Armando Broja

[TWar]

4 minutes ago, trousers said:

The point I believe egg was making is that he already knows what you (and Dman) think of Broja and that it's futile/pointless repeating the same thing over and over again. What does telling us what we already know dozens of times a day actually achieve?

The argument of "it is a blip and he will return to form" becomes less and less valid after every failed performance.

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, TWar said:

The argument of "it is a blip and he will return to form" becomes less and less valid after every failed performance.

No it doesn't. He's 20 years old. 

[trousers]

4 minutes ago, TWar said:

The argument of "it is a blip and he will return to form" becomes less and less valid after every failed performance.

You've ducked my question, but I guess that underlines why these futile 'discussions' end up going round in circles.

[TWar]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

No it doesn't. He's 20 years old. 

So he can just continue to underperform indefinitely as he is 20. Weird that didn't work out for Obafemi...

[TWar]

Just now, trousers said:

You've ducked my question, but I guess that underlines why these futile 'discussions' end up going round in circles.

The answer to your question is I am rediscussing it in light of new evidence, ie another crap performance. Same reason why people have been saying Redmond is crap for about 5 years rather than mentioning it once in 2017 and never saying it again.

[trousers]

Just now, TWar said:

The answer to your question is I am rediscussing it in light of new evidence, ie another crap performance. Same reason why people have been saying Redmond is crap for about 5 years rather than mentioning it once in 2017 and never saying it again.

I'll leave you to it then. I'll give you a shout if I learn anything new from your ongoing 'discussions'...

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, TWar said:

So he can just continue to underperform indefinitely as he is 20. Weird that didn't work out for Obafemi...

There's a long history of very young players being inconsistent. He's clearly got quality and there's no indication that he's suddenly going to be rubbish for the rest of his career simply because he's gone through a few months of poor form. 

[TWar]

Just now, trousers said:

I'll leave you to it then. I'll give you a shout if I learn anything new from your ongoing 'discussions'...

Go for it. In the interim, if you aren't interested in discussions about Armando Broja may I suggest visiting a thread with a different title. As re-analysing the player after watching him play is kind of what this ones all about, unless he does something else worthy of note like drunk driving or starting a charity.

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, TWar said:

Go for it. In the interim, if you aren't interested in discussions about Armando Broja may I suggest visiting a thread with a different title. As re-analysing the player after watching him play is kind of what this ones all about, unless he does something else worthy of note like drunk driving or starting a charity.

You slag him off in every thread you fool 😂😂😂

[Sarisbury Saint]

7 minutes ago, trousers said:

You've ducked my question, but I guess that underlines why these futile 'discussions' end up going round in circles.

That and making things up is his speciality. Pointless arguing with him.

[TWar]

Just now, Sarisbury Saint said:

That and making things up is his speciality. Pointless arguing with him.

Then don't?

1 minute ago, Dman said:

You slag him off in every thread you fool 😂😂😂

I try to stick to it when relevant, sometimes I don't admittedly and apologies for that but I won't apologise for discussing Broja in the Broja thread. It's literally the point of it.

[trousers]

9 minutes ago, TWar said:

Go for it. In the interim, if you aren't interested in discussions about Armando Broja may I suggest visiting a thread with a different title. 

I'm interested in adult/intellectual threads about our players, just not childish playground-esque 'discussions'...

Edited 22 April, 2022 by trousers

[TWar]

Just now, trousers said:

I'm interested in adult/intellectual threads about our players, just not childish playground-esque 'discussions'...

I'm making arguments, providing statistics to back them up, haven't made any personal attacks or called anyone by any names. What more do you want in the way of "adult/intellectual" threads. I disagree with the consensus, that should be fine, I don't know what about that you see as childish?

[egg]

36 minutes ago, trousers said:

Who's the girl?! 

[trousers]

8 minutes ago, TWar said:

I'm making arguments, providing statistics to back them up, haven't made any personal attacks or called anyone by any names. What more do you want in the way of "adult/intellectual" threads. I disagree with the consensus, that should be fine, I don't know what about that you see as childish?

It's the repetition, without knowing when to stop making the same point over and over, that I view as 'childish'. (I've been guilty of it myself on this forum at times down the years, and I've had two bickering kids, so recognise the symptoms!)

