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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 20/05/2024 at 12:46, Chez said:

Macca is off. In his eyes he will feel he has been treated pretty shabbly this season.

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Complete conjecture. I’ve no idea why you’d think he feels his way, he’s been paid very well to be one of our goalkeepers. He was originally brought in as cover for Forster, so it’s not like he’s ever been promised he would be our number one either.

Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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  On 20/05/2024 at 14:21, Lighthouse said:

Complete conjecture. I’ve no idea why you’d think he feels his way, he’s been paid very well to be one of our goalkeepers. He was originally brought in as cover for Forster, so it’s not like he’s ever been promised he would be our number one either.

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Absolutely - at the stage of career he’s at, he’s done very well to maintain a well paid secure role. Whenever I’ve seen him he hardly looks miffed - on the contrary.

Chez

Chez

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  On 20/05/2024 at 13:09, Whitey Grandad said:

Really? There was one on Friday that went straight into the crowd at the half way line.

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a footballer misplaced a pass? Hang him. 

His kicking out to the wing backs was very good on Friday. Watch the game again. 

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Chez

Chez

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  On 20/05/2024 at 14:21, Lighthouse said:

Complete conjecture. I’ve no idea why you’d think he feels his way, he’s been paid very well to be one of our goalkeepers. He was originally brought in as cover for Forster, so it’s not like he’s ever been promised he would be our number one either.

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He's a professional footballer not being picked and the guy that has his shirt ain't doing a great job. I'd be amazed if he has spent the year just smiling at his bank balance. 

It almost seemed like we didn't play him a lot last season to ensure he didn't get a contract extension, despite it crying out for a keeper change. How happy would you be? After many years service, would you sign a new contract for a club/manager like that? 

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 20/05/2024 at 18:31, Chez said:

He's a professional footballer not being picked and the guy that has his shirt ain't doing a great job. I'd be amazed if he has spent the year just smiling at his bank balance. 

It almost seemed like we didn't play him a lot last season to ensure he didn't get a contract extension, despite it crying out for a keeper change. How happy would you be? After many years service, would you sign a new contract for a club/manager like that? 

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Have a look back at the summer transfer thread from 2022 if you’re interested. There were an awful lot of, “FFS! We’d better not be going into another season with McC,” type comments. He hasn’t earned the first team spot, that’s why he was replaced by Baz in the first place. Even when he came in at the end of last season he looked awful, worse than Baz, and was shipping goals left, right and centre.

The fact that he didn’t get picked, in a position where you can only ever have one player and it pays to be consistent, is hardly mistreating the guy. I don’t believe for a minute that he feels any animosity towards the club and if he does, he can p*ss off.

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ErwinK1961

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Exactly the same happened with Forster. He came in for a few games (replacing the bloke currently in the sticks), played well in one game and people wanted him to get an extension, completely forgetting the absolute dross he displayed prior to that.

It’s time to move on, hopefully he has one last good game for us before he departs.

We need a new GK, end of.

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Chez

Chez

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  On 20/05/2024 at 18:46, Lighthouse said:

Have a look back at the summer transfer thread from 2022 if you’re interested. There were an awful lot of, “FFS! We’d better not be going into another season with McC,” type comments. He hasn’t earned the first team spot, that’s why he was replaced by Baz in the first place. Even when he came in at the end of last season he looked awful, worse than Baz, and was shipping goals left, right and centre.

The fact that he didn’t get picked, in a position where you can only ever have one player and it pays to be consistent, is hardly mistreating the guy. I don’t believe for a minute that he feels any animosity towards the club and if he does, he can p*ss off.

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No doubt about it, he was poor in 21/22. We rightly signed a new keeper (personally I wanted both Forster and McCarthy replaced). But we signed the wrong keeper.

During 22/23 we should have dropped Baz and played McCarthy, but seemingly we didn't want him playing a certain number of games in the season so we could cut his wages in half. That's football business.

This season we again go with Baz. That's fine, it was RM's choice, but again he doesn't look great, yet we stick with him rather than play McCarthy.

Do you really think McCarthy has been completely happy to be overlooked for two seasons for a keeper that simply has not performed well? 

In contrast to your thoughts, I'd say that if he has been fine with it, then he can p*ss off. I want players desperate to play, not happy to pick up a pay check.

 

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Chez

Chez

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  On 20/05/2024 at 18:57, ErwinK1961 said:

We need a new GK, end of.

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This. If we go up, we make it a priority to get a top class keeper in. No rush or pressure on Baz to rush back and when he is fit, he has to earn his place not waltz straight back in unchallenged.

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Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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  On 20/05/2024 at 19:41, Chez said:

This. If we go up, we make it a priority to get a top class keeper in. No rush or pressure on Baz to rush back and when he is fit, he has to earn his place not waltz straight back in unchallenged.

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We need a new first choice goalkeeper regardless.

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 20/05/2024 at 18:57, ErwinK1961 said:

Exactly the same happened with Forster. He came in for a few games (replacing the bloke currently in the sticks), played well in one game and people wanted him to get an extension, completely forgetting the absolute dross he displayed prior to that.

It’s time to move on, hopefully he has one last good game for us before he departs.

We need a new GK, end of.

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I agree, I think we will get a new keeper - but my fear is that it will be a stop gap to cover Bazunu. I really think the club need to be 'harsh' on this one and replace him with a new paid for long-term option. Bazunu can be part of the squad when he's back from injury, but we really need to use this opportunity to plan without him in whatever league we're in.

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Cabrone

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If we get promoted I'd make a top quality GK + a top quality striker the no 1 priorities.

