Sheaf Saint Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 14 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: It was perfectly correct. Fraser was comfortably offside. He was clearly ahead of the last defender, but not the ball 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric The Red Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 17 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: He was clearly ahead of the last defender, but not the ball That's incredibly close. I reckon VAR would have spent at least 3 minutes on this, looking forward to these moments next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said: He was clearly ahead of the last defender, but not the ball Any other still shots? Believe me, to those of us who were there and in line he was comfortably offside.. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: It was perfectly correct. Fraser was comfortably offside. He isn't offside Whitey! He's not in front of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Eric The Red said: That's incredibly close. I reckon VAR would have spent at least 3 minutes on this, looking forward to these moments next year? Against the top 6 ..as always. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I'm on phone so can't do this but using that picture it would be easy to tell - draw a line along the line in the grass and move it along. He looks just off to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: I'm on phone so can't do this but using that picture it would be easy to tell - draw a line along the line in the grass and move it along. He looks just off to me. In my defence, i was in the process of marking up drawings: But we was robbed i tells ya! Now imagine if we miss out on promotion on goal difference (by say 1...) to Ipswich. Which is very plausible (if you assume we catch them on points) as we'll close up the current points gap and we've scored more per game than them. Edited April 16 by Saint86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 10 minutes ago, Saint86 said: He isn't offside Whitey! He's not in front of the ball. The ball has already been kicked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 28 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Any other still shots? Believe me, to those of us who were there and in line he was comfortably offside.. OK, let's use the previous frame, just before the ball was kicked, and he looks pretty much level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 54 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: OK, let's use the previous frame, just before the ball was kicked, and he looks pretty much level... Yep. Hes clearly level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Back to the original topic, Shea Charles is clearly our only other defensive midfielder option to cover for Flynn so for me should always be in the squad. I think he may start tonight. I've been impressed with him this season, there's still a lot of growth in him and he's only 20. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: Any other still shots? Believe me, to those of us who were there and in line he was comfortably offside.. I was right in line with it and it wasn’t “comfortably offside” at all. It looked in real time as it does in the stills, a very close call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 11 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said: Yep. Hes clearly level. He’s clearly ahead of the ball and any defender. Certainly not an incorrect decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yozzman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 22 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: He’s clearly ahead of the ball and any defender. Certainly not an incorrect decision. Stop digging Whitey. Your eyesight is not quite as good as you think it is. No problem with the decision as it was close but he is not clearly offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, Yozzman said: Stop digging Whitey. Your eyesight is not quite as good as you think it is. No problem with the decision as it was close but he is not clearly offside. Personally I think he's off, just, but I wouldn't call it clear. We'd be fuming if that was against us and the goal was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: He was clearly ahead of the last defender, but not the ball How do we know the bloke with the lawnmower cut the grass perfectly perpendicular to the touchline...? #devilsadvocate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 38 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said: Hes clearly level. 27 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: He’s clearly ahead of the ball and any defender. Well it seems you're both wrong 🧐 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 16 minutes ago, egg said: Personally I think he's off, just, but I wouldn't call it clear. We'd be fuming if that was against us and the goal was given. Speak for yourself, I’d call it a marginal offside call, which could be given either way. I’d be much more ‘fuming’ about the circumstances which lead us to be 2v1 in our own half in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) Hopefully Charles will be in squad tonight. Downes will likely need a rest at some point. Edited April 16 by Saint Pete Sorry, posted on wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 hours ago, Saint Pete said: Hopefully Charles will be in squad tonight. Downes will likely need a rest at some point. And he got it. And was decent. We're going to need the squad over the next few weeks so good to see him play with confidence. He's not the same player as Downes but I noticed he won a few headers which adds to what he can offer us. I've seen him be poor earlier in the season but he's young and learning and the price tag wasn't his fault. Promising. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Neat and tidy tonight. Short simple passes, with Preston giving plenty of time for him to take up positions to receive passes. A nice confidence builder. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Hard to judge as Preston were so bad but he did alright tonight. Better than throwing random players in there like the last few weeks. Hopefully Martin has seen sense 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 On 16/04/2024 at 22:12, Holmes_and_Watson said: Neat and tidy tonight. Short simple passes, with Preston giving plenty of time for him to take up positions to receive passes. A nice confidence builder. Agree. He never does those searching passes and Preston weren't exactly on him as soon as he had the ball, but he looks competent, looks like a solid player to bring on to defend a lead and looks a lot better in that role than Jack!