Anyway, we're in danger of ending up in the same whirlpool of ever decreasing circles so I'll duck out there and leave you to it. You actually make some decent points but, as has been pointed out to you on several occassions, you end up undermining your points by banging on about the same thing over and over.

Talking of which.... over and out! 

Edited 22 April, 2022 by trousers

[egg]

29 minutes ago, trousers said:

The point I believe egg was making is that he already knows what you (and Dman) think of Broja and that it's futile/pointless repeating the same thing over and over again. What does telling us what we already know dozens of times a day actually achieve?

Exactly. TWar thinks he's shit (in a strangely obsessive way) and Dman rates him. The majority of others seem to agree with Dman namely that he's good but has, like the team overall, gone off the boil. 

Absolutely pointless "discussion". It's more like groundhog day, although that was quite funny. 

[Turkish]

23 minutes ago, TWar said:

So he can just continue to underperform indefinitely as he is 20. Weird that didn't work out for Obafemi...

Obafemi got no where near the level Broja was at earlier in the season 

Edited 22 April, 2022 by Turkish

[egg]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Obafemi got no where near the level Broja was at earlier in the season 

Indeed. The mention of Obafemi is odd. Completely different player with completely different abilities. Comparing them two is like comparing Scarlett Johanson with Scarlett Moffatt.

Obafemi is a championship level player who had a crack at the PL and ended up at his level. Broja has shown himself as being on another level. He's since slipped, albeit in a poor team where he's been starved of service and support, and consequently not been scoring. 

[TWar]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. The mention of Obafemi is odd. Completely different player with completely different abilities. Comparing them two is like comparing Scarlett Johanson with Scarlett Moffatt.

Obafemi is a championship level player who had a crack at the PL and ended up at his level. Broja has shown himself as being on another level. He's since slipped, albeit in a poor team where he's been starved of service and support, and consequently not been scoring. 

And yet Obafemi put up 3 goals and 2 assists in 957 minutes whereas Broja has only managed 6 goals and 0 assists in 1772 minutes. One less goal involvement in almost half the minutes. If Broja is so far ahead of championship level Obafemi why don't the numbers reflect that? It's not like we have a much worse team this season, that year we ended 11th which is likely around where we will be this year.

[egg]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

And yet Obafemi put up 3 goals and 2 assists in 957 minutes whereas Broja has only managed 6 goals and 0 assists in 1772 minutes. One less goal involvement in almost half the minutes. If Broja is so far ahead of championship level Obafemi why don't the numbers reflect that? It's not like we have a much worse team this season, that year we ended 11th which is likely around where we will be this year.

Stats, fucking stats, fucking boring stats.

Anyone who's watched a football match, and has any clue about what makes a decent player, can see that Broja and Obafemi are on different levels. 

You can't expect anyone to respect your opinions if you think Obafemi and Broja ore on the same level. 

I'm out too as it's absolutely fucking pointless.

[Sarisbury Saint]

44 minutes ago, TWar said:

I'm making arguments, providing statistics to back them up, haven't made any personal attacks or called anyone by any names. What more do you want in the way of "adult/intellectual" threads. I disagree with the consensus, that should be fine, I don't know what about that you see as childish?

Telling someone their talking shit is okay then ?

[eurosaint]

6 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

Telling someone their talking shit is okay then ?

6 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

Telling someone their talking shit is okay then ?

Only if it's grammatically correct -  "they're",  not their 🤣!

Ps. yes, I am only jesting 😄

[Sarisbury Saint]

18 minutes ago, eurosaint said:

Only if it's grammatically correct -  "they're",  not their 🤣!

Ps. yes, I am only jesting 😄

😁Back to school for me .

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

1 hour ago, TWar said:

And yet Obafemi put up 3 goals and 2 assists in 957 minutes whereas Broja has only managed 6 goals and 0 assists in 1772 minutes. One less goal involvement in almost half the minutes. If Broja is so far ahead of championship level Obafemi why don't the numbers reflect that? It's not like we have a much worse team this season, that year we ended 11th which is likely around where we will be this year.

Actually Obafemi scored 3 goals and 2 assists in 658 minutes, the 957 figure includes his FA Cup, EFL cup and Premier League 2 minutes. Please get your statistics correct.

The season you are quoting (19/20) was one where Obafemi showed promise beyond being championship level, and at times was the preferred partner to Ings. Since then has played another near 2 full seasons and shown himself to be of starting chamionship level, and could well play premier league minutes further in his career.

