Jimmy_D Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Well, we’ve done what we needed to, just about. Knock out games always play out differently, we won’t be facing all out defence again like we did tonight. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southner Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just now, egg said: It was worse than that. Was talking about my opinion of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Kane thinks we played much better tonight. Hmmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Colinjb said: Have Denmark beaten Slovenia into 2nd place on Alphabetical difference? Either tournament yellow card count, or if that is level it is because they had a better head to head over Slovenia in qualifying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 45 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: This is why Southgate …. Bellingham is top level, elite class. No one can look good in a Southgate team. We don't have a problem with the players in the final third of the team, they are all good enough without question. They are being strangled by a manager who has swallowed a book on how to defend a 0-0. Haven’t we said the same about every underachieving England manager since 1974 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just now, badgerx16 said: Either tournament yellow card count, or if that is level it is because they had a better head to head over Slovenia in qualifying. Seems it is yellow cards, even then only one yellow in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Bellingham has been garbage the last two games, I would start with Palmer next game. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Holland are a little dodgy defensively, but we won't cause them enough problems to make them worry. Not expecting anything other than a comfortable Dutch win on Sunday, putting an end to this miserable attempt. At this stage we might as well have stayed at home, although it feels like we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Better 2nd half but still feel there is more to get out this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, Southner said: Was talking about my opinion of the game. Ditto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said: Well, we’ve done what we needed to, just about. Knock out games always play out differently, we won’t be facing all out defence again like we did tonight. Opportunity to find out how shit our defence is to go with our blunt attack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 So glad I was there for that great closing moment. England getting a shot. Slovenia's defensive line remained solid. England utterly failed to get past it, preceding a risk free passing it back and forth in front of it. Mainoo was mobile to start with, popping up to get things going. But there wasn't much else going on around him. Foden and Bellingham faded more and more. Palmer livelier. But not really until Gordon, did we get someone willing to run and stretch their full back. Foden's cutting in, just made no difference up until then. Better sides are going to be a bit more expansive, which may well suit England, giving them more space, while keeping that risk averse set up. But if they concede first against anyone capable of putting up a decent block, they are in trouble. The player with the best eye for a forward pass was Pickford tonight, urging the team forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Kane thinks we played much better tonight. Hmmmmmm. compared to the absolute shit show of the last game he's right. One or two passes actually went to a team mate tonight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 56 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Grudgingly. Had to bring on TAA at some point. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Gallagher so abysmally bad, even worse than a right back out of position. A team with more attacking threat would have punished all those mistakes in the 1st half. Thought england were somewhat better in 2nd half. Mainoo was at least competent. I'm sure JWP is at home thinking, if i played for Chelsea or man u i'd be in this england squad though. Fortunate that Denmark also are poor otherwise they would have got Germany and then their tournament would have been over imo. Likely to make at least the quarters now you'd think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 8 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Kane thinks we played much better tonight. Hmmmmmm. According to Stones we created more chances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 57 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: The wrong change at this stage though, we need more width on the left and someone to commit their defenders, it's only bloody Slovenia.. We didn't need another CM to pass it backwards at this stage. I was hoping that it would allow Rice more freedom. That between them, they then be able to string some passes together. It was actually Mainoo who got that freedom, but England did nothing with it. And yes, it was crying out for Gordon for most of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: Had to bring on TAA at some point. 🙂 to be fair Walker offered zero going forward and we weren't exactly being tested at the back. Part of Englands problem is we get nothing from either fullback. One decent cross apart, Trippier gave us nothing. Walker is limited, which is OK, but we cant have that on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southner Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 6 minutes ago, egg said: Ditto! Your opinion wasn't dreadful. Mine was. Lols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 If we win the Euros I will shave my pubes off and get a tattoo of Russ hugging Gareth on my beanbag. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Neville, "basic in the first half is being kind". Good lad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 hours ago, The Kraken said: Right let’s jinx it. I don’t think Gallagher is any better than ‘Trent’ at CM. Much prefer Mainoo there, Gallagher is a passenger. I mean, it was a bit obvious wasn’t it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 14 minutes ago, Chez said: to be fair Walker offered zero going forward and we weren't exactly being tested at the back. Part of Englands problem is we get nothing from either fullback. One decent cross apart, Trippier gave us nothing. Walker is limited, which is OK, but we cant have that on both sides. Tactical, by the looks of it. Cautious back line, always able to get back. Relying on those further up to unlock a defensive team. But it also had a lack of passing and/or penetration to push through the middle, even with Foden moving in to give more numbers. No pace in passing out wide to allow Saka to move into space (so deep a lot of the time as was Kane) and no one there at all in Foden's case, when he cut in. Trippier out left limits him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I finally got to the pub to watch England,.I finally got to cheer an England goal... ...only it was miles offside and the rest of the game was a snorefest. I'm Phil Jupitus from Mike Bassett. If we win the Euros I will jack my job in and become a binman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 27 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Gallagher so abysmally bad, even worse than a right back out of position. A team with more attacking threat would have punished all those mistakes in the 1st half. Thought england were somewhat better in 2nd half. Mainoo was at least competent. I'm sure JWP is at home thinking, if i played for Chelsea or man u i'd be in this england squad though. Fortunate that Denmark also are poor otherwise they would have got Germany and then their tournament would have been over imo. Likely to make at least the quarters now you'd think. Really? I'd say it would be very much in the balance that we beat the Netherlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Really? I'd say it would be very much in the balance that we beat the Netherlands. There are four other teams we might play - its not guaranteed to be the cloggists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just woken up and seen we drew..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 What a dour group. 1 win and every other game a draw 😂 Denmark finished above Slovenia on FIFA ranking FFS! The Dutch will come at us which may suit us a bit more but my god we are going to need to improve. The draw has opened up for us but it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if we’re out by Sunday night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsBarry74 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 England topped Group C despite not scoring a single goal in the second half and only winning one match. They've recorded a lower xG (2,26) than any other side that has qualified for the knockout stages at the EUROs, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, LGTL said: The Dutch will come at us which may suit us a bit more but my god we are going to need to improve. The draw has opened up for us but it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if we’re out by Sunday night. We could be playing Romania, Belgium, Slovakia, Ukraine or Netherlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsBarry74 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Not a bad showing from Southgates' £1.4B squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 1 minute ago, Patches O Houlihan said: We could be playing Romania, Belgium, Slovakia, Ukraine or Netherlands. It will be Netherlands unless Georgia (very unlikely) or Czech Republic win tomorrow, according to the tele. Here’s hoping Edited June 25 by LGTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamsaint1 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said: Not a bad showing from Southgates' £1.4B squad. And thats £1.4 Bn without Grealish. Who Southgate thinks would make us less good than his current selections. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 35 minutes ago, SaintsBarry74 said: England topped Group C despite not scoring a single goal in the second half and only winning one match. They've recorded a lower xG (2,26) than any other side that has qualified for the knockout stages at the EUROs, This is the crux of our problem and what you get from a Gareth Southgate team in a tournament. He will be over the moon that we have conceded just one goal in three games and kept two clean sheets. Unfortunately he sets us up to be so hard to score against that he squeezes the life out of any creativity and the players are clearly drilled not to take any risks. It's mind-numbingly dull and i'm convinced we'd do far better by going gung-ho and attacking teams at pace from the first whistle. Palmer and Mainoo both staked good claims to start the next match but will likely be back on bench-warming duties while the plodders plod around and stick to Southgate's game plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I agree with Kane that this was a better performance than against Denmark, but that was so appallingly bad that even this depressing performance was better. Not much to get excited about apart from Cole Palmer’s cameo. You have to wonder why he left it so long to bring Gordon on too. The team that finished actually showed some gumption so I am expecting the same starting line up on Sunday as tonight ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, LGTL said: It will be Netherlands unless Georgia (very unlikely) or Czech Republic win tomorrow, according to the tele. Here’s hoping That’s wrong from what I heard. We can play Netherlands or any of the teams from Group E (Romania, Belgium, Slovakia, Ukraine) - basically which ever one finishes 3rd and they are all on 3 points. Edited June 25 by maysie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, maysie said: That’s wrong from what I heard. We can play Netherlands or any of the teams from Group E (Romania, Belgium, Slovakia, Ukraine) - basically which ever one finishes 3rd and they are all on 3 points. Actually @LGTL you’re right I think. From BBC: Who could England play in the last 16? By winning the group, England have avoided a last-16 game against Germany and will instead face the Netherlands or whoever finishes third in Group E at 17:00 BST on Sunday. As it stands, Romania, Belgium, Slovakia and Ukraine are all locked on three points each in Group E so it could yet end up being any one of those four. Confusingly, however, it's actually the results in Group F on Wednesday which will decide who the Three Lions face next. Stay with us for the next bit. Southgate's men will face the Dutch, who finished third in Group D, unless the Czech Republic beat Turkey or Georgia are victorious against Portugal in Group F. That's because Turkey, Czech Republic and Georgia can all finish third in Group F - and, if they do so while ending up with three points or more, they would take Hungary's place in the third-placed standings. The knock-on