The Premier League Thread - 2024/25

[goodymatt]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

Might be worth a cheeky bet on zero points by October....

Those teams could easily be the top 7 come the end of the season, that is a horrific start. Lovely.

[Chris cooper]

3 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Those teams could easily be the top 7 come the end of the season, that is a horrific start. Lovely.

That’s made my morning that ! 👌🏻😂💪🏻

[S-Clarke]

44 minutes ago, trousers said:

Might be worth a cheeky bet on zero points by October....

That's a wonderful start. It'll be fun watching this playout, they'll be in for a rude awakening.

I notice a lot of pundits have them as finishing top 12, but I look at their squad and I can honestly say I don't know any of their players. I knew of Ipswich's players, ditto Wednesdays, but I just have no idea who half of their squad are. Just randoms.

[suewhistle]

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I notice a lot of pundits have them as finishing top 12, but I look at their squad and I can honestly say I don't know any of their players.

Pundits or just Factless Allen?

I shan't be betting on the first 7 games but immediate relegation for Portsmouth.. hmm. Then if it comes off I could wave my betting slip down the pub where I watch football in a PO10 area.. I suppose I could do a double with Saints, but I reckon we'll do better than they do.

[Pamplemousse]

It'll be interesting to see their away attendances in comparison to ours. They are the best fans in the world of course so I'm guessing it'll be sellouts every game

[The Cat]

1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said:

It'll be interesting to see their away attendances in comparison to ours. They are the best fans in the world of course so I'm guessing it'll be sellouts every game

Imagine they'll sell out pretty much every away game, we must have been close last season.

Especially as a lot of clubs only give 2000.

[HarvSFC]

West Ham play their first league game outside of London on November 2nd, their 10th game.

[CSA96]

Reported from Poland that Jakub Moder will go from Brighton to Leicester, with Kieran Dewsbury-Hall going the other way

 

[Saint Garrett]

13 hours ago, CSA96 said:

Reported from Poland that Jakub Moder will go from Brighton to Leicester, with Kieran Dewsbury-Hall going the other way

 

Is Moder any good? 

Personally I think KDH is overrated (some talk of him going to Chelsea?!), but he's obviously got some suitors. 

Leicester need to sell, are they still starting on minus points? They look in trouble at the moment.

 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

Is Moder any good? 

Personally I think KDH is overrated (some talk of him going to Chelsea?!), but he's obviously got some suitors. 

Leicester need to sell, are they still starting on minus points? They look in trouble at the moment.

 

Even if he is overrated he's still their best player. Two possible points deductions, new manager and little ability to strengthen. Looks grim for them.

[Dusic]

Ridiculously the next few days could prove quite important in the fight to stay up as seems a few near the bottom including at least Leicester and Forest still have significant PSR concerns, with further points deductions possible if sales don't take place.

Crazy that June 30th is almost becoming a mini deadline day of its own!

[SNSUN]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Ridiculously the next few days could prove quite important in the fight to stay up as seems a few near the bottom including at least Leicester and Forest still have significant PSR concerns, with further points deductions possible if sales don't take place.

Crazy that June 30th is almost becoming a mini deadline day of its own!

I heard the Premier League will also clamp down on clubs over-inflating prices to try to get around PSR.

(Chelsea signing an almost untested Villa youngster for £19 million is  suspicious to me - makes me wonder if the Ian Maatsen deal had something to do with that.)

[SambaMaverick]

Newcastle in a right state with PSR it seems

[S-Clarke]

16 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

Newcastle in a right state with PSR it seems

Yep, they're offering out Isak and Gordon at the moment - no real takers at the fees they want, so they may be forced to accept low ball figures just to get them over the line.

The football bodies need to have a real look at what a mess this PSR thing is creating to realise it's unsustainable. Clubs running scared everywhere, it's doing the opposite of what they intend it to do ''create an even playing field''

Edited 29 June, 2024 by S-Clarke

[SambaMaverick]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Yep, they're offering out Isak and Gordon at the moment - no real takers at the fees they want, so they may be forced to accept low ball figures just to get them over the line.

The football bodies need to have a real look at what a mess this PSR thing is creating to realise it's unsustainable. Clubs running scared everywhere, it's doing the opposite of what they intend it to do ''create an even playing field''

The 'anchoring' proposal they're trialling this season seems promising. Limiting spending on fees and wages to the same level reins in the top clubs and also allows smaller clubs to spend at the same level if they've got the muscle to do so . The problem with that is the PL may just become a playground for nation states... but hopefully that can be stopped as well.