Regarding Broja, he has 6 goals and a goal created (away at West Ham he won the penalty, some people will call that an assist, others won't). Adams is our main striker, Broja has been number 2. Looking at the league most second strikers are around that figure (Lukaku, Jiminez, Wood, Lacazette to name a few). He has added to the squad nicely, and offers a different set of attributes to the other strikers we have with some added physicality and height. 

If I were picking the team, he would continue to get minutes alongside Adams, in the hope he can perform again as he has shown earlier in the season he can.

[TWar]

4 hours ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

Actually Obafemi scored 3 goals and 2 assists in 658 minutes, the 957 figure includes his FA Cup, EFL cup and Premier League 2 minutes. Please get your statistics correct.

The season you are quoting (19/20) was one where Obafemi showed promise beyond being championship level, and at times was the preferred partner to Ings. Since then has played another near 2 full seasons and shown himself to be of starting chamionship level, and could well play premier league minutes further in his career.

Regarding Broja, he has 6 goals and a goal created (away at West Ham he won the penalty, some people will call that an assist, others won't). Adams is our main striker, Broja has been number 2. Looking at the league most second strikers are around that figure (Lukaku, Jiminez, Wood, Lacazette to name a few). He has added to the squad nicely, and offers a different set of attributes to the other strikers we have with some added physicality and height. 

If I were picking the team, he would continue to get minutes alongside Adams, in the hope he can perform again as he has shown earlier in the season he can.

So you are saying he got an even better haul the Broja in his first proper season in the prem?

Calling Broja our "second" striker is a complete misunderstanding of what second striker actually means. It isn't our striker that scores second most, it is the one that plays the more creative role. Adams has 0.93 chances created per 90 to Brojas 0.74 and 0.28 big chances to Brojas 0.18. He also has 0.08 xA per game to Brojas 0.01.

When Adams is over 3 times more likely to get an assist than Broja it is very clear who the second/support striker is. Adams has quite literally always played that role for us.

No wonder people don't appreciate the role properly when their understanding of it is just "striker who scores less goals".

Edited 22 April, 2022 by TWar

[The Kraken]

Fewer

[Sarisbury Saint]

29 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

Actually Obafemi scored 3 goals and 2 assists in 658 minutes, the 957 figure includes his FA Cup, EFL cup and Premier League 2 minutes. Please get your statistics correct.

The season you are quoting (19/20) was one where Obafemi showed promise beyond being championship level, and at times was the preferred partner to Ings. Since then has played another near 2 full seasons and shown himself to be of starting chamionship level, and could well play premier league minutes further in his career.

Regarding Broja, he has 6 goals and a goal created (away at West Ham he won the penalty, some people will call that an assist, others won't). Adams is our main striker, Broja has been number 2. Looking at the league most second strikers are around that figure (Lukaku, Jiminez, Wood, Lacazette to name a few). He has added to the squad nicely, and offers a different set of attributes to the other strikers we have with some added physicality and height. 

If I were picking the team, he would continue to get minutes alongside Adams, in the hope he can perform again as he has shown earlier in the season he can.

As I keep saying, he makes things up .

I bet you could cross check everything he says and find out it’s wrong.

That’s why I say it’s pointless arguing with him unless you can be bothered to check it out.

He’s just a troll, best to ignore.

[Miltonaggro]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Indeed. The mention of Obafemi is odd. Completely different player with completely different abilities. Comparing them two is like comparing Scarlett Johanson with Scarlett Moffatt.

Obafemi is a championship level player who had a crack at the PL and ended up at his level. Broja has shown himself as being on another level. He's since slipped, albeit in a poor team where he's been starved of service and support, and consequently not been scoring. 

Obafemi's dip in form has coincided with the reopening following refurbishment of the drive-in KFC in Swansea, he's only a serious chip pan fire away from a golden boot next season.      

[skintsaint]

3 hours ago, egg said:

Scarlett Moffatt

Wish I hadn't google'd who that was.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, TWar said:

 

Calling Broja our "second" striker is a complete misunderstanding of what second striker actually means. It isn't our striker that scores second most, it is the one that plays the more creative role. Adams has 0.93 chances created per 90 to Brojas 0.74 and 0.28 big chances to Brojas 0.18. He also has 0.63 xA per game to Brojas 0.17.

 

What a load of old fucking pony. Use your bins man, stop hiding behind pony stats, it not Play station.

