The Euro 2024 Thread

[East Kent Saint]

9 hours ago, Oldandtired said:

And to add insult to injury having the decisions explained by an American woman to a Premier League manager and two top ex footballers. It's bollocks.... I can see me getting very irate next season.

Lots of managers/players don't seem to know the rules fully 😄 In this case I had trouble following her explaination as she didn't have a clear voice , could be the accent so relied on the slo mo , which wasn't always clear . ITV will have to up their game .

[East Kent Saint]

VAR I thought would be better in the Euros than our Prem but last night the match was ruined for me . It turned the game into a lottery . The handball watched at normal speed was pretty unavoidable I thought the the mm offside just silly what advantage is that ? Perhaps they could add to the rules of offside that if it couldn't be detected by a human in normal speed then the attacker gets the benefit of the doubt . At least we would have more goals to celebrate .

[Gingeletiss]

28 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Lots of managers/players don't seem to know the rules fully 😄 In this case I had trouble following her explaination as she didn't have a clear voice , could be the accent so relied on the slo mo , which wasn't always clear . ITV will have to up their game .

They might know the Laws though.

[Oldandtired]

20 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

 then the attacker gets the benefit of the doubt . 

Istr that exactly what was touted about VAR when it was introduced. This of course is before the degree of pedantry which makes even the most officious H&S inspector look like a wild child was introduced.

I was so pumped up to see us get promoted, I hope I don’t start wishing for the good ole pre VAR championship days before the upcoming season is out. It’s a pure joy hoover.

Edited 30 June, 2024 by Oldandtired

[LuckyNumber7]

41 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

VAR I thought would be better in the Euros than our Prem but last night the match was ruined for me . It turned the game into a lottery . The handball watched at normal speed was pretty unavoidable I thought the the mm offside just silly what advantage is that ? Perhaps they could add to the rules of offside that if it couldn't be detected by a human in normal speed then the attacker gets the benefit of the doubt . At least we would have more goals to celebrate .

The handball was certainly debateable but that is an issue with the interpretation of the rules, not VAR. According to the rules as they are it was the correct decision so Michael Oliver had no choice but to give it. It's what constitutes a handball that needs looking at.

The offside I don't have a problem with as it's factual. The line has to be drawn somewhere, you can't just say it was close so we'll give the goal. It's either offside or it's not, no matter how small the margin. Personally I would rather they used the feet as the marker but that wouldn't have made a difference to that Denmark goal anyway.

As for your last point, VAR has also given goals that were disallowed on field, it doesn't just take them away.

[Charlie Wayman]

5 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

The handball was certainly debateable but that is an issue with the interpretation of the rules, not VAR. According to the rules as they are it was the correct decision so Michael Oliver had no choice but to give it. It's what constitutes a handball that needs looking at.

The offside I don't have a problem with as it's factual. The line has to be drawn somewhere, you can't just say it was close so we'll give the goal. It's either offside or it's not, no matter how small the margin. Personally I would rather they used the feet as the marker but that wouldn't have made a difference to that Denmark goal anyway.

As for your last point, VAR has also given goals that were disallowed on field, it doesn't just take them away.

There was also a case for keeping Germany as host in the competition at any cost. 

Once they had settled Denmark were by far the better side and deseved to win. 

[Saint NL]

The thing that stood out yesterday was that handballs are now a binary thing. There used to be a bit of nuance (ball to hand etc) but now if the attacking team touch the ball with a hand, it's disallowed, the defending team do it and it's a penalty. 

Not to say it's right or wrong, but it's different from the way the game has always been played. So if this is here to stay then it should be been communicated to avoid these surprises.

 

The American ref lady on TV last night was saying that proximity is not longer a factor in handball decisions. Imo that's a bit shit, but if that's the rule and it's enforced consistently then they'll even out over the season or something.

Edited 30 June, 2024 by Saint NL

[East Kent Saint]

I see now why the VAR decisions were made (thanks for the laws update!) But it spoiled my enjoyment of the match and I wasn't even taking sides .

Vest seemed ok in this match , no major clangers 😄

Edited 30 June, 2024 by East Kent Saint

[SaintsBarry74]

£1.5 billion of your finest sterling pounds, led by none other than Gareth Southgate, are ready to wreak havoc on minnow Slovakia—a nation whose number one sport is ice hockey.

Come on Gareth, bring it home son.

[gio1saints]

Players have already been playing for ball to arm penalties- and practising for ball to arm penalties - for quite some time.

It's quite a skill though totally outside of the spirit of the game and next season in the EPL I hope our team is up to speed on it. 

[whelk]

Southgate really gambling with that lineup

[Totton Saint]

22 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

When Southgate said he had noone to fill the Phillips role, he was really kicking himself for not being brave enough to reach down a division for Downes.

And to put KWP on the left of defence.

Yes . Channon played for England when playing in the old division2

[FarehamSaintJames]

15 minutes ago, whelk said:

Southgate really gambling with that lineup

Got to love a lack of imagination.

Saka on the left would add width, especially given Tripper is so one footed.