[AlexLaw76]

This C**T has been in the league for about 5 mins..

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/football/sir-jim-ratcliffe-says-the-big-six-should-have-more-rights-than-the-rest-of-the-premier-league-444878#:~:text=Sir Jim Ratcliffe has sensationally,for Manchester United going forward.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

This C**T has been in the league for about 5 mins..

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/football/sir-jim-ratcliffe-says-the-big-six-should-have-more-rights-than-the-rest-of-the-premier-league-444878#:~:text=Sir Jim Ratcliffe has sensationally,for Manchester United going forward.

 

Just shows that we don't need to rely on state sportswashing or US investment funds to produce utter tools all of our own.

Just some desperate mewling from a man watching Aston Villa, Newcastle and Tottenham having the funds, planning and consistency to push them down the table.

[Kenilworthy]

57 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

This C**T has been in the league for about 5 mins..

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/football/sir-jim-ratcliffe-says-the-big-six-should-have-more-rights-than-the-rest-of-the-premier-league-444878#:~:text=Sir Jim Ratcliffe has sensationally,for Manchester United going forward.

 

When I see him I think of agent Potter from Sons of Anarchy

[S-Clarke]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

This C**T has been in the league for about 5 mins..

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/football/sir-jim-ratcliffe-says-the-big-six-should-have-more-rights-than-the-rest-of-the-premier-league-444878#:~:text=Sir Jim Ratcliffe has sensationally,for Manchester United going forward.

 

So I guess he doesn't include Man Utd in that, given that they finished 8th last season.

It's quite a scary league to be in these days, I would say most of it is already factored to the advantage of the Big 6 as it stands - Villa will have their wrists slapped very heavily by PSR if they attempt to compete again next year.

[SNSUN]

Mitchell appointed Newcastle sporting director

Newcastle United have announced the appointment of Paul Mitchell as the club’s new sporting director.

Mitchell's appointment comes following Dan Ashworth's departure to join Manchester United.

Mitchell is a former footballer whose non-playing career started in scouting and recruitment, initially at MK Dons, before prominent roles at Southampton, Tottenham Hotspur, RB Leipzig, Red Bull Soccer International and AS Monaco.

Darren Eales, Newcastle United's CEO, said: "We are delighted to welcome Paul to Newcastle United. He brings a successful track record and wealth of experience to the club.

"His extensive and diverse experience in football leadership, cultural change and recruitment mean he is the ideal person to lead our sporting directorate.

"We look forward to working with Paul and supporting him in our pursuit of long-term, sustainable success."

[east-stand-nic]

Silly question, but honestly, how many of us will be that gutted if we go down again? The PL is already annoying me especially after that bozo Radcliffe opened his gob about the top 6 deserving more of a say. It is such a shitty closed shop. We all enjoyed a season in the Championship, so would it be that gutting if we go down again?

Where are we all expecting to finish? For me, if Leicester gets a -10 minimum points deduction I think they are done for after losing their manager and one of their best players already/ Ipswich, yeah well done to them and all that but as the bottom 3 last season found out, grit and togetherness is not enough in this league. So, I think we could at least finish above those two. Then we have to think, is there one more team likely to be worse than us? Forest? Everton? Brentford?

[trousers]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Silly question, but honestly, how many of us will be that gutted if we go down again?

It wouldn't bother me if we became a yo-yo club for the foreseeable future 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

10 minutes ago, trousers said:

It wouldn't bother me if we became a yo-yo club for the foreseeable future 

Agreed but the problem with this is if you don't get out of the champs before the parachute payments end and you end up becoming a non-entity championship side. The championship is a graveyard of ex PL clubs who failed to get repromoted before their parachute payments ended

[Patrick Bateman]

On 30/06/2024 at 07:49, AlexLaw76 said:

This C**T has been in the league for about 5 mins..

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/football/sir-jim-ratcliffe-says-the-big-six-should-have-more-rights-than-the-rest-of-the-premier-league-444878#:~:text=Sir Jim Ratcliffe has sensationally,for Manchester United going forward.

 

Massive clown. Yes, let's make it even less competitive and even less likely for someone to win, like Leicester. Moron. At least now everyone can go back to hating Man Utd again.