Broja looks like a half decent prospect, I’d imagine he’s far superior than Adams was at 20. If he trains on, and develops his game, he’ll be a better player imo. We get that you made a bit of a fool of yourself by claiming Armstrong had a higher “ceiling”, but do yourself a favour and lay off the pony a bit. He’s a young man learning his trade, they’ll be dips in form. If Armstrong wasn’t so shite, he’d have been taken out of the firing line a few games ago. 

[Sarisbury Saint]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old fucking pony. Use your bins man, stop hiding behind pony stats, it not Play station.

Broja looks like a half decent prospect, I’d imagine he’s far superior than Adams was at 20. If he trains on, and develops his game, he’ll be a better player imo. We get that you made a bit of a fool of yourself by claiming Armstrong had a higher “ceiling”, but do yourself a favour and lay off the pony a bit. He’s a young man learning his trade, they’ll be dips in form. If Armstrong wasn’t so shite, he’d have been taken out of the firing line a few games ago. 

👍

[nta786]

44 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

lay off the pony a bit.

sorry I’ve always wanted to know what is “pony” in this context or is it open to interpretation 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, nta786 said:

sorry I’ve always wanted to know what is “pony” in this context or is it open to interpretation 

“Pony and trap”

Rhyming slang for crap. Only ever used by those pretending to be cockerneys 

 

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

3 hours ago, TWar said:

So you are saying he got an even better haul the Broja in his first proper season in the prem?

Calling Broja our "second" striker is a complete misunderstanding of what second striker actually means. It isn't our striker that scores second most, it is the one that plays the more creative role. Adams has 0.93 chances created per 90 to Brojas 0.74 and 0.28 big chances to Brojas 0.18. He also has 0.63 xA per game to Brojas 0.17.

When Adams is over 4 times more likely to get an assist than Broja it is very clear who the second/support striker is. Adams has quite literally always played that role for us.

No wonder people don't appreciate the role properly when their understanding of it is just "striker who scores less goals".

I actually have quite a good understanding thanks. Both of our strikers are expected to create for one another, and to finish too, and to press. 
 

I literally did mean the striker who scores second most, which is a reasonable expectation of Broja this season. You would hope for more goals from Adams but 6 in a season isn’t a bad output. What are you expecting from them, what is a reasonable amount of goals from a striker before you think they’re good? 

[TWar]

35 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

I actually have quite a good understanding thanks. Both of our strikers are expected to create for one another, and to finish too, and to press. 
 

I literally did mean the striker who scores second most, which is a reasonable expectation of Broja this season. You would hope for more goals from Adams but 6 in a season isn’t a bad output. What are you expecting from them, what is a reasonable amount of goals from a striker before you think they’re good? 

Depends on system, which is why the term "second striker" is important. For Che, for instance, he is putting up 0.08 expected assists per game (and 0.10 the season before when he had a better forward alongside him). This means if all his team are performing as expected he should be looking at about 3-4 assists over the course of a season, add in 8-10 goals and he is contributing to about 11-14 goals a season which is decent for a club of our level (he hit the top end of this last season with 14 g+a). It's what players like Maupay, Wood, and Wilson average (the former two are more consistent, the latter swings wildly under and over that but averages that near enough). Adams also contributes a lot outside of goals and assists with his hold up play and passing quality.

Broja does very very little creatively and is unlikely to contribute significantly to assists (0.01 equates to probably 0 assists a season, maybe 1 if he's lucky). Owing to this again 11-14 goals is a good total, but he has to actually score them unlike Adams who has the assists to add to his game. Honestly 6 is about half what you'd want and is worse than what all three likely relegated sides are working with with Cornet, Pukki, and Dennis all outperforming it.

Worth noting, this all depends on minutes. Clubs like city and chelsea will often not have a 10+ goal striker as they don't play the same forward every week, or even most weeks, but Broja has had most of this season so 6 goals is very poor. There will surely be other examples of players who have massively underperformed (Lukaku, Kane in the first half of the season, DCL) but these players all have past seasons to show that they are just having an off year, Broja does not, this is the one that sets the standard until he improves.

