Wade Garrett Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Me neither but it's the principle. You can't whinge about one manager (ie Koeman) showing no loyalty but then call another manager every name under the sun and demand he goes. You can if they’re shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 4 minutes ago, CB Fry said: On holiday so I didn't follow the game. Only one question - were we brave? I think we were brave as supporters for watching it. Took some bravery to sit through that shit-fest that's for sure. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteleySaint30 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 5 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said: This possession football is so boring- literally sends me to sleep. I've said it all season even during the unbeaten run. Predictable and boring. Even the Blackburn commentators questioned why, when our players beat the first tackle that they would then turn and go backwards.......... Really not a fan of Martin's style and never will be. Bearing in mind the resources we have the team are massively under performing. Martin out for me whether we go up or syay down - I want to be entertained and we are far from doing that......... So, does he go or stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 4 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: They'll be the same people whinging about Wilcox showing "NO LOYALTY" though. Do you really think that anybody cares that Wilcox has gone???? He's done his job and dumped a load of Man City duds here. He obviously didn't care or have a clue what we needed or he'd have brought in a decent goalkeeper. Good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 That game annoyed me a lot more than Boro or Ipswich. Performances were decent against them. Today, given the circumstances, was really bad. You have to win in case others slip up. Two teams slipped up, and we played like it was the penultimate game of the season and we were mid table. Something doesn't seem right as we're too good to let this happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said: Even the Blackburn commentators questioned why, when our players beat the first tackle that they would then turn and go backwards......... The amount of times this happened today was ridiculous, teams must love defending against us. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 5 minutes ago, CB Fry said: On holiday so I didn't follow the game. Only one question - were we brave? The total opposite! It was a massive bore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said: You can if they’re shit. Fair enough. Just don't expect "loyalty" from players or managers. Russ has done a 6/10 job at worst. He's been "okay". And he deserves that kind of abuse?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 A free kick in the last minute with the chance to put the ball into the box and it gets passed sideways where we lose possession. That must be instructions from the top because no footballer with a desire to win the game even considers doing that. Just nuts. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: "Farke has no Plan B . Total fraud coach . No idea what his best 11 is . Needs to be replaced if we go up because hes shown he cant hack it in the top league . Needs to be replaced if we stay down for bottling it !!" - A comment from the Leeds full time Facebook post. Football fans are hilarious. Yeah, blinkered, the lot of them...;) Edited April 6 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Just now, Bad Wolf said: Fair enough. Just don't expect "loyalty" from players or managers. Russ has done a 6/10 job at worst. He's been "okay". And he deserves that kind of abuse?? It’s football. Who the fuck expects loyalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Another attempt from Martin to try and unlock some of his system’s deficiencies. He will see it as finding a solution for the players to deliver within his wonderful set up. Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem capable of getting the right players on the pitch together at any one time, let alone implement any actual solutions. The core principle of possession is well in place. We gifted a chance or two from the flanks, that Martin is fine with. And we were outnumbered from one of our own corners. Also much the same as all season. Blackburn in the second half did have spells of momentum, and got a few shots away. But broadly, Martin will be fairly happy with that defensively. We’ve tried physical combinations. We’ve tried direct passes to the wing for one player to race on and hope for support. We’ve tried variations up front and, with Stephens, we’ve tried variations on inverted fullbacks and more direct approaches through the middle. None of those seems to have worked as yet, and the more it fidgets from one to the other, the further a solution seems to be. We lacked any kind of midfield creativity today. Stu was the big miss. His technical ability allows him to support, get a good pass away and take players on himself at times. Rothwell had a very quiet game, filling space to support Downes and Aribo more than being able to get forward himself. Stephens was fairly solid, and popped up in a lot of positions. But we lost any kind of linked play with that line up today, and he was certainly part of that. He did get a ball over to Aribo that came off the bar. Without it, we needed to get balls out to Fraser or Brooks quickly and provide numbers centrally to support their attacks. That would have needed a certain amount of urgency. Brooks had a couple of good moments early on. He provided AA with a really good chance. We ended up with 3 samey players on at the front today, none of whom really got into the game and didn’t offer any variation. Martin did bring on Smallbone and Adams and we immediately looked a bit more structured. Fraser had done so little today, I was wondering if it should have been Brooks to stay on. Momentum had gone a bit again, by the time we brought on Sule and Edozie. Sule did okay getting a good chance and taking on his man. Edozie was lively. But without much end product, although he wasn’t really helped. Blackburn didn’t play a high enough line for Sule to really get into space out wide. His best chance was through the middle. That was the second of our two chances on target today. It felt like a