[Saint Keef]

1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Massive clown. Yes, let's make it even less competitive and even less likely for someone to win, like Leicester. Moron. At least now everyone can go back to hating Man Utd again.

Nobody bothered to let me know we'd stopped hating them. You'll be telling me next that we've stopped hating Everton......and Liverpool......and (surely not!) that lot down the road. 😀

[Sheaf Saint]

Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere, but Leicester have lost their appeal against their PSR charge...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c9x83ngge69o

 

[Roo1976]

6 hours ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Agreed but the problem with this is if you don't get out of the champs before the parachute payments end and you end up becoming a non-entity championship side. The championship is a graveyard of ex PL clubs who failed to get repromoted before their parachute payments ended

trips to wembley or just straight up.............?

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere, but Leicester have lost their appeal against their PSR charge...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c9x83ngge69o

 

 

205m over 3 yrs when the permitted loss is 105m they are fucked, I say 10pts

Edited 4 July, 2024 by Convict Colony

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere, but Leicester have lost their appeal against their PSR charge...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c9x83ngge69o

 

I guess it's now a case of just how many points they'll get deducted. 10-15 was the feeling a few months back.

They're down before a ball is kicked if we're honest. Makes it a little easier for us, one less place to worry about.

[Turkish]

On 29/06/2024 at 14:13, S-Clarke said:

Yep, they're offering out Isak and Gordon at the moment - no real takers at the fees they want, so they may be forced to accept low ball figures just to get them over the line.

The football bodies need to have a real look at what a mess this PSR thing is creating to realise it's unsustainable. Clubs running scared everywhere, it's doing the opposite of what they intend it to do ''create an even playing field''

you dont really believe that do you? What they intended to do was keep the fat cats fat and make everyone else feed off scraps. What did it for me was when the chairman of the PL said about 5 years ago the PL brands needs the Man United brand for its global audience, that's all they care about. If they've got 5 or 6 big boys happy with their global marketing fighting over the champions league places and everyone else as also rans then why would they want to create an even playing field? It was never going to happen as the only way clubs of our size can compete is by having rich owners. They've absolutely made sure that never happens again.

[IFHP]

10 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Silly question, but honestly, how many of us will be that gutted if we go down again? The PL is already annoying me especially after that bozo Radcliffe opened his gob about the top 6 deserving more of a say. It is such a shitty closed shop. We all enjoyed a season in the Championship, so would it be that gutting if we go down again?

Where are we all expecting to finish? For me, if Leicester gets a -10 minimum points deduction I think they are done for after losing their manager and one of their best players already/ Ipswich, yeah well done to them and all that but as the bottom 3 last season found out, grit and togetherness is not enough in this league. So, I think we could at least finish above those two. Then we have to think, is there one more team likely to be worse than us? Forest? Everton? Brentford?

Why do some think Everton are going to struggle ? They were 22 points clear of the drop zone taking into account there 8 point deduction. Brentford , Forrest I’d agree and say they will be down there with us.

It’s great having an idea of being a yo yo club but eventually you stay down - look at Norwich and West Brom for examples of yo yo cubs. 

last season was one of my most enjoyable watching Saints , but will still had some bad results. 

Any league is great when you are winning and shit when you are not.

 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Those thinking Leicester are certs for relegation if they get c.10 points deducted have short memories.  Leicester beat us by 10 points and a goal difference of 24 last season.  So far I have seen no reason to think they cannot repeat that margin next season.  And we might not be one of the two or three weakest teams next season.  Just saying.

[JRM]

6 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Those thinking Leicester are certs for relegation if they get c.10 points deducted have short memories.  Leicester beat us by 10 points and a goal difference of 24 last season.  So far I have seen no reason to think they cannot repeat that margin next season.  And we might not be one of the two or three weakest teams next season.  Just saying.

I'm not convinced these points deductions are even going to happen , Leicester seem to have a habit of getting away with such things 

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Those thinking Leicester are certs for relegation if they get c.10 points deducted have short memories.  Leicester beat us by 10 points and a goal difference of 24 last season.  So far I have seen no reason to think they cannot repeat that margin next season.  And we might not be one of the two or three weakest teams next season.  Just saying.

That doesn't really follow though. Last season Leicester were perfectly capable of picking up 10 points in 4 games, out of 46, so less than 10% of the season. Next season will be a different story. 10 points could take 12 games to scrape together, so nearly 1/3 of the season. IF the penalty is applied, it'll be a big deal for them.

