pimpin4rizeal Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 On 18/07/2022 at 10:54, S-Clarke said: £25-30m is a huge amount of money on someone who in the main is still what I'd class as an inexperienced/unproven player. I think that fee is paying for the potential as he clearly has a ton of it and will become top class - but for that fee I'd expect someone a tiny bit more experienced. Unless any buy-back is in the region of £60m then it's a poor deal for West Ham. I'd 'hope' our scouting is more than good enough to find a player who can score us 9/10 goals and is in and around the £10-15m mark. Basically we missed a trick not signing Broja last summer, I think we probably wanted to but we had no money (I reckon we'd have got him for £10-15m). We should or probably left Armstrong and gone for it with broja in hindsight.. even on the YouTube vids broja looked. Something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperSAINT Posted 19 July, 2022 Share Posted 19 July, 2022 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: Please use the #ColwillWatch hash-tag, MLG. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 12 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: I do wonder if this means another loan is on the cards, if this is true and they have turned down West Ham’s bid. If it does we could still be in the running, sign a striker, get Broja as a loan = 2 strikers, job done ! 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 2 hours ago, beatlesaint said: I do wonder if this means another loan is on the cards, if this is true and they have turned down West Ham’s bid. If it does we could still be in the running, sign a striker, get Broja as a loan = 2 strikers, job done ! 🤣 That would be amazing, hope it happens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 (edited) Was trying to think of other options then saw Bathshuayi is back at Chelsea too . I think we are missing that big target man and both Che or Adam A could play off him. Not seen by anyone linked to him lately and alternative to Broja Edited 20 July, 2022 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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S-Clarke Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said: This just sounds like Chelsea posturing to get themselves the biggest fee they can get. You can see it from Broja's point of view, he wants the oppertunity to be the main man at a club and lead the line, which I assume he will do at WHU. He has less oppertunity to do that at Chelsea and at best, you'd imagine, he'd be a bench player with occasional starts. Players win these battles most of the time if they want the move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: This just sounds like Chelsea posturing to get themselves the biggest fee they can get. You can see it from Broja's point of view, he wants the oppertunity to be the main man at a club and lead the line, which I assume he will do at WHU. He has less oppertunity to do that at Chelsea and at best, you'd imagine, he'd be a bench player with occasional starts. Players win these battles most of the time if they want the move. I can see him being a massive success at West Ham. Moyes will play to his strengths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 11 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I can see him being a massive success at West Ham. Moyes will play to his strengths WHU are certainly due a succesful striker signing. They've spent fortunes on centre forwards over the last 15 or so years and a winger, converted forward, turned into their most potent threat in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 30 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I can see him being a massive success at West Ham. Moyes will play to his strengths You mean unlike our coaching supremo who having seen what his strengths were decided to ignore them and plonked him way upfield on his own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 33 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I can see him being a massive success at West Ham. Moyes will play to his strengths With Bowen/Antonio/Benrahma around him. He will be very good there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 My West Ham supporting mate is salivating over the prospect of signing Broja and how he'll fit into their system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 10 minutes ago, coalman said: My West Ham supporting mate is salivating over the prospect of signing Broja and how he'll fit into their system. They will have a song 🎶 for him sorted by the time he signs aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 1 hour ago, coalman said: My West Ham supporting mate is salivating over the prospect of signing Broja and how he'll fit into their system. If Broja goes there, can Scamacca come to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 52 minutes ago, Chez said: If Broja goes there, can Scamacca come to us? If we've got £40m kicking around down the back of the sofa! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 10 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: If we've got £40m kicking around down the back of the sofa! people keep telling me SR are doing things differently, so who knows.but in reality we ain't spending £40m on a player. Jury is still out as to whether they are investing/loaning/gifting much at all. Have they just used the cash from the loan to sign these promising youngsters and are running the club as a self sustainable business? If that's the case, we probably need to sell Bednarek sharpish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 1 minute ago, Chez said: people keep telling me SR are doing things differently, so who knows.but in reality we ain't spending £40m on a player. Jury is still out as to whether they are investing/loaning/gifting much at all. Have they just used the cash from the loan to sign these promising youngsters and are running the club as a self sustainable business? If that's the case, we probably need to sell Bednarek sharpish. I don't believe the loan has been touched, in fact there was chatter that they were looking at ways to clear that this year. The thing is what we're doing, as others have said, is what pretty much every PL club can do with a decent engaged owner. The money you get from TV alone is enough to make a signing with. I think they've invested a bit of money, not huge amounts, but enough to enable us to move and operate like any other PL club. Being able to approach coaches who are already in jobs, signing players before selling etc. They appreciate that the initial investment will likely return rewards in the future, so it's a case of speculating to accumulate - something we couldn't even broach under Gao. The thing is they don't need to rip up the book and change everything, by just being engaged and offering a bit of support we are already in a different league. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 1 hour ago, Chez said: If Broja goes there, can Scamacca come to us? Not only has the selfish mofo not said thanks but he wants him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 On 19/07/2022 at 17:30, pimpin4rizeal said: We should or probably left Armstrong and gone for it with broja in hindsight.. even on the YouTube vids broja looked. Something else He had just signed a 5 year deal with Chelsea and was with them in pre season, plus we were still stuck with Gao then. £20m maybe but similar to the debates on the main summer transfer thread about Liam Delap if we had eg big risk, unproven etc. Adam Armstrong is a separate story but I don’t think he is being well utilised or coached, had a decent start but has gone from instinctive to hesitant and kept out of the side last season by a 35 year old that has just signed for Reading. Unless the coaching improves and the 10s area gets serious investment and fresh faces/players out, Erling Haaland would struggle let alone a £15m player from Blackburn. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 July, 2022 Share Posted 20 July, 2022 3 hours ago, Chez said: people keep telling me SR are doing things differently, so who knows.but in reality we ain't spending £40m on a player. Jury is still out as to whether they are investing/loaning/gifting much at all. Have they just used the cash from the loan to sign these promising youngsters and are running the club as a self sustainable business? If that's the case, we probably need to sell Bednarek sharpish. I have to disagree with this. I think SR are just going about their business without telling everyone (us included) what they're actually out to do. There have been a few murmurs from out transfers/links to suggest that when we're approaching players we're doing so with a "project" in mind, which would suggest a fair improvement on investment from what we've seen over the last near ten years. They just aren't shouting about the fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 6 hours ago, saintscottofthenortham said: I have to disagree with this. I think SR are just going about their business without telling everyone (us included) what they're actually out to do. There have been a few murmurs from out transfers/links to suggest that when we're approaching players we're doing so with a "project" in mind, which would suggest a fair improvement on investment from what we've seen over the last near ten years. They just aren't shouting about the fact. You maybe correct but buying a decent striker is not easy especially as a club we do not pay really high wages and are not likely to be in the top half of the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 9 hours ago, S-Clarke said: I don't believe the loan has been touched, in fact there was chatter that they were looking at ways to clear that this year. The thing is what we're doing, as others have said, is what pretty much every PL club can do with a decent engaged owner. The money you get from TV alone is enough to make a signing with. I think they've invested a bit of money, not huge amounts, but enough to enable us to move and operate like any other PL club. Being able to approach coaches who are already in jobs, signing players before selling etc. They appreciate that the initial investment will likely return rewards in the future, so it's a case of speculating to accumulate - something we couldn't even broach under Gao. The thing is they don't need to rip up the book and change everything, by just being engaged and offering a bit of support we are already in a different league. There is no evidence of SR: A) not touching the £28m in the bank left over from the loan - and why wouldn't they use this money? It's the club's money in the club's bank account. B) paying down/off the loan this year - but I sure hope they are as the debt will continue to grow. C) SR investing/putting their own money into the club - the transfer fees paid so far could be covered by the existing money in the bank account. You could argue that the transfers we have made so far would have been made should Gao have remained the owner. Not sure we are now in a different league. I think I'll reserve judgement until I've seen a couple of years financial accounts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 14 hours ago, S-Clarke said: If we've got £40m kicking around down the back of the sofa! not far off the mark there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 18 hours ago, S-Clarke said: If we've got £40m kicking around down the back of the sofa! Have west Ham really got £70m of loose change for Scamacca and Broja? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 July, 2022 Share Posted 21 July, 2022 Just now, Chez said: Have west Ham really got £70m of loose change for Scamacca and Broja? It helps when you don't have to pay for a stadium holding 65k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 July, 2022 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarisbury Saint Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: You’re a bit late as usual ,already posted several times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 July, 2022 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Sarisbury Saint said: You’re a bit late as usual ,already posted several times. Not in this thread is wasn't. This thread is for Broja discussion, the final part of the tweet concerns Broja. Edited 22 July, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarisbury Saint Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Not in this thread is wasn't. This thread is for Broja discussion, the final part of the tweet concerns Broja. So your just copying someone else then ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 July, 2022 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said: So your just copying someone else then ! No, I saw a Tweet on Twitter and posted it in a relevant thread to spark discussion. That is how football forums work. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemanson Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: No, I saw a Tweet on Twitter and posted it in a relevant thread to spark discussion. That is how football forums work. Someone may point out that telling us the source of the Tweet was unnecessary. Sorry, couldn't help myself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 MLG getting MLGed! I dunno what to believe anymore... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 Right I'll spark the Broja discussion that MLG wanted If indeed Fab is right, and he usually is, not sure it changes the fact that Chelsea want more than we are willing to pay for him. I reckon this drags on until deadline day, which isn't helpful for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: No, I saw a Tweet on Twitter and posted it in a relevant thread to spark discussion. That is how football forums work. Unless it's a rehash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 4 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: Right I'll spark the Broja discussion that MLG wanted If indeed Fab is right, and he usually is, not sure it changes the fact that Chelsea want more than we are willing to pay for him. I reckon this drags on until deadline day, which isn't helpful for us. It’s an interesting one because there’s so many seemingly conflicting stories. I read he wanted out. TT say they want him. I imagine Chelsea will sign more forwards late on and shift him out. Don’t Newcastle want a striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: It’s an interesting one because there’s so many seemingly conflicting stories. I read he wanted out. TT say they want him. I imagine Chelsea will sign more forwards late on and shift him out. Don’t Newcastle want a striker? Both these things can be true right? I can't see us waiting until the end of the window. We need a striker too much. Broja has a contract until 2026 so really he might just have to respect Chelsea's wishes. Or we take him on loan. Edited 22 July, 2022 by Ex Lion Tamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 Everton too, and supposedly bid for him when West Ham did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 22 July, 2022 Share Posted 22 July, 2022 1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said: Right I'll spark the Broja discussion that MLG wanted If indeed Fab is right, and he usually is, not sure it changes the fact that Chelsea want more than we are willing to pay for him. I reckon this drags on until deadline day, which isn't helpful for us. West Ham played Chelsea brilliantly. They managed to use Broja to get a decent deal on Scamacca and now Chelsea are left hanging. Chelsea are obviously open to selling Broja otherwise they wouldn’t have let him fly back from the pre season tour, and despite what Tuchel might say, they view Broja as a saleable asset. Way I see it is Chelsea now have to re-evaluate their asking price cos I don’t see anyone matching the West Ham bid unless Newcastle step in (which I think they would have done if they were serious). All slightly more positive for us I reckon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Chelsea don't have any strikers though, and seemingly want to get rid of Werner (but are having issues with people taking his wages) so Broja could quite easily play there if Tuchel likes him and they basically only have Havertz up front. It also doesn't make such sense we still are in for him when we are signing Mara and still apparently putting in bids for Delap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 1 hour ago, tajjuk said: Chelsea don't have any strikers though, and seemingly want to get rid of Werner (but are having issues with people taking his wages) so Broja could quite easily play there if Tuchel likes him and they basically only have Havertz up front. It also doesn't make such sense we still are in for him when we are signing Mara and still apparently putting in bids for Delap. If we look at West Ham and their pursuit then it makes sense to put bids in for multiple strikers. If Man City or Chelsea is looking to drive up the price then they also have to be aware that we have other options. If a potentially selling club thinks they are our only option then it gives them a stronger negotiating position. From Saints' perspective it would be great if we got either Broja or Delap. It would also make sense to have other targets because we may struggle to get either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 23 July, 2022 Share Posted 23 July, 2022 Tuchel has always been reluctant to let him be sold and even more so after Lukaku was sold. I suspect West Ham were willing to pay a higher fee but no buyback option. They had two offers on going which is sensible and then pulled the plug on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 24 July, 2022 Share Posted 24 July, 2022 13 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said: Tuchel has always been reluctant to let him be sold and even more so after Lukaku was sold. I suspect West Ham were willing to pay a higher fee but no buyback option. They had two offers on going which is sensible and then pulled the plug on one. Lukaku is a one year loan , currently they are doing a deal for another year . After losing 4-0 to Arsenal Tuchel has gone full Saints web in his reaction saying they won’t be ready for 6th Aug and need a load more signings 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beatlesaint Posted 29 July, 2022 Share Posted 29 July, 2022 13 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: That’s us out of the running then 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 29 July, 2022 Share Posted 29 July, 2022 (edited) Oh I really do wish A former poster was still about to see all this. The current European champions being interested in a player, who the former European champions don’t want to sell. The same player, that he spent all last season, trying his hardest, to point out was shit. Meanwhile, he with a higher ceiling is being linked with errrr Watford on loan. classic. Edited 29 July, 2022 by Dman 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 29 July, 2022 Share Posted 29 July, 2022 14 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: That’s us out of the running then 😂 I think it’s time for us to move on. A shame, clearly a really talent kid. Got bags of potential and even if he does / did want the move here, I’m not sure Chelsea want to sell… especially within our budget. Move on look elsewhere.. if we haven’t already. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 29 July, 2022 Share Posted 29 July, 2022 Close thread? Highly unlikely we’ve got the funds for him anyway if WH failed at £30m. Oh well, there’s others as good or better… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 30 July, 2022 Share Posted 30 July, 2022 Chelsea fans not exactly excited about Broja's performance today - 2 easy chance missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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