impact of that will leave England with a tie against someone in Group E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted June 26 Author Share Posted June 26 5 hours ago, sadoldgit said: I agree with Kane that this was a better performance than against Denmark, but that was so appallingly bad that even this depressing performance was better. Not much to get excited about apart from Cole Palmer’s cameo. You have to wonder why he left it so long to bring Gordon on too. The team that finished actually showed some gumption so I am expecting the same starting line up on Sunday as tonight ☹️ I ageee. Palmer looked very good when he came on. However, how the hell does Southgate fit him in, as Saka, Bellingham seem undroppable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east-stand-nic Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I figure GS is trying to get sacked after the tournament so he can go and be the new Man Utd Manager. Nice pay off from the FA for a job well done blah blah blah and then a nice 67-9 months being useless at Man Utd and another huge pay off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 So out here and at the game last night and ‘every’ fan here I spoke to before game would pick the same team . Bellingham deeper alongside Rice, Foden 10, Gordon and Saka wide. Gallagher was terrible and should never start again, Mainoo movement made us better , Palmer was good apart from finish at end, Gordon should have been brought on 15 minutes earlier but safety first Southgate. Didnt like fans throwing things at him but brave of him to go round and clap fans. Definition of mentality is doing same things over and over and expecting something different he will not change. He did what had to do and topped the group. Bellingham looked knackered, Kane abysmal for this shape , Trent played 3 of first passes 10 yards away from target. Saka never got going shut him down not much else. Foden better last night. England fans songs boring and repetitive only sang about 4 songs . Slovenia fans great and despite what any press will invent there wasn’t any trouble. My lad spent game with their ultras as we had different tickets in ballot in our group. I think the female German police are recruited from a model agency! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Enjoying the clamour for Gordon, Mainoo and Palmer to start without anyone mentioning the Iceland game just over 2 weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 A message to all pubs and supermarkets. Flog your beer and burgers as quick as you can, can't see this lot lasting much longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Nothing less than a tactical shambles considering the supposed squad quality on offer. And that’s across the whole side not just in attack…we were lucky not to have faced a more attack-minded and clinical team in the group. If we concede first I think we’ll crumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said: I figure GS is trying to get sacked after the tournament so he can go and be the new Man Utd Manager. Nice pay off from the FA for a job well done blah blah blah and then a nice 67-9 months being useless at Man Utd and another huge pay off. Wouldn’t have thought so https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c511vlg7jvno.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 2 hours ago, Give it to Ron said: So out here and at the game last night and ‘every’ fan here I spoke to before game would pick the same team . Bellingham deeper alongside Rice, Foden 10, Gordon and Saka wide. Gallagher was terrible and should never start again, Mainoo movement made us better , Palmer was good apart from finish at end, Gordon should have been brought on 15 minutes earlier but safety first Southgate. Didnt like fans throwing things at him but brave of him to go round and clap fans. Definition of mentality is doing same things over and over and expecting something different he will not change. He did what had to do and topped the group. Bellingham looked knackered, Kane abysmal for this shape , Trent played 3 of first passes 10 yards away from target. Saka never got going shut him down not much else. Foden better last night. England fans songs boring and repetitive only sang about 4 songs . Slovenia fans great and despite what any press will invent there wasn’t any trouble. My lad spent game with their ultras as we had different tickets in ballot in our group. I think the female German police are recruited from a model agency! Rule 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: Enjoying the clamour for Gordon, Mainoo and Palmer to start without anyone mentioning the Iceland game just over 2 weeks ago. Thats was a friendly a game that had players trying not to get injured you do know that? The two other games were so good and great performances. We need pace and width playing Trippier and Walker not overlapping means it’s all narrow and players who can commit and go past players that’s why the clamour Edited June 26 by Give it to Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 10 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Holland are a little dodgy defensively, but we won't cause them enough problems to make them worry. Not expecting anything other than a comfortable Dutch win on Sunday, putting an end to this miserable attempt. At this stage we might as well have stayed at home, although it feels like we have. The Netherlands. Keep the respect. We'll contrive to beat them somehow and stumble on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 48 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: Enjoying the clamour for Gordon, Mainoo and Palmer to start without anyone mentioning the Iceland game just over 2 weeks ago. i did enjoy seeing gordon's first touch being a horrible miscontrol out of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I dashed all sweaty from training to watch in my local pub. Why did I bother?! Well, at least I had a few pints of Gooden's Gold and moaning about the game is so much better in company.. Pedestrian, unimaginative, poor passing, unambitious; very few positives to take from the game. Mainoo perhaps? And why Gordon with only a couple of minutes to go, that's just a time wasting exercise, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I had a terrible dream last night, I was forced to watch a Claude Puel backwards and sideways masterclass on a loop - it was so dull I just couldn't wake up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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