Edited 22 April, 2022 by TWar

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, TWar said:

Depends on system, which is why the term "second striker" is important. For Che, for instance, he is putting up 0.08 expected assists per game, this means if all his team are performing as expected he should be looking at about 3-4 assists over the course of a season, add in 8-10 goals and he is contributing to about 11-14 goals a season which is decent for a club of our level. It's what players like Wood and Wilson average (the former is more consistent, the latter swings wildly under and over that but averages that near enough). Adams also contributes a lot outside of goals and assists with his hold up play and passing quality.

Broja does very very little creatively and is unlikely to contribute significantly to assists (0.01 equates to probably 0 assists a season, maybe 1 if he's lucky). Owing to this again 11-14 goals is a good total, but he has to actually score them unlike Adams who has the assists to add to his game. Honestly 6 is about half what you'd want and is worse than what all three likely relegated sides are working with with Cornet, Pukki, and Dennis all outperforming it.

Worth noting, this all depends on minutes. Clubs like city and chelsea will often not have a 10+ goal striker as they don't play the same forward every week, or even most weeks, but Broja has had most of this season so 6 goals is very poor. There will surely be other examples of players who have massively underperformed (Lukaku, Kane in the first half of the season, DCL) but these players all have past seasons to show that they are just having an off year, Broja does not, this is the one that sets the standard until he improves.

Apart from Sergio Aguero who scored 10 goals or more for 9 of his 10 seasons, the 10th being his last when he only started 12 games. Oh and Raheem Stirling who’s scored 10 or more for the last 5 seasons in a row, you mean?

Edited 22 April, 2022 by Turkish

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Apart from Sergio Aguero who scored 10 goals or more for 9 of his 10 seasons, the 10th being his last when he only started 12 games. Oh and Raheem Stirling who’s scored 10 or more for the last 5 seasons in a row, you mean?

Often, not always. Some players will, other top quality players like Foden, Jesus, Pulisic, Ziyech won't, due to minutes. Last season not a single City forward hit 11 premier league goals due to rotation, with only their midfielder Gundogan making it. So yeah, often, not always.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, TWar said:

Often, not always. Some players will, other top quality players like Foden, Jesus, Pulisic, Ziyech won't, due to minutes. Last season not a single City forward hit 11 premier league goals due to rotation, with only their midfielder Gundogan making it. So yeah, often, not always.

“City and Chelsea will often not have a 10 goal a season striker”

How often is not always? City have had a ten goal a season forward every season for the last 10 season, I couldn’t be arsed to go back further. I see you’ve moved the bench mark from 10 to 11 because it didn’t fit in with your claims 🤣

Edited 22 April, 2022 by Turkish

[TWar]

Just now, Turkish said:

How often is not always? City have had a ten goal a season forward every season for the last 10 season, I couldn’t be arsed to go back further. I see you’ve moved the bench mark from 10 to 11 because it didn’t fit in with your claims 🤣

11-14 was my original range for a decent premier league forward and what Broja should be aiming for. Doesn't really matter tbh, I only included it so people couldn't be pedantic and say "yeah but what about all the city players who don't hit that range, are they bad too?". You found a way to be pedantic regardless, so well done on that front.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

11-14 was my original range for a decent premier league forward and what Broja should be aiming for. Doesn't really matter tbh, I only included it so people couldn't be pedantic and say "yeah but what about all the city players who don't hit that range, are they bad too?". You found a way to be pedantic regardless, so well done on that front.

I’m not being pedantic, you said city often don’t have a 10 goal a season striker, it’s not true, they’ve had one every season as far back as I could be bothered to look. 
 

the lengths you will go to try to discredit a young player in his first full premier league season is really really weird 

[TWar]

Just now, Turkish said:

I’m not being pedantic, you said city often don’t have a 10 goal a season striker, it’s not true, they’ve had one every season as far back as I could be bothered to look. 
 

the lengths you will go to try to discredit a young player in his first full premier league season is really really weird 

How is this relevant to Broja? I meant have top strikers who often don't reach 10 goals rather than have no 10 goal strikers. It was a mistake in making a disclaimer so people weren't pedantic, and completely irrelevant to the overall point.

I don't need to go to lengths to show 6 goals isn't enough, I'm amazed you think it is.

[Turkish]

Just now, TWar said:

How is this relevant to Broja? I meant have top strikers who often don't reach 10 goals rather than have no 10 goal strikers. It was a mistake in making a disclaimer so people weren't pedantic, and completely irrelevant to the overall point.

I don't need to go to lengths to show 6 goals isn't enough, I'm amazed you think it is.