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 His hate for this guy cost us again today. At 1-0 it was absolutely crying out for a calm head in midfield. Unbelievable he still thinks that Rothwell can play as a 6. His subs today were all wrong. Horrendous management today. He has to start learning 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 hours ago, Osvaldorama said: His hate for this guy cost us again today. At 1-0 it was absolutely crying out for a calm head in midfield. Unbelievable he still thinks that Rothwell can play as a 6. His subs today were all wrong. Horrendous management today. He has to start learning I'd have liked to see us start with Aribo, Armstrong and Charles in midfield today. Or Aribo, Downes and Charles once Downes is fit. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Now that Stuart Armstrong is out of action, Charles needs some match practice in time for the playoffs. Still think he is a solid person to have just in front of the back four and would definitely play him in the Leicester game this week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Oh!..... seems a lot of people have got sidetracked / off topic......but this is still the Shea Charles thread, isn't it?...... Shea Charles has been on the periphery of the squad, seldom a starter and yet got on the pitch in over 30 matches last season. There must be some quality there as he has already played 16 times for Northern Ireland... .and is still only 20 years old. (21 in November) I was surprised to see that he was already 6'2 " ...and is varyingly described as...a defensive midfielder, a centre-back .and even full back. (A bit tall for a full back I would have thought), but the right build for a defensive role. Don't see him ousting any of our midfield trio, a.t.m or even displacing Jan.B, or THB, but certainly someone who might be in the mix a bit more in the coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 49 minutes ago, david in sweden said: Oh!..... seems a lot of people have got sidetracked / off topic......but this is still the Shea Charles thread, isn't it?...... Shea Charles has been on the periphery of the squad, seldom a starter and yet got on the pitch in over 30 matches last season. There must be some quality there as he has already played 16 times for Northern Ireland... .and is still only 20 years old. (21 in November) I was surprised to see that he was already 6'2 " ...and is varyingly described as...a defensive midfielder, a centre-back .and even full back. (A bit tall for a full back I would have thought), but the right build for a defensive role. Don't see him ousting any of our midfield trio, a.t.m or even displacing Jan.B, or THB, but certainly someone who might be in the mix a bit more in the coming season. Not sure 16 caps for Northern Ireland is an indication of any stand out quality. Especially when you consider what leagues the majority of their players are playing in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 20 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Not sure 16 caps for Northern Ireland is an indication of any stand out quality. Especially when you consider what leagues the majority of their players are playing in. Agreed ..and sadly the N.I. side is not what it was - even 2 years ago, but it's not about who he's playing alongside, but for a mere 20 year old to have already come up against some of the better international players in World football, he has a darn sight more experience than some lad whose been.. " a success " in someone's U21 Prem. side, and not yet set foot on a League pitch. Give him time. I don't expect to see him starting in games, but he's obviously got a lot of potential for someone at such a young age. Edited June 12 by david in sweden 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Being from NI and reguarly watching our games, I can confidently say that Shea, Connor Bradley (Liverpool) and Daniel Ballard (Sunderland) have been our stand out players for the past 18 months. Yes the majority of our players are Championship/Scottish Prem/L1 level but Shea is regularly coming up against quality and established international players (Spain last weekend) and putting in some good performances. It hasnt translated into the same level of performances for us, but hes only 20 and provides a good backup option to the likes of Downes. Would rather he stayed as a squad option for this season than being loaned out. Hes an injury away from getting a good run in the side 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: …… provides a good backup option to the likes of Downes. Would rather he stayed as a squad option for this season than being loaned out. Hes an injury away from getting a good run in the side In theory, but it largely depends on what other options Martin has as he seemed reluctant to select Charles last season. Might take a couple of injuries before he’s called upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 I'd like to think Charles is getting, and is receptive to, a lot of specialist training in pre season. Martin tried him, and was reluctant to use him for his core position. On one hand, he got 15 league starts and 17 sub appearances for a promoted Championship side. Excellent for his age. On the other, he was out of contention at the end, and will get even less time in the PL. It would be great to see him adapt to Martin's requirements, and compete for that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Charles will be a very good player. He showed glimpses last season, but early on when he was used as a CB, he made some awful mistakes and it seemed to knock his confidence and the confidence of the manager. Downes also developed into a star in Shea's best position. He will come good, I'm sure, certainly good to have in the squad. Perhaps we should be looking at his younger brother, Pierce, apparently a ball playing keeper, Sheffield Wed 17 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 hours ago, Badger said: In theory, but it largely depends on what other options Martin has as he seemed reluctant to select Charles last season. Might take a couple of injuries before he’s called upon. Charles did start two of early games, both wins v. Plymouth and QPR , but fortunately for him he didn't start in the tragic Sunderland game, but the fact that he got so many sub. apps. shows that RM was keen to give him game time, but was perhaps reluctant to change the back line too much when we had the 24 match unbeaten run. ..He's still a great prospect at 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 11 hours ago, woodsaint1 said: Being from NI and reguarly watching our games, I can confidently say that Shea, Connor Bradley (Liverpool) and Daniel Ballard (Sunderland) have been our stand out players for the past 18 months. Yes the majority of our players are Championship/Scottish Prem/L1 level but Shea is regularly coming up against quality and established international players (Spain last weekend) and putting in some good performances. It hasnt translated into