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Saint86

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  On 16/04/2024 at 15:13, Saint_clark said:

I'm on phone so can't do this but using that picture it would be easy to tell - draw a line along the line in the grass and move it along. 

He looks just off to me.

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In my defence, i was in the process of marking up drawings:
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But we was robbed i tells ya!

Now imagine if we miss out on promotion on goal difference (by say 1...) to Ipswich. Which is very plausible (if you assume we catch them on points) as we'll close up the current points gap and we've scored more per game than them.
 

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davefizzy14

davefizzy14

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Back to the original topic, Shea Charles is clearly our only other defensive midfielder option to cover for Flynn so for me should always be in the squad. I think he may start tonight. I've been impressed with him this season, there's still a lot of growth in him and he's only 20.

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Graffito

Graffito

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  On 16/04/2024 at 15:01, Whitey Grandad said:

Any other still shots?

Believe me, to those of us who were there and in line he was comfortably offside..

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I was right in line with it and it wasn’t “comfortably offside” at all. It looked in real time as it does in the stills, a very close call.

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Yozzman

Yozzman

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  On 16/04/2024 at 16:37, Whitey Grandad said:

He’s clearly ahead of the ball and any defender.

Certainly not an incorrect decision.

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Stop digging Whitey. Your eyesight is not quite as good as you think it is.

No problem with the decision as it was close but he is not clearly offside.

egg

egg

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  On 16/04/2024 at 17:03, Yozzman said:

Stop digging Whitey. Your eyesight is not quite as good as you think it is.

No problem with the decision as it was close but he is not clearly offside.

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Personally I think he's off, just, but I wouldn't call it clear. We'd be fuming if that was against us and the goal was given. 

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 16/04/2024 at 17:06, egg said:

Personally I think he's off, just, but I wouldn't call it clear. We'd be fuming if that was against us and the goal was given. 

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Speak for yourself, I’d call it a marginal offside call, which could be given either way. I’d be much more ‘fuming’ about the circumstances which lead us to be 2v1 in our own half in the first place.

Saint Pete

Saint Pete

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Hopefully Charles will be in squad tonight. Downes will likely need a rest at some point.

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SNSUN

SNSUN

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  On 16/04/2024 at 17:52, Saint Pete said:

Hopefully Charles will be in squad tonight. Downes will likely need a rest at some point.

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And he got it. And was decent. We're going to need the squad over the next few weeks so good to see him play with confidence. He's not the same player as Downes but I noticed he won a few headers which adds to what he can offer us. I've seen him be poor earlier in the season but he's young and learning and the price tag wasn't his fault. Promising. 

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Osvaldorama

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Hard to judge as Preston were so bad but he did alright tonight. Better than throwing random players in there like the last few weeks. 
 

Hopefully Martin has seen sense 

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OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

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  On 16/04/2024 at 21:12, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Neat and tidy tonight. Short simple passes, with Preston giving plenty of time for him to take up positions to receive passes. A nice confidence builder.

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Agree. He never does those searching passes and Preston weren't exactly on him as soon as he had the ball, but he looks competent, looks like a solid player to bring on to defend a lead and looks a lot better in that role than Jack!!

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Osvaldorama

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His hate for this guy cost us again today. 
 

At 1-0 it was absolutely crying out for a calm head in midfield. 
 

Unbelievable he still thinks that Rothwell can play as a 6. 
 

His subs today were all wrong. Horrendous management today. He has to start learning 

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coalman

coalman

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  On 20/04/2024 at 18:25, Osvaldorama said:

His hate for this guy cost us again today. 
 

At 1-0 it was absolutely crying out for a calm head in midfield. 
 

Unbelievable he still thinks that Rothwell can play as a 6. 
 

His subs today were all wrong. Horrendous management today. He has to start learning 

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I'd have liked to see us start with Aribo, Armstrong and Charles in midfield today.

Or Aribo, Downes and Charles once Downes is fit.

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david in sweden

david in sweden

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Oh!..... seems a lot of people have got sidetracked / off topic......but this is still  the Shea Charles thread,  isn't it?......

 

Shea Charles has been on the periphery of the squad, seldom a starter and yet got on the pitch in over 30 matches last season. 

There must be some quality there as he has already played 16 times for Northern Ireland... .and is  still only 20 years old.  (21 in November)

I was surprised to see that he was already  6'2 " ...and is varyingly described as...a defensive midfielder, a centre-back .and even full back.