I don’t think it’s enough it’s been a really disappointing last third of the season. He was great earlier in the season but the last 8 weeks or so hes dropped in form so has Livermento and Salisu, other young lads in their first full premier league season. It happens it’s what young players do. But I’ve got axe to grind with any of them, but then it wasn’t me saying a player 4 years older who now can’t get a game ahead of a 35 year old out of contract in a few weeks who has always been a pretty average player,  had a higher ceiling. 

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

I don’t think it’s enough it’s been a really disappointing last third of the season. He was great earlier in the season but the last 8 weeks or so hes dropped in form so has Livermento and Salisu, other young lads in their first full premier league season. It happens it’s what young players do. But I’ve got axe to grind with any of them, but then it wasn’t me saying a player 4 years older who now can’t get a game ahead of a 35 year old out of contract in a few weeks who has always been a pretty average player,  had a higher ceiling. 

Livramento has had an exponentially better season, as has Salisu. Both would start for most sides in the league. A 6 goal striker would not.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, TWar said:

Livramento has had an exponentially better season, as has Salisu. Both would start for most sides in the league. A 6 goal striker would not.

Nice rewriting of history 3 months ago people were saying Broja was good enough for Chelsea first team and highlighting he’d scored more than all their current strikers. 

[TWar]

Just now, Turkish said:

Nice rewriting of history 3 months ago people were saying Broja was good enough for Chelsea first team and highlighting he’d scored more than all their current strikers. 

Oh people were saying it, must be true then. Sure the reigning champions of europe would be stoked to have a striker with 6 goals in 28 games. Maybe judging a player off like 10 games as "Chelsea quality" was a bad move. Who knew. 

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, TWar said:

Oh people were saying it, must be true then. Sure the reigning champions of europe would be stoked to have a striker with 6 goals in 28 games. Maybe judging a player off like 10 games as "Chelsea quality" was a bad move. Who knew. 

That’s what people said, pundits too, you know like people who have played the game and actually know a bit about it  who should we trust, people who watch the match, have played the game in some cases at international level or some bloke on a forum who looks at lots of spreadsheets and clearly has some agenda. Tough one. 

Edited 22 April, 2022 by Turkish

[TWar]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

That’s what people said, pundits too, you know like people who have played the game and actually know a bit about it  who is should we trust, people who watch the match, have played the game in some cases at international level or some bloke on a forum who looks at lots of spreadsheets and clearly has some agenda. Tough one. 

You can believe who you want mate but if you think 6 goals in 28 is enough for Chelsea you are living in a dream world. They have 8 players with more goals per minute than him and two are fullbacks.

Edited 22 April, 2022 by TWar

[Dman]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

You can believe who you want mate but if you think 6 goals in 28 is enough for Chelsea you are living in a dream world. They have 8 players with more goals per minute than him and two are fullbacks.

It’s pretty obvious that he’d likely score more or have more chances to score playing for Chelsea than he would us. 
 

[TWar]

5 minutes ago, Dman said:

It’s pretty obvious that he’d likely score more or have more chances to score playing for Chelsea than he would us. 
 

Ings scored fine with us, Adams is putting up better numbers, players are putting up better numbers in teams as good as us or worse (Cornet, Dennis, Pukki, Toney, Raphinha, Maupay, Watkins, Richarlison, Harrison). "He's playing in a bad team" is not an excuse. Obviously he'd have more chances at Chelsea, but so would all the other players I just listed. Are they all off to a club the size of Chelsea too? Dunno if they'll be room for Broja after that.

Edited 22 April, 2022 by TWar

[Dman]

5 minutes ago, TWar said:

Ings scored fine with us, Adams is putting up better numbers, players are putting up better numbers in teams as good as us or worse (Cornet, Dennis, Pukki, Toney, Raphinha, Maupay, Watkins, Richarlison). "He's playing in a bad team" is not an excuse. Obviously he'd have more chances at Chelsea, but so would all the other players I just listed. Are they all off to a club the size of Chelsea too? Dunno if they'll be room for Broja after that.

Ings, much like Broja, scored most of his goals in a run if form. He also dropped off the back end of last season, in a strikingly similar way that Broja’s has this season. 
 

to be honest, I don’t even care anymore. I can’t believe you’re still going on. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone so rattled by a player. Absolute heads gone. 
 

Edited 22 April, 2022 by Dman