[Disco Stu]

3 hours ago, JRM said:

I'm not convinced these points deductions are even going to happen , Leicester seem to have a habit of getting away with such things 

Can the Premier League even back out now after giving point deductions to Forest and Everton? Would those clubs not then have a right to sue?

[Tommy Mulgrew]

16 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

That doesn't really follow though. Last season Leicester were perfectly capable of picking up 10 points in 4 games, out of 46, so less than 10% of the season. Next season will be a different story. 10 points could take 12 games to scrape together, so nearly 1/3 of the season. IF the penalty is applied, it'll be a big deal for them.

That is true and could benefit us.  Nevertheless, Leicester will have a whole season and will play against the same teams as we shall, as in last season.  Last season we were both top dogs in a lesser league.  Next season we shall both be bottom dwellers in a strong league.  Leicester have demonstrated that they were the stronger of the two sides.  One might expect the stronger side to do better than the weaker side against better teams (EPL) to a greater degree than both performed against poorer teams (Championship).

Therefore, although I agree with your argument, I still think Leicester could well overcome a 10 point deficit and finish above us.

Let’s hope not.

[Anthony]

20 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

That is true and could benefit us.  Nevertheless, Leicester will have a whole season and will play against the same teams as we shall, as in last season.  Last season we were both top dogs in a lesser league.  Next season we shall both be bottom dwellers in a strong league.  Leicester have demonstrated that they were the stronger of the two sides.  One might expect the stronger side to do better than the weaker side against better teams (EPL) to a greater degree than both performed against poorer teams (Championship).

Therefore, although I agree with your argument, I still think Leicester could well overcome a 10 point deficit and finish above us.

Let’s hope not.

This is of course if it is, and remains a 10 point deduction. There is a chance that it could be less than 10 points, and there is a chance it could also be reduced.

If teams keep getting these points reductions, and then stay up, it makes me feel that there is a good probability that it is worse the risk.

[Turkish]

hey guys, after a year of football who else is buzzing for the return of soccerball with match week one only a few weeks away! 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

hey guys, after a year of football who else is buzzing for the return of soccerball with match week one only a few weeks away! 

 

Hell, yeah!

[Convict Colony]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

hey guys, after a year of football who else is buzzing for the return of soccerball with match week one only a few weeks away! 

 

I am, my summer activities were exhausting

[S-Clarke]

Just saw that Everton's latest takeover attempt has fallen through.

They are in a whole new world of shit now. Maybe this is the season they will be flushed.

Edited 19 July, 2024 by S-Clarke

[ErwinK1961]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Just saw that Everton's latest takeover attempt has fallen through.

They are in a whole new world of shit now. Maybe this is the season they will be flushed.

Nah, pretty sure it’s one of the Ten Commandments - Thou Shall Not Relegate the Dugout Pioneers.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

hey guys, after a year of football who else is buzzing for the return of soccerball with match week one only a few weeks away! 

 

I'm stoked to the max!

[AlexLaw76]

41 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Just saw that Everton's latest takeover attempt has fallen through.

They are in a whole new world of shit now. Maybe this is the season they will be flushed.

They have to go down at some point, surely!

[SNSUN]

7 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

They have to go down at some point, surely!

You would think... but they seem to be made of frigging polytetrafluoroethene. Bloody slipping out of relegation battles by the skin of their teeth.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

5 hours ago, SNSUN said:

You would think... but they seem to be made of frigging polytetrafluoroethene. Bloody slipping out of relegation battles by the skin of their teeth.

Looking forward to our "You're made of polytetrafluoroethene" chant. 🙂

[EssEffCee]

There's a reasonable chance we could witness their relegation first hand this season.

[JRM]

15 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Just saw that Everton's latest takeover attempt has fallen through.

They are in a whole new world of shit now. Maybe this is the season they will be flushed.

4th failed takeover now, the finances seem to scare off potential buyers, maybe they'll finish the stadium then go into administration so they don't need to pay for it. 

[The Cat]

Amusingly they played a friendly yesterday in their new kit and the badges started falling off.

https://x.com/TheyThinkKits/status/1814342939717353850?t=0tPmgsNj8waACSoLQyY9lQ&s=19

 

[Pamplemousse]

I think Wolves and Brentford are in bigger danger to go down than Everton