the same level of performances for us, but hes only 20 and provides a good backup option to the likes of Downes. Would rather he stayed as a squad option for this season than being loaned out. Hes an injury away from getting a good run in the side Good to hear that, but in truth he has been pretty poor for us. It looked like RM didn't trust him or want to use him at all in the back end of the season. He's young and still learning the game, but he's going to need to show some progression, much more intensity and that quality you describe in preseason otherwise he isn't going to get a look in. I hope he does, otherwise it's yet another player we will need to bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, Chez said: much more intensity I think that's the critical issue, at least when I've watched him. Never quite there, but has something going for him. Perhaps another year of experience, strength, growth even may help him make an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Easy to forget the lad is only 20. I was disappointed he didn't play more last season and didn't have the impact when he did but he's got time on his side. His big problem is he'll likely get even less time next season so it'll be a big call on whether to send him out on loan or hope he can improve whilst still being a bit part player. Definitely think he deserved to play more when Downes was injured and thought he showed some really good flashes against Liverpool away where he received the ball on the half turn a few times - something he hadn't showed before and Lavia was so good at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERMUDASAINT Posted Friday at 13:27 Share Posted Friday at 13:27 Shea Charles will become the youngest captain in Northern Ireland history. looks like he is deveoping very well, away from our shit show at SFC. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERMUDASAINT Posted Friday at 13:37 Share Posted Friday at 13:37 Sheffield Wednesday Star's historic honour shows Sheffield Wednesday have pulled off a special signing. https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/stars-historic-honour-shows-sheffield-wednesday-have-pulled-off-a-special-signing-4867529 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted Friday at 14:29 Share Posted Friday at 14:29 He has been playing very well this season and Sheffield Weds fans are concerned that we might recall him in January. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted Friday at 16:17 Share Posted Friday at 16:17 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: He has been playing very well this season and Sheffield Weds fans are concerned that we might recall him in January. No chance of that. Martin doesn't see the point in defensive midfielders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted Friday at 17:13 Share Posted Friday at 17:13 54 minutes ago, coalman said: No chance of that. Martin doesn't see the point in defensive midfielders And he’s not good enough. He’s not going to bring anything to the team, as poor as it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted yesterday at 07:39 Share Posted yesterday at 07:39 A loose link to move to Arsenal in todays rumours.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, skintsaint said: A loose link to move to Arsenal in todays rumours.. Shame - You'd like to think he is one of the ones we'd keep hold off and try to build around... But i guess sales are going to be required over the summer 😕 Edited 23 hours ago by Saint86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, Saint86 said: Shame - You'd like to think he is one of the ones we'd keep hold off and try to build around... But i guess sales are going to be required over the summer 😕 All the quality will be gone when we are down, whilst this shit show continues who can blame them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago (edited) 24 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said: All the quality will be gone when we are down, whilst this shit show continues who can blame them No it won't. That will be the case if we don't go up within two seasons but at least the first year down you'd expect us to be able to keep some quality and be around the best in the division. Edited 21 hours ago by hypochondriac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago On 15/11/2024 at 17:13, Greenridge said: And he’s not good enough. He’s not going to bring anything to the team, as poor as it is. Harsh IMO. Thought he showed promise last season, in spite of Martin playing him in so many different roles so he couldn't settle. And he's obviously done really well at Wednesday, captain of NI, and now linked with Arsenal in (admittedly unreliable) click bait. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ken Tone said: Harsh IMO. Thought he showed promise last season, in spite of Martin playing him in so many different roles so he couldn't settle. And he's obviously done really well at Wednesday, captain of NI, and now linked with Arsenal in (admittedly unreliable) click bait. Funnily enough thriving under a good manager who plays non-ponderous higher energy football (although anything slower than Russball is like the WBA fan who fell asleep in the away end last year). Edited 20 hours ago by Gloucester Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 44 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Funnily enough thriving under a good manager who plays non-ponderous higher energy football (although anything slower than Russball is like the WBA fan who fell asleep in the away end last year). Maybe we should recall him and ask him to smuggle the manager out! He can’t possibly be a downgrade on Russ and knows how to get a tune out of one of our players already! I have two Wednesday season ticket holders in the house this week doing some work and they both think he’s the best player at the club and can’t believe we loaned him out! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Ken Tone said: Harsh IMO. Thought he showed promise last season, in spite of Martin playing him in so many different roles so he couldn't settle. And he's obviously done really well at Wednesday, captain of NI, and now linked with Arsenal in (admittedly unreliable) click bait. He's seemingly doing OK in a team lying 15th in the Championship hence my comment wrt our predicament in the PL. I've not seen him this season other than the 1-0 defeat to Sheffield Utd where he was far from stand out. Actually, I wouldn't have noticed him at all if it wasn't for the SFC connection. I know we like to think all our best players are at other clubs on loan or the result of a cheap sale but he's not one of them. But I do agree with you in that he needs a run in a team and that's what he's getting at SW. Edited 18 hours ago by Greenridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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