(A bit tall for a full back I would have thought),  but the right build for a defensive role.   Don't see him ousting any of our midfield trio, a.t.m

or even displacing  Jan.B,  or THB,  but certainly someone who might be in the mix a bit more in the coming season. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 11/06/2024 at 07:01, david in sweden said:

Oh!..... seems a lot of people have got sidetracked / off topic......but this is still  the Shea Charles thread,  isn't it?......

 

Shea Charles has been on the periphery of the squad, seldom a starter and yet got on the pitch in over 30 matches last season. 

There must be some quality there as he has already played 16 times for Northern Ireland... .and is  still only 20 years old.  (21 in November)

I was surprised to see that he was already  6'2 " ...and is varyingly described as...a defensive midfielder, a centre-back .and even full back.

(A bit tall for a full back I would have thought),  but the right build for a defensive role.   Don't see him ousting any of our midfield trio, a.t.m

or even displacing  Jan.B,  or THB,  but certainly someone who might be in the mix a bit more in the coming season. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Not sure 16 caps for Northern Ireland is an indication of any stand out quality. Especially when you consider what leagues the majority of their players are playing in. 

david in sweden

david in sweden

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  On 11/06/2024 at 07:52, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Not sure 16 caps for Northern Ireland is an indication of any stand out quality. Especially when you consider what leagues the majority of their players are playing in. 

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Agreed ..and sadly the N.I. side is not what it was - even 2 years ago, but it's not about who he's playing alongside, but for  a mere

20 year old  to have already come up against some of the better international players in World football,  he has a darn sight more

experience than some lad whose been.. " a success " in someone's U21 Prem. side,  and not yet set foot on  a League pitch.   

Give him time.  I don't expect to see him starting in games, but he's obviously got a lot of potential for someone at such a young age. 

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woodsaint1

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Being from NI and reguarly watching our games, I can confidently say that Shea, Connor Bradley (Liverpool) and Daniel Ballard (Sunderland) have been our stand out players for the past 18 months. Yes the majority of our players are Championship/Scottish Prem/L1 level but Shea is regularly coming up against quality and established international players (Spain last weekend) and putting in some good performances. It hasnt translated into the same level of performances for us, but hes only 20 and provides a good backup option to the likes of Downes. Would rather he stayed as a squad option for this season than being loaned out. Hes an injury away from getting a good run in the side

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Badger

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  On 12/06/2024 at 07:22, woodsaint1 said:

…… provides a good backup option to the likes of Downes. Would rather he stayed as a squad option for this season than being loaned out. Hes an injury away from getting a good run in the side

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In theory, but it largely depends on what other options Martin has as he seemed reluctant to select Charles last season. Might take a couple of injuries before he’s called upon. 

Holmes_and_Watson

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I'd like to think Charles is getting, and is receptive to, a lot of specialist training in pre season. Martin tried him, and was reluctant to use him for his core position.

On one hand, he got 15 league starts and 17 sub appearances for a promoted Championship side. Excellent for his age. On the other, he was out of contention at the end, and will get even less time in the PL.

It would be great to see him adapt to Martin's requirements, and compete for that position.

VectisSaint

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Charles will be a very good player. He showed glimpses last season, but early on when he was used as a CB, he made some awful mistakes and it seemed to knock his confidence and the confidence of the manager. Downes also developed into a star in Shea's best position. He will come good, I'm sure, certainly good to have in the squad.

Perhaps we should be looking at his younger brother, Pierce, apparently a ball playing keeper, Sheffield Wed 17 year old.

 

david in sweden

david in sweden

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  On 12/06/2024 at 07:30, Badger said:

In theory, but it largely depends on what other options Martin has as he seemed reluctant to select Charles last season.

Might take a couple of injuries before he’s called upon. 

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Charles did start two of early games, both wins v. Plymouth and QPR , but fortunately for him he didn't start in the tragic Sunderland game,

but the fact that he got so many sub. apps. shows that RM was keen to give him game time, but was perhaps reluctant to change

the back line too much when we had the 24 match unbeaten run. ..He's still a great prospect at 20. 