Foden should be dropped, he was poor before but given he’s flown to the UK and back in the last five days would suggest he isn’t match fit.

Palmer should be playing.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Much as others have said. Mainoo a better option than TAA. But if Foden moves in, Rice is doing a lot of support for one footed Trippier and if Mainoo moves out of position.

Higher tempo, quicker passing are musts so the weaknesses aren't exploited. Hopefully, Southgate has sat them down with a few RussBall videos to show them how it's done.🙂

[whelk]

Trippier should not be in this team

[egg]

Just now, whelk said:

Trippier should not be in this team

Yep. That was sloppy. Fair play to Guehe though, doing what he had to do knowing that's him out if we get through. 

[AlexLaw76]

5 mins in, same shite 

[northam soul]

This England team remind you of anyone with their passing around at the back whilst being pressed.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Nice from Saka and now booked Mainoo.

Slovakia doing well, targeting that left flank weakness that was clear for everyone to see. Deliveries into the box decent.

[adrian lord]

Trippier puts it into orbit. Never mind the stands…

[egg]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

5 mins in, same shite 

I dunno, 2 yellows and the worst shot you'll ever see, so more excitement than normal. Or something. 

[S-Clarke]

I think Trippier is done at the top level, I include Newcastle in that too.  Should have picked someone like Chilwell for this tournament.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Surprised the ref didn't book Trippier for endangering innocent birds flying past, with that shot.

[whelk]

Cross the ball FFS 

[egg]

Having Saka RW would work if Saka had a right foot. Liking the look of Mainoo thou. 

[bpsaint]

Slovakia look by far the most threatening already. Opening us up with ease at the back.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Two poor efforts from Walker. Players in there. Misses them all first time, doesn't bother getting it in at all second. Then caught out as Slovakia attack.

England seem almost pushed into attacking in response to Slovakia's strong start. 3 early cards.

[SNSUN]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Cross the ball FFS 

Ha I yelled the same thing.

[Saint Billy]

The ref is determined to book every single player.

[SNSUN]

Could be a sending off this game. Either side.

[Gloucester Saint]

They’re so hesitant, Walker should have crossed and bottled it, Saka should have done when he got to the line. Then Walker makes a terrible mess and Slovakia somehow don’t score. Slovakia should be 3-0 up already, they’re miles better than England so far, better more progressive footballers and a better team. They’ve certainly found where England’s weaknesses are and unlike the group teams are willing to exploit them. 

Now Bellingham’s booked, with Mainoo booked early, England will be down to 10 shortly. England players look similar to what Saints faced last season in the Championship last season, it shows you how much the overseas stars make them look half decent. 

Edited 30 June, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[egg]

Why do they keep singing Bruce Springsteen? More entertaining than the match though. 

[BotleySaint]

Zero movement upfront again. What do they work on in training?

[BotleySaint]

I think we need to get Bellingham off. Looks like he's lost it already.

[adrian lord]

The ref is hopeless and very card happy. Red cards will be brandished by the end.

Edited 30 June, 2024 by adrian lord

[egg]

Just now, adrian lord said:

The ref is hopeless and very card happy. Red cards will be flaunted by the end.

I reckon we'll see one by half time. I'm taking Bellingham. 

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Zero movement upfront again. What do they work on in training?

I think they just play darts and film M & S adverts 

[SNSUN]

1 minute ago, egg said:

I reckon we'll see one by half time. I'm taking Bellingham. 

Mainoo for me. Young, willing to impress, one foot wrong and he's toast. 

[SNSUN]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep. That was sloppy. Fair play to Guehe though, doing what he had to do knowing that's him out if we get through. 

Yeah no Guehi for the Quarters (if it matters). Dunk, Konsa or Gomez then. Dunk for me.

If it matters...

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

I reckon we'll see one by half time. I'm taking Bellingham. 

6 fouls, 4 yellows 

[Gingeletiss]

England attacks just end when Trippier gets the ball, flaps his arms and plays it backwards. BAFF………boring as fuck football.

[egg]

1 minute ago, SNSUN said:

Yeah no Guehi for the Quarters (if it matters). Dunk, Konsa or Gomez then. Dunk for me.

If it matters...

It will. I fancy us to win by a couple. Those would be normal choices. He'll probably slide Walker across to get Trent (TM) in. 

[Saint Billy]

Christ, a shot.

[SNSUN]

Well shit

 

[Toadhall Saint]

And there we have it

[adrian lord]

lol 

there it is.

[SNSUN]

1 minute ago, egg said:

It will. I fancy us to win by a couple. Those would be normal choices. He'll probably slide Walker across to get Trent (TM) in. 

3 goals needed then!

[Holmes_and_Watson]

An effort there for England. Where they've been direct and central.

 It was beginning to go the same way.

No movement off the ball. Never trying to pick out attackers, and stopping to go sideways, for no advantage.

[whelk]

Nothing more than the useless fuckers deserve

[AlexLaw76]

Crap. Ponderous. Crap. No movement up top 

if Southgate has anything about him, he would actually change it up

Edited 30 June, 2024 by AlexLaw76