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JRM

JRM

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  On 06/05/2024 at 14:18, Jack said:

Yeah exactly. Only 1700 fans really, I wonder if it’s why the club put the comment about potential returned/released tickets. If the 300 number is right, that’s a big chunk for people who don’t really care 

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I think tickets reserved are player comps / club employees but also some for supporters club groups who get an allocation and also hospitality clients like box owners can request tickets 

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 06/05/2024 at 16:53, Toadhall Saint said:

I’m assuming there is no away goals count as double in respect to a draw at the end of the second game?

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Well they didn't for us in 2007 and they don't in the Champions League any more. So no.

(Quite right too, of course. There's no way an away goal by an English League team at another English League ground is worth double anything).

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SaintsFan86

SaintsFan86

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  On 06/05/2024 at 18:02, for_heaven's_Saint said:

Can’t see Aribo or Downes lasting 120+ minutes if it comes to it! Also I know Che isn’t the best finisher but he’ll definitely take one. 

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Hmm, surely for the last most win game of the season you have to keep on Downes at least. 

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JRM

JRM

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  On 06/05/2024 at 18:02, for_heaven's_Saint said:

Can’t see Aribo or Downes lasting 120+ minutes if it comes to it! Also I know Che isn’t the best finisher but he’ll definitely take one. 

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We'll lose on pens, Sam Edozie weak effort saved by the keeper. 

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grezz

grezz

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  On 06/05/2024 at 14:58, Edmonton Saint said:

Do we have any Saints fans in Copenhagen on here? Coming over from Canada for a few weeks and will be in Copenhagen on Sunday for this game. 

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Yeah I'll watch it with you as long as you can handle seeing a grown man cry.

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LGTL

LGTL

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  On 06/05/2024 at 18:05, JRM said:

We'll lose on pens, Sam Edozie weak effort saved by the keeper. 

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You can see it now. Stuttering run up, side of the right foot, nowhere near the corner, lovely height for the goalkeeper. Season over.

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Badger

Badger

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  On 06/05/2024 at 18:22, LGTL said:

You can see it now. Stuttering run up, side of the right foot, nowhere near the corner, lovely height for the goalkeeper. Season over.

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Had the same conversation this weekend. All too predictable, one player a side footed pass back to their keeper, and Edozie as you describe, probably  a chip down the middle ( their GK not having to move).

Badger

Badger

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  On 06/05/2024 at 18:02, for_heaven's_Saint said:

Can’t see Aribo or Downes lasting 120+ minutes if it comes to it! Also I know Che isn’t the best finisher but he’ll definitely take one. 

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Dilemma for RM, whether to start with his best side, or to keep some of the penalty takers on the bench to bring on towards the end. More so Aribo, Downes I’d expect to start 

Applicable to second leg (not just the final) depending on result at WBA 

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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Same opening post...

  On 06/05/2024 at 12:09, ant said:

Woke from a dream in the early hours in which we were 4-1 up before half time. Our 4th was a deliciously scrappy, force-it-over-the-line effort. 

Chance would be a fine thing...

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Glass half full gag...

  On 06/05/2024 at 12:31, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Fortunately, your dream ended before their second half come back, when we gave up our midfield. 🙂

 

It's okay, we work to the whistle, with Fraser getting a fifth and Stewart a header in the last second, in a crazy 6-4 win.

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Glass half empty gag...

  On 06/05/2024 at 19:08, Thereisonlyonemickychannon said:

And then Martin makes subs and we lose 6-4

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🙂

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Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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  On 06/05/2024 at 18:00, SaintsFan86 said:

Armstrong, Aribo, Downes, Stephens, Stewart to take our pens.

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Firstly there's no guarantee all five will be on the pitch at the final whistle. Secondly, even if they were, it could go to 6 or more penalties if tied after 5 each. 

We should do what the Germans always do, have the entire squad practice, and practice, and practice. And please God, not the Bobby Robson "ok lads, who fancies taking one?" approached that made the Germans (who started practising taking them in kindergarten) laugh their nuts off and beat us every time.

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gio1saints

gio1saints

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The squad diligently “practising penalties” ahead of such matches cos it’s helpful in the event of a penalty shootout is one of the most popular dog whistle football myths going. 

What it actually does is identify that one or two of them are capable - and the rest should never be allowed to take them. That’s why the team always has a nominated taker and a back up taker( or two) if he’s not on the pitch. 


The team that lets it be known it is  “practising penalties” are psychologically conditioning themselves NOT TO WIN in normal time. 

If I hear that the opposition are “practising penalties” I’m delighted. It’s a sign of fear and weakness. 