Chez

Chez

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  On 12/06/2024 at 07:22, woodsaint1 said:

Being from NI and reguarly watching our games, I can confidently say that Shea, Connor Bradley (Liverpool) and Daniel Ballard (Sunderland) have been our stand out players for the past 18 months. Yes the majority of our players are Championship/Scottish Prem/L1 level but Shea is regularly coming up against quality and established international players (Spain last weekend) and putting in some good performances. It hasnt translated into the same level of performances for us, but hes only 20 and provides a good backup option to the likes of Downes. Would rather he stayed as a squad option for this season than being loaned out. Hes an injury away from getting a good run in the side

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Good to hear that, but in truth he has been pretty poor for us. It looked like RM didn't trust him or want to use him at all in the back end of the season. He's young and still learning the game, but he's going to need to show some progression, much more intensity and that quality you describe in preseason otherwise he isn't going to get a look in. I hope he does, otherwise it's yet another player we will need to bring in.

suewhistle

suewhistle

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  On 12/06/2024 at 18:30, Chez said:

much more intensity

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I think that's the critical issue, at least when I've watched him. Never quite there, but has something going for him. Perhaps another year of experience, strength, growth even  may help him make an impact.

revolution saint

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Easy to forget the lad is only 20.  I was disappointed he didn't play more last season and didn't have the impact when he did but he's got time on his side.  His big problem is he'll likely get even less time next season so it'll be a big call on whether to send him out on loan or hope he can improve whilst still being a  bit part player. 

Definitely think he deserved to play more when Downes was injured and thought he showed some really good flashes against Liverpool away where he received the ball on the half turn a few times - something he hadn't showed before and Lavia was so good at.

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coalman

coalman

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  On 15/11/2024 at 14:29, sadoldgit said:

He has been playing very well this season and Sheffield Weds fans are concerned that we might recall him in January.

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No chance of that. Martin doesn't see the point in defensive midfielders 

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Saint86

Saint86

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  On 20/11/2024 at 07:39, skintsaint said:

A loose link to move to Arsenal in todays rumours..

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Shame - You'd like to think he is one of the ones we'd keep hold off and try to build around... But i guess sales are going to be required over the summer 😕

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tdmickey3

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  On 20/11/2024 at 09:18, Saint86 said:

Shame - You'd like to think he is one of the ones we'd keep hold off and try to build around... But i guess sales are going to be required over the summer 😕

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All the quality will be gone when we are down, whilst this shit show continues who can blame them

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 20/11/2024 at 10:40, tdmickey3 said:

All the quality will be gone when we are down, whilst this shit show continues who can blame them

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No it won't. That will be the case if we don't go up within two seasons but at least the first year down you'd expect us to be able to keep some quality and be around the best in the division. 

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Ken Tone

Ken Tone

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  On 15/11/2024 at 17:13, Greenridge said:

And he’s not good enough. He’s not going to bring anything to the team, as poor as it is. 

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Harsh IMO. Thought he showed promise last season, in spite of Martin playing him in so many different roles so he couldn't settle. And he's obviously done really well at Wednesday, captain of NI, and now linked with Arsenal in (admittedly unreliable) click bait.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 20/11/2024 at 12:18, Ken Tone said:

Harsh IMO. Thought he showed promise last season, in spite of Martin playing him in so many different roles so he couldn't settle. And he's obviously done really well at Wednesday, captain of NI, and now linked with Arsenal in (admittedly unreliable) click bait.

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Funnily enough thriving under a good manager who plays non-ponderous higher energy football (although anything slower than Russball is like the WBA fan who fell asleep in the away end last year). 

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a1ex2001

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  On 20/11/2024 at 12:22, Gloucester Saint said:

Funnily enough thriving under a good manager who plays non-ponderous higher energy football (although anything slower than Russball is like the WBA fan who fell asleep in the away end last year). 

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Maybe we should recall him and ask him to smuggle the manager out!  He can’t possibly be a downgrade on Russ and knows how to get a tune out of one of our players already!

I have two Wednesday season ticket holders in the house this week doing some work and they both think he’s the best player at the club and can’t believe we loaned him out!

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Greenridge

Greenridge

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  On 20/11/2024 at 12:18, Ken Tone said:

Harsh IMO. Thought he showed promise last season, in spite of Martin playing him in so many different roles so he couldn't settle. And he's obviously done really well at Wednesday, captain of NI, and now linked with Arsenal in (admittedly unreliable) click bait.

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He's seemingly doing OK in a team lying 15th in the Championship hence my comment wrt our predicament in the PL. I've not seen him this season other than the 1-0 defeat to Sheffield Utd where he was far from stand out. Actually, I wouldn't have noticed him at all if it wasn't for the SFC connection. I know we like to think all our best players are at other clubs on loan or the result of a cheap sale but he's not one of them. 

But I do agree with you in that he needs a run in a team and that's what he's getting at SW.

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