bit of a reset where Martin was trying out some variations again. He’s been doing this over the last few weeks which has arguably cost us a run in at the automatic places. So, now it’s play offs I expect we’ll see more of it. His system doesn’t bring the best out of our players. Or rather, it brings out some good qualities in some of the players, but at the expense of other areas. We don’t seem able to get enough of them on the park at any one time in his gameplan to put teams away. This is with a number of players who would slot nicely into the systems of other clubs in the division. Tougher the way we like to set ourselves up. As it was virtually the last kick of the game. Smallbone’s free kick was an utter shocker. Something you can pin the lack of drive, inability to capture momentum and risk rather than system to win a game of football on. He’d made a really positive impact for us apart from that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block41 Saint Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 11 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: They'll be the same people whinging about Wilcox showing "NO LOYALTY" though. Fuck him too, he sanctioned £20m on crap that can't get into the squad. SR are woeful owners, the sooner they fuck off the better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Just now, trousers said: Yeah, blinkered the lot of them...;) I include myself. I'm as irrational and emotionally stunted as any football fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 7 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Me neither but it's the principle. You can't whinge about one manager (ie Koeman) showing no loyalty but then call another manager every name under the sun and demand he goes. Who has done this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Gifford Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Okey dokey. Sorry RM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Just now, Bad Wolf said: I include myself. I'm as irrational and emotionally stunted as any football fan. No comment... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Just now, Wade Garrett said: It’s football. Who the fuck expects loyalty? Fans do...When it suits them. I'm in agreement. It's a job - Nothing more. There shouldn't be any more loyalty than a shelf stacker would have to Tesco. But do you not see the "THERE'S NO LOYALTY LEFT IN FOOTBALL" comments that do the rounds any time someone leaves that we don't want to? Go look at the thread on Facebook from the club when Tino left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixedkebab Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 This inverted full back trying to be clever, defensive players like Stephens out of position drifting into midfield, is utter bullshit. causes confusion and the players look fed up with it. From now on the defence has to feature 2 fucking natural full backs and THB and Bednarek in the centre. then the midfield can do their jobs and make sure the wide men receive the ball more. Fucking bearded bullshit is wearing thin 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Things that happened in the last 5 mins today: KWP off and Mara on. That really looks like we're going for it. Free kick deep in Blackburns half. Played short, lost and ended up near our box. Either we're throwing the kitchen sink at them, or not. No one seems to know. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 I hate 'if' statements. Here's one: If we'd won against Boro, Ipswich and Blackburn, we'd be four points off second-place Leeds. With two games in hand. As it is, long gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Fans do...When it suits them. I'm in agreement. It's a job - Nothing more. There shouldn't be any more loyalty than a shelf stacker would have to Tesco. But do you not see the "THERE'S NO LOYALTY LEFT IN FOOTBALL" comments that do the rounds any time someone leaves that we don't want to? Go look at the thread on Facebook from the club when Tino left. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Joke of a club. Joke owners. Joke of a manager Fuck off. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Fans do...When it suits them. I'm in agreement. It's a job - Nothing more. There shouldn't be any more loyalty than a shelf stacker would have to Tesco. But do you not see the "THERE'S NO LOYALTY LEFT IN FOOTBALL" comments that do the rounds any time someone leaves that we don't want to? Go look at the thread on Facebook from the club when Tino left. Are you forgetting the part where they get paid tens of thousands of pounds a week? Edited April 6 by SambaMaverick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Marky Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Really was hoping we could turn this round, they must have known Ipswich lost ( I don’t think they will make the auto slot, their last 6 games ouch) and Leeds were losing, if that was not a huge incentive to put a performance in and wtf do we get, the usual shit served up to ruin everyone’s weekend. We’ve got 5 players on loan who regularly play, they don’t give a shit if we don’t go up, they’ll go back to their clubs picking up their premiership wages. You’ve got Che who knows he’s gone and the others who will be on their last year, knowing they will be sold. What a fucking shit show. If by some miracle we were to win the playoffs, can you imagine any of this lot performing in the prem. Bazuna in goal, 😱. It’s not like they could spend any money, because apparently we are in the shit with ffp and have to show a profit this year, yeah right. What a sad state of affairs, all totally avoidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNewForest Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 We've been found out. Its as simple as that. Unless Martin changes his ways, we won't be turning this round 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said: Are you forgetting the part where they get paid tens of thousands of pounds a week? Yes. Because it's their job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeG Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Gone off the boil since RM removed his wedding ring? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 12 minutes ago, redkeith said: Rothwell has had 4 good touches since he joined us. Other than those goals, he has done nothing. He is like Ted Mcdonald, without the offsides. We were very flat until the 2 wingers came on. Like to see them start the next 2 games. I'm guessing you mean Ted MacDougall🤣🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said: We've been found out. Its as simple as that. Unless Martin changes his ways, we won't be turning this round We were found out on day dot. How many teams in this division would be happy to sit back, take a point and let us knock it around for most of the game? 20? 21 even? We've dropped so many points to not taking enough risks, and only got three points on other occasions through late goals. We are one of the easiest games in this division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said: We've been found out. Its as simple as that. Unless Martin changes his ways, we won't be turning this round Yep, as I said earlier in the thread, Russball can be easily countered by any standard of team above L2. Does not bode well for the play-offs one iota. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Fair enough. Just don't expect "loyalty" from players or managers. Russ has done a 6/10 job at worst. He's been "okay". And he deserves that kind of abuse?? As you say, he is a 6/10, mediocre sort of manager, which is what his whole managerial career told us he would be. The owners seem to want to turn us into the new Swansea - a small, mid-table Championship team with good passing stats - so he was an ideal fit for them. Nobody's going to want to poach him away from us, so you don't need to worry about loyalty. The highly lucrative world of professional football isn't like the civil service. By ordinary people's standards, fortunes can be made in 1 or 2 contracts. Very few managers last more than 2 years at one club. Most get sacked before then and can enjoy their new-found wealth at their leisure. Edited April 6 by Nordic Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 We have about four players who have claims to be the best in their positions in the division and yet we are producing this shite. We are 100% uderperforming and we need to use the remaining games to think about what we are going to do in the playoffs. I'm not confident but Martin has to pull something out of his arse or we will be so easy to beat 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 As a previous poster said, this possession football is boring when played at a funeral pace. Watching City earlier was a revelation. Crisp passing and first time shooting. And guess what, passes played forward not sideways and backwards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 What his obsession is with playing Jack Stephens is, I will never know 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Marky Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: We have about four players who have claims to be the best in their positions in the division and yet we are producing this shite. We are 100% uderperforming and we need to use the remaining games to think about what we are going to do in the playoffs. I'm not confident but Martin has to pull something out of his arse or we will be so easy to beat The only thing Russ will be pulling from his arse is last nights aubergine vegan tart. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 42 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Me neither but it's the principle. You can't whinge about one manager (ie Koeman) showing no loyalty but then call another manager every name under the sun and demand he goes. What, like some of our know it all fans did to Hassenhuttle since the first game of last season? 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 What a dreadful performance. Russball was not the problem today, just a complete lack of effort or ambition or energy from several of our players. Looked like they had given up before we started. Brooks in particular was absolute shite, which is unusual, KWP wasn't great (again), THB was off the boil. Rothwell was a waste of space, Aribo looked asleep. Downes was doing so much work, but a lot of it wasn't coming off with passes getting cut out. Our passing was sloppy, lethargic. We badly missed Stuey today with his driving runs. There was still so much to play for, especially with results going out way, we should be going all out to get as.many points as possible to build confidence for the playoffs, and even to ensure 4th place (because it is not ensured at the moment, though WBA dropping 2 points has helped). Only the second game this season we haven't scored, still we kept a clean sheet so at least we won't get the 'we concede too many' trope trotted out here (although I wouldn't be surprised to see it trotted out anyway). What a waste of an afternoon enduring that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: What his obsession is with playing Jack Stephens is, I will never know Nothing about today was Jack Stephen's fault... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Just now, Saint86 said: Nothing about today was Jack Stephen's fault... his whole being there, especially playing some demented LB/CM role, upsets the balance of the side. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 minutes ago, CeeBee said: As a previous poster said, this possession football is boring when played at a funeral pace. Watching City earlier was a revelation. Crisp passing and first time shooting. And guess what, passes played forward not sideways and backwards. Any system is crap to watch when it’s not working. When teams found a way to play through Ralph’s press, it didn’t work. Jones’ long, direct football didn’t look good against anyone at all. There’s no universally great system, otherwise every team would be playing it every game and never lose. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said: As you say, he is a 6/10, mediocre sort of manager, which is what his whole managerial career told us he would be. The owners seem to want to turn us into the new Swansea - a small, mid-table Championship team with good passing stats - so he was an ideal fit for them. Nobody's going to want to poach him away from us, so you don't need to worry about loyalty. The highly lucrative world of professional football isn't like the civil service. By ordinary people's standards, fortunes can be made in 1 or 2 contracts. Very few managers last more than 2 years at one club. Most get sacked before then and can enjoy their new-found wealth at their leisure. We're run by a man who credits himself with Brentford's rise. What's worse is he's one of those guys who can't imagine doing things any differently to what he's done before, and he's prepared to break any system to suit the mould he wants. Saints were functioning well enough when they came in (given the lack of input under Goa), and had started to turn the transfer side of things around once Hassenhuttle and Semmens had full control in the past year or so. Yes we were losing pace with the league, but what do people expect with no investment compared to every other team? SR then came in, undermined the manager and dismantled the coaching setup, completely disrupted the backroom staff across basically the entire club (from the academy and scouting to the business and financial side), and then they spent over £160M reshaping the squad with players that either weren't needed/ready, or didn't fit... and in the middle of all that, they singularly failed to do the most important thing - which was to sign a bloody striker to replace the goals of Ings. How you can spend £160M on a side with a good manager that badly needed investment and it make them worse is beyond me... but thats SRs legacy - relegation. The level of change they oversaw was a clear klaxon that they didn't know what they were doing, and that they were going to break everything to follow their incredibly arrogant and vain view that they were secret geniuses who were smarter than everyone else and who could do something new in football... The grand summation of all that, is that Rasmus Ankerson has taken the club with the 11th highest cumulative prem points total, and turned them into a club shitter than Brentford (when he was there). Russel Martin is just the latest instalment of the man's ego project. And in terms of transfer policy this summer... No decent fullback cover, no depth at CDM, and still needing a proper goalscorer. Edited April 6 by Saint86 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Any system is crap to watch when it’s not working. When teams found a way to play through Ralph’s press, it didn’t work. Jones’ long, direct football didn’t look good against anyone at all. There’s no universally great system, otherwise every team would be playing it every game and never lose. Surely once a system breaks down and ceases to get results it has to be tweaked. If your manager cannot/ will not do this then he ceases to be of value as a manager. It's all very well being evangelical about a certain way of playing but results count not the amount of times your team makes a successful sideways 5 yard pass. Edited April 6 by Oldandtired 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 52 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said: So, does he go or stay? "This indecision's bugging me"' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 41 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: Joke of a club. Joke owners. Joke of a manager Fuck off. when we win the play off final, this post will be classic 14 minutes ago, VectisSaint said: What a dreadful performance. Russball was not the problem today, just a complete lack of effort or ambition or energy from several of our players. Looked like they had given up before we started. Brooks in particular was absolute shite, which is unusual, KWP wasn't great (again), THB was off the boil. Rothwell was a waste of space, Aribo looked asleep. Downes was doing so much work, but a lot of it wasn't coming off with passes getting cut out. Our passing was sloppy, lethargic. We badly missed Stuey today with his driving runs. Bit harsh on Aribo. I thought he was the one guy that looked `on it' in the first half. He faded in the second mind you. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 14 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: his whole being there, especially playing some demented LB/CM role, upsets the balance of the side. So basically, you are calling for Manning to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 The play offs are nearly 6 weeks away. Today the team looked as if they were still in shock after Monday night when we out played the opposition for an hour but still lost. We have plenty of time to forget that result, build up some confidence and enter the play offs with hope. Today the conditions were dire. Good football was difficult in that wind and both teams were affected. Mind you the football played was still crap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block41 Saint Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 15 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Any system is crap to watch when it’s not working. When teams found a way to play through Ralph’s press, it didn’t work. Jones’ long, direct football didn’t look good against anyone at all. There’s no universally great system, otherwise every team would be playing it every game and never lose. Up to the manager to tweak it but ours doesn't. I'd genuinely sack him if we somehow fluke the play offs because his stubbornness will lead to plenty of thrashings in the PL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, Oldandtired said: Surely once a system breaks down and ceases to get results it has to be tweaked. If your manager cannot/ will not do this then he ceases to be of value as a manager. It's all very well being evangelical about a certain way of playing but results count not the amount of times your team makes a successful sideways 5 yard pass. Our system has worked fine for the vast majority of the season, more often than not the games we’ve dropped points have been the result of individual errors in either penalty box than simply being outplayed. Even at Portman Road we were fantastic for 65 minutes. If we’d finished off a couple of chances like Bednarek’s header and the one where Downes didn’t pass to AA and not left them with acres of space in our box three times, we’d have thumped them. Those are individual problems, not systemic problems. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 In the recent Championship nominations for Season achievements (where we were completely snubbed) Russell Martin should’ve been nominated for Manager of best possessional team who do absolutely Fook all with it he would’ve pissed it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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