I absolutely DO NOT want to have RM tell us the team are practising practising penalties. I want to hear WBA are however. 
 

 

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 07/05/2024 at 03:52, gio1saints said:

The squad diligently “practising penalties” ahead of such matches cos it’s helpful in the event of a penalty shootout is one of the most popular dog whistle football myths going. 

What it actually does is identify that one or two of them are capable - and the rest should never be allowed to take them. That’s why the team always has a nominated taker and a back up taker( or two) if he’s not on the pitch. 


The team that lets it be known it is  “practising penalties” are psychologically conditioning themselves NOT TO WIN in normal time. 

If I hear that the opposition are “practising penalties” I’m delighted. It’s a sign of fear and weakness. 

I absolutely DO NOT want to have RM tell us the team are practising practising penalties. I want to hear WBA are however. 
 

 

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Do you ever post anything that's not utterly moronic?

The very nature of shoot outs is that the penalties unquestionably go down to players who wouldn't normally take them.

If we aren't practising with the whole squad then that will be negligence on Martin's part.

There are two games where they could cone into play and those games are worth literally millions of pounds.

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Pamplemousse

Pamplemousse

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  On 07/05/2024 at 03:52, gio1saints said:

The squad diligently “practising penalties” ahead of such matches cos it’s helpful in the event of a penalty shootout is one of the most popular dog whistle football myths going. 

What it actually does is identify that one or two of them are capable - and the rest should never be allowed to take them. That’s why the team always has a nominated taker and a back up taker( or two) if he’s not on the pitch. 


The team that lets it be known it is  “practising penalties” are psychologically conditioning themselves NOT TO WIN in normal time. 

If I hear that the opposition are “practising penalties” I’m delighted. It’s a sign of fear and weakness. 

I absolutely DO NOT want to have RM tell us the team are practising practising penalties. I want to hear WBA are however. 
 

 

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That's like saying a team should never practise set piece routines because it means they're setting up to not score from open play.

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trousers

trousers

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I think I preferred the 'sanctimonious but had a valid underlying point' version of gio1saints. Not so keen on this 'talking gibberish' incarnation... ;)

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gio1saints

gio1saints

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Sports Psychology is not really all that hard to understand - even I have a Uni qualification in it- @CB Fry but your ignorance of its obvious applications and your standard abusive response says more about you than you probably wished to reveal. 

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Badger

Badger

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  On 07/05/2024 at 03:52, gio1saints said:

The squad diligently “practising penalties” ahead of such matches cos it’s helpful in the event of a penalty shootout is one of the most popular dog whistle football myths going. 
 

 

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Not sure the German FA would agree with you. They’ve only been mastering penalty shoot outs for over 30 years ( especially v England). 

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Dman

Dman

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  On 07/05/2024 at 07:16, gio1saints said:

Sports Psychology is not really all that hard to understand - even I have a Uni qualification in it- @CB Fry but your ignorance of its obvious applications and your standard abusive response says more about you than you probably wished to reveal. 

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You clearly haven't, have you 😂

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trousers

trousers

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You can get a degree in "Sports Psychology"....? Is that the 21st century equivalent of "Media Studies"...? ;)

Awkward Bbc GIF by britbox

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waylander

waylander

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  On 07/05/2024 at 08:16, JRM said:

Unsold season ticket seats released as well? 

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Think so. I bought in an area I've been going to a lot and there were seats available that I have not previously seen available

DizzyRum

DizzyRum

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I did the same, went on at 9:15am and got 2 tickets - I think it shows as unavailable once you have used your ability to buy.

I noticed that tickets are not print at home and are being posted, so now I have to wait on the postman!

 

DT

DT

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Not getting any joy with the website? Have they all gone already? And why is our away allocation so pitifully small?

JRM

JRM

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  On 07/05/2024 at 08:30, waylander said:

Think so. I bought in an area I've been going to a lot and there were seats available that I have not previously seen available

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Thanks makes sense, I know a few season ticket holders not buying usual seats as waiting to sit with mates who are members/ database so will probably be a few moving around for this game. 

Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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  On 07/05/2024 at 03:52, gio1saints said:

The squad diligently “practising penalties” ahead of such matches cos it’s helpful in the event of a penalty shootout is one of the most popular dog whistle football myths going. 

What it actually does is identify that one or two of them are capable - and the rest should never be allowed to take them. That’s why the team always has a nominated taker and a back up taker( or two) if he’s not on the pitch. 


The team that lets it be known it is  “practising penalties” are psychologically conditioning themselves NOT TO WIN in normal time. 

