouldn’t have stopped that. In 2019 Con and Lab totalled 75% of the popular vote, those two were the leaders of the two most popular parties by a heavy distance.

[Sheaf Saint]

Just now, The Kraken said:

PR wouldn’t have stopped that. In 2019 Con and Lab totalled 75% of the popular vote, those two were the leaders of the two most popular parties by a heavy distance.

True, but the vote spread would have been different if people knew there would be PR.

For example, I am more than happy to vote Green in the local council elections, because they have a much better chance of winning seats and actually having a voice in the council due to the way councils are made up. However, I wouldn't vote for them in a GE because FPTP guarantees that would be a completely wasted vote (although it's worth pointing out that, even if that weren't the case, I still wouldn't vote for them due to their ridiculous stance on nuclear energy).

When it comes to election day, most people understand fully that FPTP benefits the two main parties most and a large majority will vote along those lines. But if we had any kind of PR, those voting patterns would not be the same.

[Lighthouse]

35 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Can’t agree with that. The last election was a Tory landslide but still more people voted for left leaning parties than them. The whole system is outdated and is why we end up with having to choose between the likes of Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn for PM. 

But that's the fault of those parties and the centre-left of politics in general. If the Tories get wiped out in July and a fair chunk of the disillusioned right vote reform, you wont be saying that it's not fair that the right aren't represented by a proportionate number of MPs. Let's be honest, if a safe Tory seat ends up being 14,000 Lab, 12,000 Tory and 7,000 Reform, you will probably find it hilarious.

If the 'left leaning' parties can't establish a clear and concise direction, with an obvious favourite among the electorate, then you can't really umbrella them under that term.

[aintforever]

27 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

PR wouldn’t have stopped that. In 2019 Con and Lab totalled 75% of the popular vote, those two were the leaders of the two most popular parties by a heavy distance.

Don’t agree with that, I think if we had PR then people would vote differently and the parties would be different to how they are now. Corbyn would probably be leader of a momentum party and there would be another centre left Labour Party with someone actually electable in charge. I expect the Tories would be completely different as well with the headbangers on the right in a party with the reform loons and the rest in a sensible centre right party.

Edited June 23 by aintforever

[aintforever]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

But that's the fault of those parties and the centre-left of politics in general. If the Tories get wiped out in July and a fair chunk of the disillusioned right vote reform, you wont be saying that it's not fair that the right aren't represented by a proportionate number of MPs. Let's be honest, if a safe Tory seat ends up being 14,000 Lab, 12,000 Tory and 7,000 Reform, you will probably find it hilarious.

If the 'left leaning' parties can't establish a clear and concise direction, with an obvious favourite among the electorate, then you can't really umbrella them under that term.

If Tories get wiped out I will find it hilarious but it won’t change my view on PR. I would prefer a Labour government to the Tories but I am not a huge fan of Labour or Starmer.

That just shows how fucked the system is, I vote Lib Dem because where I live it’s a straight choice between them and the Tories. I want Starmer to be PM because it’s a choice between him and Sunak even though I don’t think he’s that good yet if my vote actually counted I would vote Green because I think the environment is the most important issue we face.

Edited June 23 by aintforever

[The Kraken]

16 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

True, but the vote spread would have been different if people knew there would be PR.

For example, I am more than happy to vote Green in the local council elections, because they have a much better chance of winning seats and actually having a voice in the council due to the way councils are made up. However, I wouldn't vote for them in a GE because FPTP guarantees that would be a completely wasted vote (although it's worth pointing out that, even if that weren't the case, I still wouldn't vote for them due to their ridiculous stance on nuclear energy).

When it comes to election day, most people understand fully that FPTP benefits the two main parties most and a large majority will vote along those lines. But if we had any kind of PR, those voting patterns would not be the same.

I mostly agree but 2019 was an exceptional election, the Tories polled near 50% of the popular vote, and they ran on their “get Brexit done” mantra.  Even with PR I don’t think their vote share would’ve dropped off all that much for that election. I think the Labour vote may have diminished even more than it did due to the toxicity of Jezza.

I’m a fan of the idea of PR but I don’t see it happening here any time. Especially after the debacle of the AV ref in 2011.

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I mostly agree but 2019 was an exceptional election, the Tories polled near 50% of the popular vote, and they ran on their “get Brexit done” mantra.  Even with PR I don’t think their vote share would’ve dropped off all that much for that election. I think the Labour vote may have diminished even more than it did due to the toxicity of Jezza.

I’m a fan of the idea of PR but I don’t see it happening here any time. Especially after the debacle of the AV ref in 2011.

PR will not be considered because both major parties prefer to keep FPTP, as it favours them so strongly. The AV referendum was a sap to the LDs that the Tory majority within the coalition set up to fail - they knew AV was not acceptable to PR's proponents as it is not truly proportional.

[east-stand-nic]

On 23/06/2024 at 13:36, Fan The Flames said:

That's all you got Nic, laughing emojis and rhetorical bullshit. You come with baby rants about MSM, the BBC, middle of the road politicians, but they're just valueless rants. You never come with any solutions, you remain vague as fuck so your ideas can't be examined. Tell us what the solutions are, put up or shut up.

LOL, the solutions are obvious. Do you really need to be told? Rants. LOL. I am just stating the facts but as ever u brainwashed lot refuse to see the possibility of any other way then your own way of thinking. U are not worth debating with as u have no vision other than the one they imprint in to you.