I do wonder if we'd have had a better GK last season whether we would have been relegated in the first place.

Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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  On 21/05/2024 at 13:16, S-Clarke said:

I agree, I think we will get a new keeper - but my fear is that it will be a stop gap to cover Bazunu. I really think the club need to be 'harsh' on this one and replace him with a new paid for long-term option. Bazunu can be part of the squad when he's back from injury, but we really need to use this opportunity to plan without him in whatever league we're in.

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 21/05/2024 at 14:05, Cabrone said:

If we get promoted I'd make a top quality GK + a top quality striker the no 1 priorities.

I do wonder if we'd have had a better GK last season whether we would have been relegated in the first place.

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We would still have been relegated. We were 12 points at least away from safety. 

The Curse of St Mary's

The Curse of St Mary's

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  On 21/05/2024 at 14:15, LegalEagle said:

We’re in for the Plymouth keeper 

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Just read he is known for his shot stopping ability and decisive dealing of crosses which sells it for me. Complete opposite to Bazuna then! I seem to recall made some good saves at St Marys back in December. One year left on his contract. Seems more like a back up type signing rather than straight in as the #1. 

Badger

Badger

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  On 21/05/2024 at 14:15, LegalEagle said:

We’re in for the Plymouth keeper 

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Which one ? 

  On 21/05/2024 at 17:56, The Curse of St Mary's said:

Just read he is known for his shot stopping ability and decisive dealing of crosses which sells it for me. Complete opposite to Bazuna then! I seem to recall made some good saves at St Marys back in December. One year left on his contract. Seems more like a back up type signing rather than straight in as the #1. 

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The bloke who played at StMary’s as I recall was their second GK (Hazard) as the first choice Cooper was injured. 

SaintsBarry74

SaintsBarry74

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  On 18/05/2024 at 12:25, pingpong said:

If we're promoted, baz.

If not, we'll probably lose him and need to replace, probably from lower down the league.

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He's the worst shot stopper the Premier league AND the championship have ever seen. He fails the eye test and statistically this cannot be disputed.

Lumley and McCarthy are both not good enough for the level of play. Perhaps we could get an aging Kasper Schmeichel on the cheap? He's still Denmark's no1.

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Chez

Chez

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  On 22/05/2024 at 11:34, SaintsBarry74 said:

Perhaps we could get an aging Kasper Schmeichel on the cheap? He's still Denmark's no1.

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Not for me. He has always been a bit overrated IMO, but however good you think he was at his best, he was very poor in the season before Leicester City let him go. He's ageing (37) and like Perraud was not deemed good enough for OGC Nice this year, so was farmed out to Anderlecht. In the Championship, maybe, but if we go up we need someone top-notch approaching their prime.

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 22/05/2024 at 11:34, SaintsBarry74 said:

He's the worst shot stopper the Premier league AND the championship have ever seen. He fails the eye test and statistically this cannot be disputed.

Lumley and McCarthy are both not good enough for the level of play. Perhaps we could get an aging Kasper Schmeichel on the cheap? He's still Denmark's no1.

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Of course it can. Statistics are guesswork.

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 22/05/2024 at 16:01, Weston Super Saint said:

Of course it is!

It's data, that has been interpreted and presented. The fact that it is in a table is just one option, it could be presented in a number of ways.

That is literally the definition of statistics.

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It literally isn’t.

Raw data is simply that. A league table is raw data. A list of discrete numbers in tabulated form. Statistics are what you get when data is manipulated and interpreted. Interpretation involves guesswork.

Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 22/05/2024 at 16:38, Saint_clark said:

Would be an excellent signing. His save percentage with the amount of shots Bazunu faced would have seen us concede 15 goals less this season. 

And as we all know you can't argue with stats like that.

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But his save percentage only applies to the shots that he actually faced, not to the ones that Bazunu faced.

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pingpong

pingpong

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  On 22/05/2024 at 11:34, SaintsBarry74 said:

He fails the eye test and statistically this cannot be disputed.

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Really? We have data proving he failed an eye test?  Even if he did, can it not be corrected by contact lenses? This is massive news, he could be the first visually impaired goalkeeper to play at the top level and an inspiration for disabled fans across the world.

My respect for him has doubled hearing this shocking news. 

 

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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  On 22/05/2024 at 16:55, Whitey Grandad said:

But his save percentage only applies to the shots that he actually faced, not to the ones that Bazunu faced.

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Ah yes. I forgot that Bazunu has only faced worldies and every other keeper in the league only faced piddly rollers along the floor.

Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 22/05/2024 at 20:45, Saint_clark said:

Ah yes. I forgot that Bazunu has only faced worldies and every other keeper in the league only faced piddly rollers along the floor.

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The point is, we just don’t know. Stupidly simplistic numbers such as percentage of shots faced yield no useful information. A shot on target can be from any direction, at any angle, at any speed and from any distance. The figures I’ve seen have a surprisingly tight spread, something from 60% to 70% which means that there is not a lot to choose between any of them.

As random number generators go goalkeeping statistics are as good as they come.

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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  On 22/05/2024 at 21:28, Whitey Grandad said:

The point is, we just don’t know. Stupidly simplistic numbers such as percentage of shots faced yield no useful information. A shot on target can be from any direction, at any angle, at any speed and from any distance. The figures I’ve seen have a surprisingly tight spread, something from 60% to 70% which means that there is not a lot to choose between any of them.

As random number generators go goalkeeping statistics are as good as they come.

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The difference between 60 and 70 percent is more than 10 goals with the amount of shots faced within a season, a huge amount. 

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