If I hear that the opposition are “practising penalties” I’m delighted. It’s a sign of fear and weakness. 

I absolutely DO NOT want to have RM tell us the team are practising practising penalties. I want to hear WBA are however. 
 

 

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Yeah, cos not practicing for penalties has worked out really well for England over the years, hasn't it.

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DT

DT

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  On 07/05/2024 at 10:39, saint lard said:

Training taking place at St Mary’s today. Isn’t that a tad unusual?

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I think it may be because we have some games coming up

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aintforever

aintforever

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  On 07/05/2024 at 03:52, gio1saints said:

The squad diligently “practising penalties” ahead of such matches cos it’s helpful in the event of a penalty shootout is one of the most popular dog whistle football myths going. 

What it actually does is identify that one or two of them are capable - and the rest should never be allowed to take them. That’s why the team always has a nominated taker and a back up taker( or two) if he’s not on the pitch. 


The team that lets it be known it is  “practising penalties” are psychologically conditioning themselves NOT TO WIN in normal time. 

If I hear that the opposition are “practising penalties” I’m delighted. It’s a sign of fear and weakness. 

I absolutely DO NOT want to have RM tell us the team are practising practising penalties. I want to hear WBA are however. 
 

 

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That's nonsense, they should be practiced over and over by the whole team so that when they step up under pressure they don't even have to think about where they are going to put it.

Le Tiss was the best penalty taker the Prem has ever seen and I remember watching him practice them before games at the Milton End all the time. If practicing helped him I'm pretty sure the likes of Ryan Manning would benefit from it.  

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bpsaint

bpsaint

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  On 07/05/2024 at 10:39, saint lard said:

Training taking place at St Mary’s today. Isn’t that a tad unusual?

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Guessing it’s a get used to your surroundings thing, which is quite odd for the end of the season admittedly. Maybe it’s for Ross’s benefit, all counts towards that mental edge over the opponent I suppose.

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The Cat

The Cat

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  On 07/05/2024 at 08:37, DT said:

Not getting any joy with the website? Have they all gone already? And why is our away allocation so pitifully small?

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Because teams only have to give 2000 away tickets. That's what we are giving them too

david in sweden

david in sweden

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One tip to Russell Martin.    Make sure everyone has penalty-taking practice.

Going back 20 plus years ago,  I met ..the then ...newly-appointed England Manager - Sven-Gorän Eriksson.. in Stockholm ..

(a  long story for another time).

In a brief conversation, I reminded him that England had been eliminated from international competitions half a dozen times in their past,

because they failed to find half-a dozen players capable of scoring penalties in a shoot-out.   (a terrible way to decide a winner, but only

slightly better than a coin toss).

(In truth it was a hard task, in a league where barely 30% of the players are English and each club's designated penalty specialist is often

a foreign import). but two decades later ..England still manage to lose games because of the same problem, even with a manager who

was a " penalty failure " himself.

 

Svennis'  reaction to my comment shocked him, he went quiet and asked ...Is that really correct ?.... and I assured him it was, and he thanked me.

(However, he did ignore my advice to select James Beattie and Wayne Bridge more often), but a couple of weeks later, he was interviewed on

a TV channel and announced that  he was implementing training with penalty kicks, (luckily it wasn't necessary in the World Cup that followed). 

Sven even made mention of the subject of training for penalties in his autobiography, (but failed to credit the source of his decision was me ...

oh well). 

 

So back to Russell Martin ..so close yet .. in seeing ourselves at Wembley ..with penalty kicks required to find a winner, after a  gruelling

120 minutes play we have the prospect that a late substitute, brought on in added time has to take the vital kick to win the game...

I won't fantasise further - it's too horrible. ...but the fact remains that everyone likely to be involved  - including goalkeepers -

must get some real practice in ....at taking penalty kicks...just in case.

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sandwichsaint

sandwichsaint

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  On 07/05/2024 at 10:39, saint lard said:

Training taking place at St Mary’s today. Isn’t that a tad unusual?

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Practicing at the Northam end for next season's wall-of-noise where the fans will be 'literally' sucking the ball into the net. A slightly different trajectory needed for corner kicks, a little bit less on attacking free kicks, long shots need to be slightly higher so the noise can deflect the ball downwards.

#marginalgains

 

 

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Chez

Chez

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  On 07/05/2024 at 10:39, saint lard said:

Training taking place at St Mary’s today. Isn’t that a tad unusual?

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I used to play cricket where QPR trained (Imperial College Sports Ground) and every year they'd redo the main training pitches there. I wonder if perhaps we have dug up our own main  training pitches and thus SMS has to be the venue for training? 

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